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Get a transfer to F3 (me hides!) and try move to Leuchars then its right next to St andrews and Dundee is just 10 minutes away
Edinburgh is just an hour in the other direction, exit the main gate, turn right and head towards the train station
Leuchars is a great location, I'll give you that.
But Dundee...or Vegas.
Dundee......Vegas!
You decide!
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That's true, but now we just need to move them to centres of civilisation!

what happened to RAF Manchester? Or RAF Slap-in-the-Middle of Leeds?!!

Sounds like a good idea to me! Partly what's making my decisions about which uni to go to so difficult;I don't want to be stuck on a UAS in the middle of nowhere!

Guess, it'd be even worse to be stuck on a UAS that was really quiet in the middle of nowhere! :eek:
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Leuchars is a great location, I'll give you that.
But Dundee...or Vegas.
Dundee......Vegas!
You decide!
Ok, unfair comparison really, although Dundee does have a Casino right on the shorehead but its more the comparison of civilisation to that of bog fields down in other area's in the country
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Ok, unfair comparison really, although Dundee does have a Casino right on the shorehead but its more the comparison of civilisation to that of bog fields down in other area's in the country
Mate, you're preaching to the converted, I had a great time on the UAS there!
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Mate, you're preaching to the converted, I had a great time on the UAS there!
Oh, but I thought you wanted to go to Vagas!
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It's CAS, Chief of the Air Staff. And he doesn't control the budget like this, actually, it's all done internally through the MoD.
Quite correct (spelling off hand). But you will be aware that like most business' the MoD do not make the decisions to cut projects. They say to the services, "come up with reccomendations. True, the uniforms do not like it, but that is what they are paid to do. They have to weigh up the pros and cons and out of which they make a list of prefereable options. What i was saying was the ATC was "proposed" but CAS knocked it back.


(Original post by Wzz)
Do remember the MoD's happy to put in place cuts and restrictions that put the lives of servicemen at risk sometimes. The type of kids who tend to be cadets are not the type who would otherwise turn to crime! I'd happily have 119 000 on the streets and have the money in the defence budget closer to the front line.
How do you know this? (the crime bit). We get kids who are on the borderline sometimes. 13 years old. started hanging out with a bad crowd. Trouble at school. parents think, get them interested, and sometimes they do get hooked, other times they don't and they leave. Can't win 'em all. Don't forget why the cdts was formed!


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... Grobs that belong to HQ PTC's budget; not the ATC!
Again, quite correct. But PTC refunded money saved from fuel etc. to the ATC for them to be able to procure 90% more Flying Scholarships last year.


(Original post by Wzz)
The Defence Airfield Review is an excellent idea; instead of being moved through my career between 40 small, underfunded, undersupported airfields, I'll be moving between 15 excellent, large, well equipped ones.
Not disagreeing here. Just unfortunate for some younger people who have become settled. But i'm sure the natural turnover and churn will sort this out.

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And you do realise AEFs are flights within UASs, right? The UASs; if they survive current reviews and work strands in their current form; will move to where they're required, and AEFs will follow or fold.
Last briefing note i saw said around 4 might move, and one is going to close. Apparently, more Gliding Schools are under threat. It was suggested that we work privately with Flying Schools, but is seems that their standards do not match ours (??, plus the insurance would be a nightmare.


(Original post by Wzz)
What branches and trades does the RAF currently have a recruiting problem with, and how many cadets join those? What percentage of cadets actually join the RAF?
Branches/Trades not a problem (except regiment, but i wouldn't class that as a problem a the moment) Ex/Current Cadets becoming officers/NCOs = ~68%, Ex/Current Cadets becoming airmen/women = 48%

(Original post by Wzz)
It's a little crass to spuriously say that the RAF would need to spend more on marketing than it does on an entire cadet organisation if it were to fold. Who gave you those figures?
Those figures were part of a presentation to staff i attended when i gained my commission 4 yrs ago. Don't ask me for the name of the presenter, but i seem to recall she was a Sqn Ldr (could have been a Wg Cdr). Of course, since it was 3/4 years ago, things might be different now since the focus on recruitment has changed. Have you any idea how much money is spent on marketing for the RAF each year? (including the presentation teams work) and how much is spent by the ATC? The current Adult Recruitment campaign for the ATC is cosing £650k, where the Army Cadets have secured £1.5m for theirs (currently running this month)

Don't get me wrong, i don't want to start an argument. Especially since this is way off topic. But please do not blow my comments out of the water. I am a little closer to policy making than you think i am. I may not have all the answers to hand, or all the facts, but i have been doing this job for 13 years now.

Feel free to PM if you think it will benefit further conversation - but thank you for raising your points.

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Feel free to PM if you think it will benefit further conversation - but thank you for raising your points.C
He can't get on the site atm
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It's only when you read stufff like this, that it really brings home to you the risks involved in the service we're all so keen to join, with some jobs carrying much more risk than others!!
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Again, quite correct. But PTC refunded money saved from fuel etc. to the ATC for them to be able to procure 90% more Flying Scholarships last year.
Hmm. Bit dubious about this too. I don't know quite jow much fuel a tutor guzzles per flight, but I remember a bulldog held 32 gallons, and we used about half of that each flight. Do the sums (inc the specific gravity of avgas!) and that comes to about 57 kgs. One tucano flight will burn between 200 and 400 kgs, depending on the sortie. One hawk flight will burn about 1350 kgs! So that's roughly 23 tutor flights in every single hawk flight!
All these aircraft share the PTC budget, and I'm sure a considerable amount of money was saved by the grounding of the Grobs, but if one week of hawk flying is canned due to weather, you save 2300 grob's worth of flights in petrol!!
I would like to know how you know that 90% more scholarships were funded directly due to the money saved from the Grob's grounding, and does that mean that every week grounded at valley provides money for more scholarships?

(Original post by cwarranto)
Branches/Trades not a problem (except regiment, but i wouldn't class that as a problem a the moment) Ex/Current Cadets becoming officers/NCOs = ~68%, Ex/Current Cadets becoming airmen/women = 48%
I think Wzz meant what proportion of all cadets end up joining the RAF, not what number of RAF personnel were once Air Cadets.
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It's only when you read stuff like this, that it really brings home to you the risks involved in the service we're all so keen to join, with some jobs carrying much more risk than others!!
Yeah, I know. It really is essential that every person who wants in is aware that everything about the military is geared towards death. We try to minimise ours and maximise their military casualty, whether we are talking about lives or structures. Remember that even you, as a doc, are trying to make sure that our side can go on to fight another day!
Whilst the loss of life is tragic, it is something most of us must come to terms with in the military. I know a few lucky escapees now, and I knew some not so lucky people but we all know the risks, and I for one, wouldn't be doing anything else at the moment.
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Yeah, I know. It really is essential that every person who wants in is aware that everything about the military is geared towards death. We try to minimise ours and maximise their military casualty, whether we are talking about lives or structures. Remember that even you, as a doc, are trying to make sure that our side can go on to fight another day!
Whilst the loss of life is tragic, it is something most of us must come to terms with in the military. I know a few lucky escapees now, and I knew some not so lucky people but we all know the risks, and I for one, wouldn't be doing anything else at the moment.

And when asked the dreaded question
'As a doc your primary purpose is to preserve life, how do you feel about being in an organisation that may have to take lives'?

I don't have a simple answer
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Whilst the loss of life is tragic, it is something most of us must come to terms with in the military. I know a few lucky escapees now, and I knew some not so lucky people but we all know the risks, and I for one, wouldn't be doing anything else at the moment.

How would you answer the question about knowing you're a target and having to take lives?
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And when asked the dreaded question
'As a doc your primary purpose is to preserve life, how do you feel about being in an organisation that may have to take lives'?

I don't have a simple answer
To this, I would reemphasise that you want to do something for your country, and put our military in a stronger position to fight the enemy. You will be saving life no matter what, and if you were to treat a PoW, I'm sure you would be as fastidious in your duty whatever patient is put in your care. The killing would happen anyway, whether or not you were there to help the wounded.
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How would you answer the question about knowing you're a target and having to take lives?
I don't quite know what you're asking here? I'm a target, yes. That's why I train to increase my survivability in every which way I can.
Taking lives...case by case basis. I consider myself as having near the same morals as the big decision-makers, and if it led to taking lives, I could justify that. If in the future however, I think our plight is unjust and I strongly disagree with the way things are going politically, I would leave (after all, nobody can force you in to something you morally object to). However, this won't happen!
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I don't quite know what you're asking here? I'm a target, yes. That's why I train to increase my survivability in every which way I can.
Yeah, I wasn't very clear really. I meant the question - how do you feel knowing once you join a military oprganisation/put on the uniform you're a a potential target?. I suppose I was thinking about the psychological pressure military personnel must be constantly under, not just for themselves, but for their families too. I'm just trying to work out why there's such a high incidence of depressive type illness in military organisations.

(Original post by dirts)
Taking lives...case by case basis. I consider myself as having near the same morals as the big decision-makers, and if it led to taking lives, I could justify that. If in the future however, I think our plight is unjust and I strongly disagree with the way things are going politically, I would leave (after all, nobody can force you in to something you morally object to). However, this won't happen!
Sorry for asking that! It's a very individual and personal question, and I was just being nosey really.

Anyway, I'm going to have to change the subject because this stuff is really getting me down!! Think I'll have to go to GC for a bit!!
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I suppose I was thinking about the psychological pressure military personnel must be constantly under, not just for themselves, but for their families too. I'm just trying to work out why there's such a high incidence of depressive type illness in military organisations.
Well, it's tough, but we cope!! :rolleyes: :p:
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Well, it's tough, but we cope!! :rolleyes: :p:
Tougher for some than others Having spent a good few weeks on bases at camps and on work exp, I've seen just how hard you guys have got it;especailly aircrew :p:
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Tougher for some than others Having spent a good few weeks on bases at camps and on work exp, I've seen just how hard you guys have got it;especailly aircrew :p:
Ha! Ha! I'm just glad you didn't post this the day after I got back home at half past midnight after a 13 hour day! I might have bitten then!!
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It's only when you read stufff like this, that it really brings home to you the risks involved in the service we're all so keen to join, with some jobs carrying much more risk than others!!
I had alot of that over christmas, with a friend in the black watch who had just arrived back from dogwood and a work mate who's brother was lost in the warrior incident. Two of the fallen BW members went to the same school as me as well. Makes you stop and think
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