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My concern is that his advice is not sanctioned by the Ministry of Defence - that is not unreasonable given that he is handing it out unofficially in an official capacity.

It might be a good idea to get the opinion of the Ministry and whether they would 'pat him on the back'.

The reason for my assumption about the potential recruits being young is that the members of this website are young, given it is intended for students! :rolleyes:
LOL He doesn't give advice unless asked and anything he tells us we can find out at a local AFCO, its just some people are too lazy or dense to go along and find out for themselves. Nothing I have learned from any of the RAF people on this forum is nothing that I couldn't have found out for myself. I was at a base recently and saw some very interesting things that I wasn't supposed to. Quick call the MoD! :rolleyes:

And as for this being a student forum for students, the RAF thread can be found by doing a google serach for the RAF which is how I found it. Most of the people who are on that thread have no interest in the rest of the forum and a lot of them aren't even students.

Why do you assume Wzz is the only one giving advice? Maybe you should read what you are accusing people of before you open your mouth.
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(Original post by BlackHawk)
Maybe you should read what you are accusing people of before you open your mouth.
There really is no need to be so aggressive.

What am I accusing anybody of? I said I queried whether Wzz's advice had been sactioned by the Ministry of Defence. I was unaware that defence of the realm was a matter of such casual opportunism. :rolleyes:

Now what is this thread about? Oh yes - Italian hostage.
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(Original post by yawn)
My concern is that his advice is not sanctioned by the Ministry of Defence - that is not unreasonable given that he is handing it out unofficially in an official capacity.

It might be a good idea to get the opinion of the Ministry and whether they would 'pat him on the back'.

The reason for my assumption about the potential recruits being young is that the members of this website are young, given it is intended for students! :rolleyes:

Why would he need authorisation from the MoD to give his opinion? :confused: He's always been clear that the advice he's given is based on opinion, and has never said he's acting in an official capacity as a RAF fast jet pilot. And of course it's given unofficially;he doesn't need official approval to give it!! :rolleyes:

So, to extend that logic, does that mean the doctors posting on this thread should have permission from the DoH before they can offer their opinion to the wannabe medics on here? Or that police officers should ask the Home Office if it's o.k to tell people about recruitment and selection processes for joining the police? After all, they work in public services too. In fact, lets extend the logic to every public service worker on here.....please!! :rolleyes:

And once again you make an assumption that the people he's advising are young (as well as male!!), without knowing that a good number of them were directed here from internet searches looking for advise re RAF recruitment;not to join a student forum. His advise is on a specialist area aimed at such people, not the general student population on TSR. And just in case you weren't aware, the RAF recruit people up until the age of 55 for some branches, therefore, as has already been said, many of the people he advises or expresses his opinion to are older than him.

However, a sizeable number of students on here are at university, and looking for careers advice across a wide range of areas (that's why we have a careers forum ) , so they're hardly young in the sense that you imply. And why shouldn't young people be looking for careers advise about the RAF?!

Have a read through the thread in question (all 178 pages of it), and then find the MoD directive that says military personnel are forbidden to offer advice, or give opinions, without their express permission? Come back to us when you can talk about the subject based on something other than assumptions. :rolleyes:
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Now what is this thread about? Oh yes - Italian hostage.
Has it taken the whole of this thread, and your replies on it, for you to realise that
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Has it taken the whole of this thread, and your replies on it, for you to realise that
I could say the same about you!

But I am too well-mannered to say that, so I won't.
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I could say the same about you!

But I am too well-mannered to say that, so I won't.

It's a pity you didn't realise what the thread was about way, way back on page 8 of the discussion, when you were the instigator of dragging it off topic, by flinging insults and accusations around extremities of political spectrums.

I, however, didn't drag the thread off topic;I merely responded to your post by questioning the offensive implications of it to someone who is a very good friend, and asking you to defend the assumptions you had made. If you wish to make such off-topic remarks, then it's only reasonable for people to respond and point out the inaccuracies of your assumptions. Perhaps you'd do well to remember that in your next discussion, and look a bit closer to home before accusing others of taking the thread down a different path! :rolleyes:
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(Original post by Nikki J S)
It's a pity you didn't realise what the thread was about way, way back on page 8 of the discussion, when you were the instigator of dragging it off topic, by flinging insults and accusations around extremities of political spectrums.

I, however, didn't drag the thread off topic;I merely responded to your post by questioning the offensive implications of it to someone who is a very good friend, and asking you to defend the assumptions you had made. If you wish to make such off-topic remarks, then it's only reasonable for people to respond and point out the inaccuracies of your assumptions. Perhaps you'd do well to remember that in your next discussion, and look a bit closer to home before accusing others of taking the thread down a different path! :rolleyes:
You are new to D&D so I will allow your attack on me to be put down to lack of knowledge of the D&D protocol and procedures - much of it is light-hearted banter between members who know each other as well as one can on an internet forum

If you were well acquainted with the D&D section you would see that what you perceive as 'flinging insults and accusations' happens all the time. And is taken as lightly as it is intended.

If you are going to pursue a career in medicine (and I hope you are successful despite your unwarranted attacks on me) you must develop a thicker skin than the one you appear to inhabit presently.
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QUOTE=yawn] much of it is light-hearted banter between members who know each other as well as one can on an internet forum

If you were well acquainted with the D&D section you would see that what you perceive as 'flinging insults and accusations' happens all the time. And is taken as lightly as it is intended.

So, by that you are saying the "flinging insults and accusations" is o.k, because it happens on here all the time, and is taken lightheartedly between people who know each other well?

However, you were happy to make such comments to someone you don't know well, and when they respond in a similar manner, you accuse them of an unwarranted attack.

If you are going to pursue a career in medicine (and I hope you are successful despite your unwarranted attacks on me) you must develop a thicker skin than the one you appear to inhabit presently.

So my attack was unwarranted, but your's wasn't? And again, you make personal remarks to someone you don't know, and are suprised when people respond to them. :rolleyes: And why my comments to you in defending a friend, have any bearing on my ability to be a doctor is just another example of your own "unwaranted "attacks". But by reading through this thread, I can see this a common approach in the way you debate. You are very selective in the points answered, and instead, prefer to move on to personal slurs.As I said earlier, if you don't want people to respond to off the topic remarks, don't make them!!
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So, by that you are saying the "flinging insults and accusations" is o.k, because it happens on here all the time, and is taken lightheartedly between people who know each other well?

However, you were happy to make such comments to someone you don't know well, and when they respond in a similar manner, you accuse them of an unwarranted attack.




So my attack was unwarranted, but your's wasn't? And again, you make personal remarks to someone you don't know, and are suprised when people respond to them. :rolleyes: And why my comments to you in defending a friend, have any bearing on my ability to be a doctor is just another example of your own "unwaranted "attacks". As I said earlier, if you don't want people to respond to off the topic remarks, don't make them!!
You really are tenacious in having the last word!

Vienna has a rival, methinks. :rolleyes:
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Vienna has a rival, methinks. :rolleyes:

I would doubt that very much
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Rome - US authorities in Iraq were kept in the dark about an Italian operation to free a kidnapped journalist which ended in debacle with an intelligence officer killed by US troops, an Italian general was quoted on Saturday as saying.

Italian agent Nicola Calipari died in gunfire near a US checkpoint and journalist Giuliana Sgrena was wounded as their car drove to Baghdad airport on March 4, just after her release.

Mario Marioli, a deputy commander of the US-led coalition troops in Iraq, was quoted by the Italian newspaper La Repubblica as saying: "I asked Calipari if I should inform our American allies of the hostage-freeing operation, but his reply was that under no circumstances was the ally to be informed."
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could you please quote your sources, and please could you prove to me this seargant wasnt lying, and the italian special agents, including the reporter are.

thanks
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http://news.independent.co.uk/europe...p?story=619537
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mmm, there are dozens of papers that have reported this way.
Vienna has made a lovely declaration base don one piece of reporting.
I've said it before, and ill say it again, don't bother making declratations, and going out on a limb ins upport of the US or Italy until the full story is known.
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mmm, there are dozens of papers that have reported this way.
Vienna has made a lovely declaration base don one piece of reporting.
I've said it before, and ill say it again, don't bother making declratations, and going out on a limb ins upport of the US or Italy until the full story is known.
Wise advice foolfarian - but advice that might fall on deaf ears of many of our posters.

Speculation is too tempting.
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Giuliana Sgrena is a journalist for a communist newspaper, isn't she? I'm very skeptical of anything she says about the US or American troops. She is probably very anti-American, which is to be expected if she is a communist. We are arguably the most right wing country in the world and are the epitome of everything she despises politically.
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Giuliana Sgrena is a journalist for a communist newspaper, isn't she? I'm very skeptical of anything she says about the US or American troops. She is probably very anti-American, which is to be expected if she is a communist.
That's why the evil Americans murdered her. :rolleyes:
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That's why the evil Americans murdered her. :rolleyes:
normally when you murder someone you actually kill them....:rolleyes::p:
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Vienna has made a lovely declaration base don one piece of reporting.
I asked you before and ill ask again, which declaration is this?
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could you please quote your sources, and please could you prove to me this seargant wasnt lying, and the italian special agents, including the reporter are.

thanks
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/I...675476,00.html
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