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Whether it was because my employment history has little out of the ordinary or not I don't know, but they really did gloss over work and focussed much more on extra-curricular activities.
The RAF are looking for evidence that you will pass IOT. As such, they want to see that you have experience in the sort of things that will be required of you. For instance:

Field Exercises: Adventure Training, Sports/Fitness, Ruggedness.

Leadership: School Prefect, Committee Chairman, Sports Team Captain, Supervisor at work.

High Workload: Spare Capacity - Fitting lots of stuff into your lifestyle, being busy, coping with academics, social activities and hobbies at the same time.

Management: Running Charity Projects, Organising Holidays, Employment, Directing Drama Productions at School, Sports Team Secretary.

Challenging Lifestyle: Activity/Adventure Holidays, Trekking Abroad, Running Marathons, Raising Money for Charity, Walking the Pennine Way, Volunteer Service Overseas.

Inter-Personal Skills: Dealing with the Public, Team Sports, Socialising, Clubs and Group Activities, Motivating People.

Communication Ability: Public Speaking, Drama, Debating Clubs, Sports Captain, Committee Chairman, Student Campaigns.

As you can see, very few people will have had much chance to develop these skills purely through employment or at school/college/uni. As such, it is usually in your Spare Time Activities that you get the opportunity to develop these skills and provide the evidence that they are looking for!! Hence, why (for most people) they will spend a lot of time talking to you about your hobbies and interests.
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(Original post by Juji)
The RAF are looking for evidence that you will pass IOT. As such, they want to see that you have experience in the sort of things that will be required of you. For instance:

Field Exercises: Adventure Training, Sports/Fitness, Ruggedness.

Leadership: School Prefect, Committee Chairman, Sports Team Captain, Supervisor at work.

High Workload: Spare Capacity - Fitting lots of stuff into your lifestyle, being busy, coping with academics, social activities and hobbies at the same time.

Management: Running Charity Projects, Organising Holidays, Employment, Directing Drama Productions at School, Sports Team Secretary.

Challenging Lifestyle: Activity/Adventure Holidays, Trekking Abroad, Running Marathons, Raising Money for Charity, Walking the Pennine Way, Volunteer Service Overseas.

Inter-Personal Skills: Dealing with the Public, Team Sports, Socialising, Clubs and Group Activities, Motivating People.

Communication Ability: Public Speaking, Drama, Debating Clubs, Sports Captain, Committee Chairman, Student Campaigns.

Thanks for that, it's really useful
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The reason given for back-coursing was their assesment was TOO good, and they weren't being challeneged enough. Does this fit in with anyones exerpeince or conversations?
Errr... no, not really. I didn't find IOT remotely challenging after I learned how to polish shoes and iron shirts, but they just smiled at me, said I was doing well, and spat me out commissioned on the other side. There's something more to that.
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That's exactly what they are NOT looking for. Who'd want an RAF Officer who was afraid to speak their mind?
Lots of IOT Flt Cdrs, it would seem

Have you done IOT? Which squadron, if so, and what was your Flt Cdr like? In general, having an opinion and speaking your mind was fine; but there's a lot about IOT that was fairly crap and not terribly good, and if you voiced that you were in trouble. Likewise complaints about the wider forces. You had to keep your mouth shut with some things. I was lucky that I liked the military and enjoyed IOT, so was happy to speak my mind and show a bit of personality because no-one minded what I was saying. Mates with bad things to say wisely shut up; some mates who didn't found themselves backcoursed.
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The RAF are looking for evidence that you will pass IOT. As such, they want to see that you have experience in the sort of things that will be required of you. For instance:
Where'd you get that from? We used to look for evidence that people had the capability to pass IOT; that they were the raw material that could have a good dose of "officer-ness" dumped on it and come out the end looking right. There were certain things we were told to look for, but not all fit into what you've listed.

Especially the issues with high workloads and spare capacity. Capacity's an aircrew thing, and it's mental capacity they're looking for; any idiot can cram their lives with too many things, I'd be more interested in seeing someone who prioritises right and knows what's important to do.
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Where'd you get that from? We used to look for evidence that people had the capability to pass IOT; that they were the raw material that could have a good dose of "officer-ness" dumped on it and come out the end looking right. There were certain things we were told to look for, but not all fit into what you've listed.

Especially the issues with high workloads and spare capacity. Capacity's an aircrew thing, and it's mental capacity they're looking for; any idiot can cram their lives with too many things, I'd be more interested in seeing someone who prioritises right and knows what's important to do.

So it's not an 'official' criteria list then?
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So it's not an 'official' criteria list then?
Well, no. They're all very valid in general though; responsibility, charity work, working with others, leadership, challenge, etc etc, but it's not a box-ticking exercise.
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(Original post by Juji)
The RAF are looking for evidence that you will pass IOT. As such, they want to see that you have experience in the sort of things that will be required of you. For instance:

Field Exercises: Adventure Training, Sports/Fitness, Ruggedness.

Leadership: School Prefect, Committee Chairman, Sports Team Captain, Supervisor at work.

High Workload: Spare Capacity - Fitting lots of stuff into your lifestyle, being busy, coping with academics, social activities and hobbies at the same time.

Management: Running Charity Projects, Organising Holidays, Employment, Directing Drama Productions at School, Sports Team Secretary.

Challenging Lifestyle: Activity/Adventure Holidays, Trekking Abroad, Running Marathons, Raising Money for Charity, Walking the Pennine Way, Volunteer Service Overseas.

Inter-Personal Skills: Dealing with the Public, Team Sports, Socialising, Clubs and Group Activities, Motivating People.

Communication Ability: Public Speaking, Drama, Debating Clubs, Sports Captain, Committee Chairman, Student Campaigns.

As you can see, very few people will have had much chance to develop these skills purely through employment or at school/college/uni. As such, it is usually in your Spare Time Activities that you get the opportunity to develop these skills and provide the evidence that they are looking for!! Hence, why (for most people) they will spend a lot of time talking to you about your hobbies and interests.
Thanks Juji
that is a really helpful list you gave there, some things I can tick off, others are like, ugh!!! how the, and panic.
I'd guess being a member of the Fiat auto club doesnt count does it ?
joking aside there, that is something i'll be keeping as a point of reference, not for box ticking as Wzz mentioned but it does assist on focusing on area's
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Lots of IOT Flt Cdrs, it would seem

Have you done IOT? Which squadron, if so, and what was your Flt Cdr like? In general, having an opinion and speaking your mind was fine; but there's a lot about IOT that was fairly crap and not terribly good, and if you voiced that you were in trouble. Likewise complaints about the wider forces. You had to keep your mouth shut with some things. I was lucky that I liked the military and enjoyed IOT, so was happy to speak my mind and show a bit of personality because no-one minded what I was saying. Mates with bad things to say wisely shut up; some mates who didn't found themselves backcoursed.
that really is good to know, i'll have to learn to keep my trap shut, as im known to grumble and moan a bit with my current job, but its lucky that they either listen as its something valid or just ignore me as everyones moaning the same (that would be the crm project im stuck on then)
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Hi all, Im a new member to The Student Room however I have been reading the posts for some time now, so firstly thanks for the great advice dotted around on the site especially you current serving guys. I went to OASC back in Jan and am now awaiting the news of the February review. Basically just wanted to know if any of you were in the same position?
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Hi all, Im a new member to The Student Room however I have been reading the posts for some time now, so firstly thanks for the great advice dotted around on the site especially you current serving guys. I went to OASC back in Jan and am now awaiting the news of the February review. Basically just wanted to know if any of you were in the same position?
Welcome to The Thread. I went to OASC in early December and was put on the February board too, so it would seem there are a lot of candidates to get through.

From this thread I know of at least one other who is waiting on the February board, but he's serving personnel so would hear through a different route to you.

I don't know how long these things take, but I would imagine you will hear soon; Cranwell has been nothing but efficient in their correspondance with me.

Good luck
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Thanks, good luck to you too.

I too know of someone serving put through to the Feb review who found out straight after the review took place (17th Feb I think) that he was to start IOT in November. I guess its just down to us hearing through the route of the snail mail postal system and the serving chaps hearing from their current CO!! Never mind... lets hope the news is worth the wait!
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I don't know how long these things take, but I would imagine you will hear soon; Cranwell has been nothing but efficient in their correspondance with me.

Good luck
You have been luckier than me then!

I guess when you are just a name on a form, and they havent seen your sparkling personality, integrity and knowledge, they take their time...

This is what I keep saying to myself as I await news of OASC after filter way back in December... (Anyone know of the OASC dates for this year?)
Good luck to you guys for the review
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You have been luckier than me then!

This is what I keep saying to myself as I await news of OASC after filter way back in December... (Anyone know of the OASC dates for this year?)
Good luck to you guys for the review
OASC does not have specific dates!

It happens twice weekly every week. If you are allocated an OASC date then you will either turn up on Sunday and do OASC Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday or turn up on Tuesday and do OASC Wednesday,Thursday and Friday.
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Have you done IOT? Which squadron, if so, and what was your Flt Cdr like?
Yes, No. 179 IOT 'C' Squadron (still got a thing for Dolphins! LOL). Ours was a Catering officer, a really good bloke. Nice mixture of personalities on our flight too (even the Brunei student was a top-notch guy which can be unusual )

In general, having an opinion and speaking your mind was fine; but there's a lot about IOT that was fairly crap and not terribly good,
I agree. As long as people remember that 'speaking your mind' is very different from 'whinging'!

Where'd you get that from?
The top of my head! LOL
It wouldn't be appropriate to publish the exact interview board on the net, but those criteria go some way towards highlighting the sort of questions that recruiting staff will have about you. For instance, if you've never done any adventurous/outdoors activities - how will you (or anyone) know whether you will cope with military life (and specifically FLC on IOT and OOAs later in your career)

With regards to 'spare capacity' - it was just a word of warning, because I've heard more than a few people try and explain that "due to pressures of work" they did not have the time to undertake any meaningful STAs. Frankly, not a good excuse for a potential officer.
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Thanks, good luck to you too.

I too know of someone serving put through to the Feb review who found out straight after the review took place (17th Feb I think) that he was to start IOT in November. I guess its just down to us hearing through the route of the snail mail postal system and the serving chaps hearing from their current CO!! Never mind... lets hope the news is worth the wait!
I heard on 7th Feb although I have been informed that this was pre-board. I was just extremely lucky.
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With regards to 'spare capacity' - it was just a word of warning, because I've heard more than a few people try and explain that "due to pressures of work" they did not have the time to undertake any meaningful STAs. Frankly, not a good excuse for a potential officer.
Wirh fear of looking silly:

What's an STA please?
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nik01 -

Thanks for that. Im eating my humble pie now (something else to do whilst waiting to hear from Cranwell )

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What's an STA please?
Spare Time Activity. One of my favorite TLAs. :-)
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Hi all, obviously posted earlier asking if ayone had heard from the Feb review..... well i got home tonight and found id been offered NC Aircrew!!! This was my 2nd choice of Branch behind WSO but im still well happy!

Thanks again for all help and advice on the thread!! :dancing:
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