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    (Original post by Aeris)
    Hello. Normally I don't answer posts when I feel like they are meant to start debates in the Christian society, but I think a lot of people have this question that you posted. There really isn't a way to ban people from having religion. If we did that, we wouldn't be giving people the freedom to choose. That's the most important right any country can guarantee its citizens.
    But my faith says love and treat others as I would like to be treated.
    i think there's another point you can make as well... people will have fought anyway if there had been no religion. they've been fighting for all sorts of stupid reasons since the dawn of time. (look at cain and abel).
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    (Original post by sitting_duck)
    i think there's another point you can make as well... people will have fought anyway if there had been no religion. they've been fighting for all sorts of stupid reasons since the dawn of time.
    very very true
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    If anyone has to fight physically, it shows they are not believing in God:-
    Romans 12:19: Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, says the Lord.

    Exodus 14:14: The Lord shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace.
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    Another long post, sorry .

    (Original post by bigrico)
    According to the Bible, Noah's Ark was a large barge constructed of wood and sealed with bitumen. Its overall dimensions were at least 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high with three interior decks. A "window" appeared to be constructed around the top (Genesis 6:14-16). Incidentally, the overall size of the Ark makes it the largest seagoing vessel known before the 20th century, and its proportions are amazingly similar to the large ocean liners of today.

    What about this story? surely you believe this is nonsense, I tell you it must have been some size of ship back in times when ships were not much bigger than canoes, to have held two of every animal which in itself is amazing as animals natural instinct when crowded is to attack each other.
    How do you know that people of that time weren't clever enough to do that? The Babylonians, for example, were very well advanced people (I have a friend who like watching history channels on Sky & he told me about some of the things they did (which even people nowadays can't do :eek:), but I've forgotton them now ). Didn't it take Noah about 100 years to make (or so I've heard, I might have to look it up...), which would make sense with their kind of technology? I know some people were a lot less advanced in the very old days, which I believe is to do with the consequences that came because of what Adam & Eve did. But don't forget, there are certain commands that God gave to the Israelites that scientists are only now discovering that they are actually good according to science. For example, the 'unclean' foods are actually foods that are unhealthy. Oh, & the hygeine of the Israelites was probably the best compared to that of the people's around them. But to me the most interesting one is why God asked the Israelites to circumcise a baby boy when it is 8 days old (don't worry, Christians don't have to be circumcised...). Well on the 8th day after a boy is born, that's when there are the most antibodies in his blood, so circumcising on that day means that the least blood would be lost!

    (Original post by bigrico)
    This also raises the question, if as you believe this is true, then why did God save all these animals because throughout they following years Christians have allowed animals to be treated with contempt and cruelty with barely a word spoken from the church.
    How many times do we have to say that no one is perfect, including Christians? Just because Christians do bad stuff, it doesn't mean that God thinks it's ok or that all Christians are like that. If you're asking "why did God allow animals to survive since they were gonna suffer" then that's back to the question "why does God allow suffering", which I think we've already discussed a bit.

    (Original post by bigrico)
    And what did God have to go through exactly? everyone has hard times in their life, some peoples lives are really tragic.
    Yeah I do realise this, but Jesus went through so much more, & He actually chose to do it. Would you choose to go through all He went through? Have you seen 'The Passion'? Well what He went through is worse than that, for example, they can't video how He would be actually feeling. It wasn't just a physical thing (though the physical part was very painful) but as well as being mocked & possibly stripped naked by those He was trying to save, He also was like a scapegoat, carrying on Himself all the sins that everyone had ever committed & being punished for them. I won't go into anymore details at the moment.

    (Original post by bigrico)
    And also because someone does not believe in God/Jesus/Allah/Moses or whoever does not make them ignorant, I believe it means they have thought about it and decided its a load of nonsense such as myself.
    Not everyone. There are a variety of different reasons why people are not Christians; not everyone is like you (though I do realise some people are).

    (Original post by bigrico)
    I went to school in the very early 80's, I had to say a prayer every morning, I had to go to church every week(school, not my parents) and the more I sat and listened to the minister bang on all these stories, I began to think, I opened my eyes and realised I am sitting in a building, bored out my skull and I dont actually believe a word this guys saying, to me it seems its all about the Christian church trying to control my life(the church has far too much power, thank goodness attendances are rapidly dropping in this country), so I got up walked out and never went back, I was only 10 at the time but that was the best thing I have ever done in my life, it was only when I was older that my friends told me that they wish they had been able to do that but their parents would not let them.

    Actually being forced to go church, I wonder how many kids up and down the country have had to go through that?
    Actually, I could say I was 'forced' to go to church by my parents (not that I ever complained). I went to a good church though. I don't know what church you went to, but I find it sad that so many churches around the country are boring & lifeless, 'cause Christianity was never meant to be like that. & it's more sad if the 'Christians' are trying to control people's lives; though people have a right to tell people their opinions but no one should try to force anyone to do anything- after all, even God doesn't do that. I can't say that I ever felt controlled by the church but I know people have tried to control me in other ways throughout my life , so don't blame everything on church.
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    (Original post by sitting_duck)
    i think there's another point you can make as well... people will have fought anyway if there had been no religion. they've been fighting for all sorts of stupid reasons since the dawn of time. (look at cain and abel).
    Lol.. that's what I said a few posts ago. Nobody actually believes religious wars and stuff are about faith. They're about petty feuds that have been going on for years, and land, family disputes and politics. Faith is just a handy excuse. They certainly would have found other excuses just as easily had religion not been there.
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    (Original post by NJA)
    If anyone has to fight physically, it shows they are not believing in God:-
    Romans 12:19: Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, says the Lord.

    Exodus 14:14: The Lord shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace.
    Yeh.. ok, just as long as you don't mean we are in any position or authority to judge people by that. Christians make mistakes and don't always walk in obedience to God. Taking fights into our own hands instead of letting God vindicate us is disobedient and leads to disaster (or we wouldn't be having this debate..lol) but all of us are disobedient sometimes.
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    Well okay, you make your point I make my point, its pretty obvious we will never agree.

    I appreciate your responses as far away from the point as they were, you believe in God/Jesus ect, I dont and never will.

    But hey thats life, i will probably just have to go to hell for being a non believer but thats my choice.

    Well I have learned hee-haw, I still have an intense hatred for all things religous, its just as well Christianity will soon be on its knees in this country so my childrens children wont be forced to say prayers in class.

    Only thing is, the way things are going they might be taught Islam
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    (Original post by bigrico)
    Well okay, you make your point I make my point, its pretty obvious we will never agree.

    I appreciate your responses as far away from the point as they were, you believe in God/Jesus ect, I dont and never will.

    But hey thats life, i will probably just have to go to hell for being a non believer but thats my choice.

    Well I have learned hee-haw, I still have an intense hatred for all things religous, its just as well Christianity will soon be on its knees in this country so my childrens children wont be forced to say prayers in class.

    Only thing is, the way things are going they might be taught Islam
    Lol. The religion you and I both dislike (I think) is exploited as a tool for controlling people, societal order, and for peoples' comfort zones. You won't ever change that, because societies demonstrate certain patterns and principles that will out whether we like it or not. If you took religion away, something else would fill the gap, and it would result in the same side effects and would irritate us just as much. The way of the world..:rolleyes:

    I also have a dislike for religious things. So does God, because they replace him in people's lives, and become systems and moral codes rather than a relationship. I would imagine that you see that.
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    Lol. The religion you and I both dislike (I think) is exploited as a tool for controlling people, societal order, and for peoples' comfort zones. You won't ever change that, because societies demonstrate certain patterns and principles that will out whether we like it or not. If you took religion away, something else would fill the gap, and it would result in the same side effects and would irritate us just as much. The way of the world..

    I also have a dislike for religious things. So does God, because they replace him in people's lives, and become systems and moral codes rather than a relationship. I would imagine that you see that

    i dislike all religion, but I just thought I would see if Chrisitians would be able to give any proper answers to my pertinent questions.

    They still cant, they still cant prove anything so they refer to the bible because they know a non-christian wont have a scooby what they are on about.

    But I have no problem with people believing in whatever religion, my beef is when religion encroaches on my everyday life, thats what annoys me.

    It should be partially banned like smoking is in Scotland, kept behind closed doors so it does not annoy non smokers, why not do that with religion?
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    (Original post by bigrico)
    But I have no problem with people believing in whatever religion, my beef is when religion encroaches on my everyday life, thats what annoys me.

    It should be partially banned like smoking is in Scotland, kept behind closed doors so it does not annoy non smokers, why not do that with religion?
    Wouldn't that infringe on free speach? They can't ban everything that's annoying! Smoking is different; passive smoking can affect people's health, so it was not a good example, lol.
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    Hi people!! I love you guys! :bunny:

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    Bigrico,

    Why don't you pop over to the TSR Religion Forum to ask these questions, and ask those who are there to actually debate, as opposed to bothering a forum where socialising and supporting is the priority, as opposed to religious discussion?

    Alternatively, if you don't want to pop your head above the parapet, why don't you PM me or add me on [email protected], or use the messaging functions through my MySpace site?

    There are people on this forum who I'm sure would like to try and answer your questions - and indeed, I especially would - but this context is not an appropriate one.

    I wouldn't go and start insolent debates on the Ath-Soc, so don't do it here.

    Your choice.

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    This is probably really off topic but hello can I join?
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    I imagine so. Why not go up to the toolbar at the top of the page, click 'socs', find this on the list and click the 'join this soc' option....
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    :dancing2: Just wanted to say hi..tell you all how happy I am..I was baptised last night . Though I've been developing a strong relationship with the Lord..I never ahd the physical baptism..so last night I took the 'plunge' lol, and I feel great. The fire that is with me to serve has grown ten fold..Just pray that I continue on this path.
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    lol, in other words you got soaked for no reason at all,
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    (Original post by Redsapphire2000)
    :dancing2: Just wanted to say hi..tell you all how happy I am..I was baptised last night . Though I've been developing a strong relationship with the Lord..I never ahd the physical baptism..so last night I took the 'plunge' lol, and I feel great. The fire that is with me to serve has grown ten fold..Just pray that I continue on this path.
    That's amazing! I'm sure God will bless you for taking a public stand on your faith and obedience to Christ by being baptised. I remember when I was baptised, about 8 months after I had come to faith, it was really great.

    Hang in there, and take time to read the Bible and pray every day. It should help you grow in your faith and become more like Jesus Christ.
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    (Original post by Redsapphire2000)
    :dancing2: Just wanted to say hi..tell you all how happy I am..I was baptised last night . Though I've been developing a strong relationship with the Lord..I never ahd the physical baptism..so last night I took the 'plunge' lol, and I feel great. The fire that is with me to serve has grown ten fold..Just pray that I continue on this path.
    That's fantastic, great to hear it! I'll be praying for you!
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