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Reply 100

Da Bachtopus
Recursion.

This will work provided nobody deletes posts :wink:

That link refers to the previous post, that's why. It's the p= bit that will show you the post.

Recursion

EDIT: Surprising you are having such difficulty when TSR has circular references in the forum links all over the place e.g. the never-ending subforums of About > Dev & Bugs > About > Dev & Bugs > ....

Reply 101

Morbo
EDIT: Surprising you are having such difficulty when TSR has circular references in the forum links all over the place e.g. the never-ending subforums of About > Dev & Bugs > About > Dev & Bugs > ....


I hardly ever look anywhere apart from about 8 forums.

Interesting that you can use postcount= to arbitrarily renumber things.

edit: unsurprisingly 2147483647 is the highest possible.

Reply 102

Da Bachtopus
I hardly ever look anywhere apart from about 8 forums.

Interesting that you can use postcount= to arbitrarily renumber things.

edit: unsurprisingly 2147483647 is the highest possible.

Lol, I hadn't spotted that. 231 - 1 ?

Reply 103

Morbo
Lol, I hadn't spotted that. 231 - 1 ?


Yea. Hiscore!

Reply 104

Morbo
Soc is under the influence of extremists, trufax. Stop going to that mosque tbh.

Damn my cover has been blown :ninja2:

Jangrafess
Soc just wants to exclaim that he's in Sparta at some appropriate moment. When he's done that he'll shave it.

:shh:

Reply 105

Socrates

Spoiler



Ok, so it isn't really long, but I'm working on it.


Thats a bit different!

Are you trying to have it longer or just too lazy/busy to get it cut?

Reply 106

Is it possible to go into too much detail in a proposal? I am structuring mine so that each section has a paragraph-long summary at the start, then 2-3 paragraphs of (heavily edited) explanation. I kind of feel the reader in need of just the outline argument can read the first paragraph, then skip the rest if they don't want to hear about it. But on the other hand, I feel everything would be significantly weaker if I didn't attempt an exposé of (i) the philosophical ideas I invoke and (ii) their concrete relation to the literary texts I'm discussing.

I feel kind of stuck, since my mode seems to be oscillating between "proposal" and "essay", even though the "essay" part is being significantly cut down and rewritten.

They say 7-10 pages will in fact be OK, and that they asked for 5 as a way to avoid getting crappy 2 page things... but I am wondering if going into too much detail perhaps suggests I already know too much and don't actually need to go do research??

Reply 107

Goodness me, has GOG2 closed already!?

Hello GOG3s

Anyone seen Ilex around? If she is reading this, can you post here please:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=781687

Ta! :smile:

Reply 108

Da Bachtopus
Is it possible to go into too much detail in a proposal? I am structuring mine so that each section has a paragraph-long summary at the start, then 2-3 paragraphs of (heavily edited) explanation. I kind of feel the reader in need of just the outline argument can read the first paragraph, then skip the rest if they don't want to hear about it. But on the other hand, I feel everything would be significantly weaker if I didn't attempt an exposé of (i) the philosophical ideas I invoke and (ii) their concrete relation to the literary texts I'm discussing.

I feel kind of stuck, since my mode seems to be oscillating between "proposal" and "essay", even though the "essay" part is being significantly cut down and rewritten.

They say 7-10 pages will in fact be OK, and that they asked for 5 as a way to avoid getting crappy 2 page things... but I am wondering if going into too much detail perhaps suggests I already know too much and don't actually need to go do research??

Well, would it be a problem to express that in the first paragraph?

Also, wouldn't they be reassured by detail, as it shows that this a subject to which you are very committed and that the research will be decent because you have a good background in it?

Reply 109

IlexAquifolium
Yeah, Soc's no Jerry Cantrell.


Gotcha!

Actually, I seem to recall that you are going away, so you may not get this for a week. Hope you are having/will have/have had a good time with Mr Ilex!

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=781687

Reply 110

Becca
Well, would it be a problem to express that in the first paragraph?

Also, wouldn't they be reassured by detail, as it shows that this a subject to which you are very committed and that the research will be decent because you have a good background in it?


You see, I had some conflicting advice about this in Cambridge. One dissertation supervisor got me into the habit of rigorously setting out everything I'm going to do with lots of advanced organizers, &c -- and I still stick to this. But then another got pissed off with me and said, "Why are you telling me you'll be making the argument in a page's time when you could be making it here and now?!" I think it's about discretion... and the way it's going right now I am bordering on "STOP REPEATING YOURSELF I GET IT BUT AT LEAST YOU ARE VERY CLEAR" territory. Which I think is safer.

Hmm... The problem is that saying "I offer summary then detail, summary then detail" is the inelegance of it. And the fact that it's kind of obvious. I think the obviousness won't be a problem though :smile:

My problem, detail wise, is that my entire project has for its basis a very specific problem stemming from the style of W G Sebald and his relation to ethics, which I initially engage via a branch of deconstructive criticism that conceives of "unreadability" in terms of Levinas' ethics (Critchley et al.). So, I have to 1) give a reasonable account of Sebald's style; 2) give a reasonable account of a fairly-evolved conceptual framework; 3) show how the two overlap.

Only then can I really posit my problem (ie. how we need to go beyond this). The thing is, without explaining a reasonable amount about both Levinas and Sebald, my project will be opaque to anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about already. And Levinas is quite difficult to explain succinctly without sounding like a ***********...

I think I will just write it as I have so far, and maybe trim details later on. When I get to actually writing the real "project" part of it, I think I will have considerably more to speculate about and less to have to explain.

Reply 111

I'm going nowhere till august :p: anyway I will take a proper look once I get back, as I am currently stuck at a station with lots of cancelled trains!

Reply 112

^^ oh yes, re: background. I think this is promising, as it shows I've done my work and know what I'm talking about. But I also am supposed ot be doing this project in GERMANY, so I don't want to be ramlbing on and on about French philosophers, and really need to highlight later why it's important to engage with the German tradition as well. (Which is I suppose my project... how to give a syncretic account of Sebald's ethics that comprehends both the Levinasian nature of their communication/experience and the Benjaminian/Adornian materialism, and concomitant historicism, which underlies about everything he writes.)

Reply 113

IlexAquifolium
I'm going nowhere till august :p: anyway I will take a proper look once I get back, as I am currently stuck at a station with lots of cancelled trains!


Oh OK, thanks! Have fun with trains. Somehow.

Reply 114

The Boosh
Oh OK, thanks! Have fun with trains. Somehow.



Well, it is very cold, which rather precludes most opportunities for fun (not that the two hot-pants teenagers next to me seem to have noticed. Are they insane?). However I do have a bag full of mini eggs and lemon 'n' scampi nik naks so if all else fails I shall eat them to conserve body heat. Yes.

Reply 115

Da Bachtopus
^^ oh yes, re: background. I think this is promising, as it shows I've done my work and know what I'm talking about. But I also am supposed ot be doing this project in GERMANY, so I don't want to be ramlbing on and on about French philosophers, and really need to highlight later why it's important to engage with the German tradition as well. (Which is I suppose my project... how to give a syncretic account of Sebald's ethics that comprehends both the Levinasian nature of their communication/experience and the Benjaminian/Adornian materialism, and concomitant historicism, which underlies about everything he writes.)

Do you know the person/people who will be reading your proposal? It might help you structure if you could find out something about them and fit it more to their style?

And I think detail is good (personally, anyway) because it *should* make everything easier to organise when you start the project.

Reply 116

Becca
Do you know the person/people who will be reading your proposal? It might help you structure if you could find out something about them and fit it more to their style?

And I think detail is good (personally, anyway) because it *should* make everything easier to organise when you start the project.


No. Some "experts" that the DAAD assemble to judge the pertinence of my resarch and the necessity of going to Germany. I expect this means some committee of DAAD members + random academics, and can't guarantee they will really know what I'm getting at in this first part.

I have thus stuck a footnote on saying that parts 1 and 2 are long and detailed as an exposition of the problem, but that parts 3 and 4 will really explore the problem I've got to go and research.

TBH, I think more detail is always going to be better than less. I reckon it'll be ok, it's just taking waaaaay longer to write than I anticipated.

Reply 117

Da Bachtopus
No. Some "experts" that the DAAD assemble to judge the pertinence of my resarch and the necessity of going to Germany. I expect this means some committee of DAAD members + random academics, and can't guarantee they will really know what I'm getting at in this first part.

I have thus stuck a footnote on saying that parts 1 and 2 are long and detailed as an exposition of the problem, but that parts 3 and 4 will really explore the problem I've got to go and research.

TBH, I think more detail is always going to be better than less. I reckon it'll be ok, it's just taking waaaaay longer to write than I anticipated.

Hmm, that's annoying. Still, I like the footnote idea. Footnotes look hot.

Reply 118

IlexAquifolium
Well, it is very cold, which rather precludes most opportunities for fun (not that the two hot-pants teenagers next to me seem to have noticed. Are they insane?). However I do have a bag full of mini eggs and lemon 'n' scampi nik naks so if all else fails I shall eat them to conserve body heat. Yes.


Oh my!!! Cream Eggs, Niknaks AND hotpants!!! Gotta admit, hanging around the train station sounds like a good Saturday activity...

Reply 119

Becca
Hmm, that's annoying. Still, I like the footnote idea. Footnotes look hot.


Yea, I think footnotes will save me on this account...

Must finish Part 2.... I think I then need a break from the intellectual side of it, so will do the "pleading" part.

God I am fed up with it though!

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