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rainbowbex
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(Original post by flowermaster91)
can't wait to go back :woo:

but im not looking forward to the travelling tbh :erm:
back to where :moon:

and hello :hi:
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quite the stalker aren't you :hmmm: :mad:
not at all, he's awesome in D&D, and just so happened to appear earlier :ninja: just like you :ninja:
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(Original post by Magnum Opus)
I had? It was probably cake you linked in the box wasn't it. I have issues :emo: fudge is amazing :coma: yet so few people like it...
I may now love you in more than a Christian way...

I must confess that I know very little about them :p: how much are tickets usually? and how many people go, do they camp, etc etc I could probably ask my housemate, but he has a womanly friend over :ninja:
For students £66 weekend tic (includes camping + car parking)

I don't know how many people go, thousands I'd assume. Some people come just for the day, or people camp or stay in a hotel all weekend.. or commute, I commuted last year. it was foul. I love it though awesome atmosphere

:rolleyes:
It's a genuine worry.. what if I don't look as cool as the other christian kids? uppy eyes:
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(Original post by rainbowbex)
back to where :moon:

and hello :hi:
back to uni :moon:

and wassup
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(Original post by Magnum Opus)
not at all, he's awesome in D&D, and just so happened to appear earlier :ninja: just like you :ninja:
:p: I've seen skyhigh btw.
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:p: I've seen skyhigh btw.
really? :ninja: how? :ninja:
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(Original post by flowermaster91)
back to uni :moon:

and wassup
Where's uni at? somewhere cool? :moon:

I have six weeks before term starts. True story that.

Not much. Good day?
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(Original post by flowermaster91)
can't wait to go back :woo:

but im not looking forward to the travelling tbh :erm:
How far do you have to go? :confused:
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(Original post by Magnum Opus)
really? :ninja: how? :ninja:
I swear its a film?
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(Original post by rainbowbex)
I swear its a film?
oh!! :rofl: not quite... :p:
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(Original post by rainbowbex)
Where's uni at? somewhere cool? :moon:

I have six weeks before term starts. True story that.

Not much. Good day?
roehampton, south west london but it looks a bit outside london because it's like a country sidey area sort of :ahee:

i got 6 weeks too bruv :five: story of our lives :cool:

went cinemas with my bf, the movie wasn't all that but it was kool wonderig around london :moon: how about you?
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How far do you have to go? :confused:
travelling from north west london to south west london isn't fun :no:

i shouldve lived on campus i know :facepalm2:
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oh!! :rofl: not quite... :p:
It's a a film too
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(Original post by flowermaster91)
travelling from north west london to south west london isn't fun :no:

i shouldve lived on campus i know :facepalm2:
:sadnod:
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(Original post by flowermaster91)
roehampton, south west london but it looks a bit outside london because it's like a country sidey area sort of :ahee:

i got 6 weeks too bruv :five: story of our lives :cool:

went cinemas with my bf, the movie wasn't all that but it was kool wonderig around london :moon: how about you?
Sounds sweet I've never actually really been to London. I've been to the west end to see a show, but that is it! (bar travelling through) Went on the underground for the first time at easter

Sounds like a fun day. I've umm been stressed and tried to organise packing. **** trains btw. lol
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Sounds sweet I've never actually really been to London. I've been to the west end to see a show, but that is it! (bar travelling through) Went on the underground for the first time at easter

Sounds like a fun day. I've umm been stressed and tried to organise packing. **** trains btw. lol
awww :hugs: i prefer the buses though :teehee:

it was , kool what you packing for?
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Okay, first to all involved in this I'm going to throw out that I'm the offspring of a CofE minister, whose Godfather is a Methodist minister, who has attended over the last 11 years a wide variety of churches from most stripes of Christianity. One of my specialist areas as a historian is medieval Christian theology. First off I'm going to hit the things in UCCF's doctrinal basis which I, personally, take issue with.
The UCCF doctrinal basis states 'The Bible, as originally given, is the inspired and infallible Word of God.'
My first problem is with the caveat 'as originally given'. This effectively means in Aramaic, Hebrew and Koine Greek. For example let's take one of the big problems this creates. I'm not going to get into disagreements about the literal interpretation of Genesis but most of us are aware of the divisions commonly shown in the media because 'Science' (note the inverted commas) and 'Creationism'. Of course there are the issues of dinosaurs which people bring up - see numerous threads / discussions online along the lines of 'Do Christians believe in dinosaurs?'. This problem in some ways is generated by an issue in translation. We look at the seven days of creation and we read 'day' - the hebrew word 'yom'. However the Hebrew word 'yom' does not mean a 24 hour day - it has numerous possible means the general one meaning 'age' or 'period of time'. Thus Genesis in Hebrew can be described as talking about 7 'ages' of creation. A more, for want of a better word 'colloquial' way of saying the same thing is that 'days' in God's way of looking at time are longer than those for homo sapiens. So in that sense looking at the 'originally given' text sheds light on a lot of misunderstandings. However the skills to examine this aren't exactly widespread. Looking at scripture we can see that God reveals people of every 'tongue' at his throne speaking to him, presumably in their own languages. To say that we should only look at it 'As originally given' would be to limit a great many people who don't have the knowledge or skills to do so, and could be said to set other people between them and God (be they translators or teachers) - to me this creates a barrier between God and man, which is exactly the kind of thing Jesus spoke out against. To go on to describe the Bible as the ultimate authority on all areas of belief is also to me somewhat questionable. It ties into the question of 'as originally given' - the text we look at each day, hear read on Sundays etc is a composite of surviving manuscripts which have been included over time - the original 'autographs' are not existent or if they are they have not been uncovered. I am not saying that scripture is not God breathed or not the ultimate authority, but I think that, for want of a better phrase it's only half the story. To quote Galileo - "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - we must look both at scripture and at our own hearts. To my own mind, we were created by God, and even in our fallen state we still bear his fingerprints. His divine presence is written into our very DNA. Our experiences and our understanding are also part of our faith. I will try to find the text of a sermon by Charles Price on a similar subject where he compared the Bible to manual for a Toyota car - you can know everything about the manual, have it memorized in the original Japanese, but if you don't drive the car, you're missing the point of the book. I have to further admit to having come across a fair streak of what I've heard called 'Bible-doltry', where people come to hold the book as more important even than God. Issues of the Biblical canon are quite a closed book (pardon the pun) to a lot of Christians, and I've found a lot of people in defending articles of faith - including UCCF's doctrinal basis - try to blind people's genuine curiosity and parry their doubts by using complex terms and language - including these kind of statements. In formulating the canon of the Bible choices were made by clerics and scholars over what should be included and what shouldn't and its possible to suggest (I am not saying this is the case) that human errors were involved in this process. One example is the Book of Daniel - the version in the canon is the shortest version, and there was, according to historical records, a lot of argument about its inclusion. In the end it was decided that if it had to be included, because it was such a well known story, they should include the shortest version. This has been suggested as one reason for the 'chop and change' style of the book which goes from third person annular history to first person testimony. I'm not saying the Bible isn't important, but we need to be aware it isn't the be all and end all of historical record or of divine revelation - the Gospel of John itself suggests this where it states that if everything that Jesus did was written down it would fill all the books in all the world. We should also perhaps remember something quite significant from the life of Jesus himself - when the Devil tempts him, he uses scripture to do so. We have to read things in context.

My next point is on the whole 'non-Christians going to heaven' question. This is caught up in two distinct issues. The first is to do with judgement. There are lots of interpretations of this from the 'Jesus died for everyone, therefore everyone will go to heaven', to 'only those who truly believe in Jesus will be saved' to 'only those who truly believe, and have passed through purgatory will be saved'. The key thing I would say here is that WE are not the ones who decide on this. It is not our place in the world to say who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. That is God's place - (vengeance is mine, et cetera) - and to say "people who do this will go to hell" is to judge them, to usurp God's place in the order of the world. There are obvious questions about who will get to heaven - are those who died before the coming of Christ condemned because they weren't Christians - including the Old Testament prophets? Maybe this is a simplistic view but I think it highlights that we cannot be 'certain' over this. This leads in one way to my next point - it's a matter of faith. Doubt is not the enemy of faith, uncertainty is not the enemy of faith - it is certainty which is the enemy of faith. We can't say who will or won't be in heaven, it's not our place. I think this point is more ably illustrated by C.S. Lewis - in the Last Battle we have Emeth - who has followed the religion of Tash his entire life, yet who is found in Aslan's Country and to whom Aslan's says - "I and [Tash] are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him.". The point effectively being anyone who does evil in the name of Christ serves Satan, and anyone who does good in the name of Satan serves Christ, even though he does not know it. God moves in mysterious ways - to me that's one of the most beautiful things about it all.
I hope is has helped and hasn't confused - and sorry for such a long post!
This is a really good post
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with respect to Holy Trinity platt, what do you mean by "too traditional"? Just curious
I said too traditional for me. Traditional churches are not really my thing; I do like some hymns but I like modern worship songs too. I find worship at traditional churches seems very structured but I prefer the worship to be more 'free'.
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I said too traditional for me. Traditional churches are not really my thing; I do like some hymns but I like modern worship songs too. I find worship at traditional churches seems very structured but I prefer the worship to be more 'free'.
Fair enough, I wasn't getting at you, rather I was curious about what the service actually involves at that church :p:
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I want to ask a couple of questions actually, if I may :ninja:
- What does the Holy Spirit mean to you?
- What does the Eucharist mean for you?
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