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getting close then, best of luck, im sure it will go well.
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well, hopefully second times a charm... :p:
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No its not my filter, my AFCO arranged it so I could speak to an officer, he says that an officer would be able to offer me more info on all aspect of the RAF as an officer. Also I have arranged a base visit with him for after my exams so I am happy with that.

Thanks for the advice bex.
wear a suit, or at least a shirt and trousers. Better to go over dressed than under, but be comfortable.
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Hi all

Just a quick questions. Its it quite uncommon to pass OASC first time? If so what were the reasons why people didnt get in? Was it poor scores on the aptitude tests or lack of RAF knowledge etc??
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Aptitude tests seem to be the killer; also med - you may arrive thinking you are ok then they discover your hearing is poor or you eyesight may even be to good in one eye. I'm not sure whether you could say that it is uncommon to pass first time, as many people do. It could be uncommon at the moment for pilot - people could pass the whole few days and still not make it; due to the lack of recruting in the aircrew department.
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i passed oasc but didn't make the cut for bursaries simply because i didn't prepare thoroughly enough... also, i didn't know what to expect and when i did my part II, it took me a while to get into the swing of it...
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yeah i can see how it would be hard for pilot due to the vast numbers that apply for it and the amount the raf actually needs. I was actually told that the RAF currently has more pilots than it actually needs hence why recruitment is reduced and alot more competetive for pilot. Myself im applying for provost. Im lucky in the fact that not many people apply for this branch, but unlucky in the fact that there are only about 106 serving provost officers in the RAF and its one of the smallest branches. Im going to oasc in june and my biggest concern for the assessment is the interview. How much in depth do they ask you about the raf? Would they ask me to detail the whole command structure of the raf and the armed forces or will it just be current opperation they would be focusing on? Is the interview and questions on the raf branch dependant?? Sorry for all the questions!
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They like to ask you about the branch training of the branches you want to go into and also about IOT.
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What to know for the interview:

Officer - qualities required, do you think you have these qualities?

IOT - Be able to talk about IOT like you already have done it. Search DIOT in google and get a breakdown from the Crawell DIOT site.

Your Branch - All the details what it does, the training route, what you do once qualified etc.
If it is a specialist branch, know where you could get stationed to.

For Pilot; know the three routes for training (FJ, Roats, Multi), where you train, about OCU's/OCF's, what airfcraft you want to fly (prepare 2 and know them inside out and back to front) and know all the aircraft and their roles. Also any future aricraft.

If you have put down 2 branches, know them both inside out).

Why you want your job and why you want to join the RAF.

Current Affairs - Take a tour around the world. Pick 6 domestic and 6 international current affairs. Know the basic facts and have a strong opinion which you can argue and stand by.
Make sure you have thought about going to war and the consequences - e.g. you have been tasked to go and blow up X but X is known to have a lot of civilians in it as well as the enemy. What would you do?
Try to find non-common current affairs. Iraq has been done to death. Put the ones you don't know so well at the beginning when you list them. Stick your favourite at the end but don't sound to enthusiastic about it! (they should ask you the one you seem to be least enthusiatic/knowledgeable about)
They should be no older than 18 months old.

Know your age to the day before you go
Know your family - their jobs, careers, future plans
Know your hobbies and achievements; chance to sell yourself. Even the most mdeiocre achievment can be made to sound worthwhile.
TIP: photocopy your form before posting it so you know exactly what you have put down!
Know what you have done up to now.

That's all for now - hope it helps!
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yeah i can see how it would be hard for pilot due to the vast numbers that apply for it and the amount the raf actually needs. I was actually told that the RAF currently has more pilots than it actually needs hence why recruitment is reduced and alot more competetive for pilot.
Well, yes and no. The RAF may need a fairly large number of pilots, but it needs some pretty good candidates to fill those slots. If it's a competitive year, then we get a hell of a lot of applicants for every space; so we pick the best ones; and you get some pretty exceptional candidates sometimes.

As far as numbers goes, we're not really overborne. We don't need a set number of "pilots," we need so many junior officer FJ ones, so many multis co-pilots, so many captains, so many Harrier QWIs and the suchlike. We're underborne as far as a lot of experienced slots go, and in some of the more junior categories we're overborne. There're too many unqualified pilots in training. I'm sure my mate was telling me there're too many co pilots at his place, but they're short of captains.

Also, remember training's a long pipeline. You can shut off the supply, but you can't get rid of the guys 2 years into a 4 year cycle; you have to let them come out and do something with them.
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What about WSO at the moment then, i guess there is still strong competition seeming that most of the jets now are one seater, leaving only multi-engine and rotary left.
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Hi everybody, I have my filter interview coming up shortly for WSO and I'm a bit confused on the current affairs category.... do we choose our own subjects to talk about or do they ask us about some at random? Or could it be either? ANY help at all would be very much appreciated!
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Hi everybody, I have my filter interview coming up shortly for WSO and I'm a bit confused on the current affairs category.... do we choose our own subjects to talk about or do they ask us about some at random? Or could it be either? ANY help at all would be very much appreciated!
I wasnt asked anything about current affairs on my initial filter interview for WSOp so it may be the same for you. If they do ask however, the format it will most probably take would be along the lines of 'what stories around the world can you tell me about etc...' I think. Or they may pick a continent and you would be expected to reel off a current story in that region.


Hope this helps?

If I am wrong also anyone, please let me know!
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I wasnt asked anything about current affairs on my initial filter interview for WSOp so it may be the same for you.
That has got to be one of the most frustrating things I come across. Don't worry, it happens alot on here!

Assume YOU WILL be asked about current affairs. I've had 4 filter interviews, each one with current affairs. Be overprepared, not underprepared. Have a look at the FAQs for a vague idea of what they will ask you. I have no idea why some people don't get asked about current affairs but everyone should and will come OASC.
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So thats how you would put down your personnel if you became an officer hey? well...... I was merely stating what happened to me! So why have you had 4 filter interviews to date then Black Hawk?
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So thats how you would put down your personnel if you became an officer hey? well...... I was merely stating what happened to me! So why have you had 4 filter interviews to date then Black Hawk?
When I said "don't worry, it happens here a lot!" how was I putting you down?

If you have trouble seeing when someone is giving you helpful advice (as well as other people) then is that going to reflect on you if you become an officer? Not a nice question to ask is it?

And my filter ints were for different branches as well as my UAS over the past 3 1/2 years. All of which I passed. Not that it is of any consequence.
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When I said "don't worry, it happens here a lot!" how was I putting you down?

If you have trouble seeing when someone is giving you helpful advice (as well as other people) then is that going to reflect on you if you become an officer? Not a nice question to ask is it?

And my filter ints were for different branches as well as my UAS over the past 3 1/2 years. All of which I passed. Not that it is of any consequence.
Helpful Advice? It may have been meant that way but certainly didnt come across that way.

Well done for passing your 4 filter interviews anyway.
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Helpful Advice? It may have been meant that way but certainly didnt come across that way.

Well done for passing your 4 filter interviews anyway.
Well then it should be reread. It wasn't in direct reply to your statement either, I was answering what you and another person had asked about current affairs.

'If I am wrong also anyone, please let me know'

'Don't worry, it happens alot!'

If had read this thread you would have seen this question comes up alot. If you can't take helpful advice then don't post asking for it. You information was misleading, and I corrected some of it. Not for you but for anyone that comes along reading this thread. I wasn't the only person who saw your reply as rude and unnecessary. Wind your neck in a bit.
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Well then it should be reread. It wasn't in direct reply to your statement either, I was answering what you and another person had asked about current affairs.

'If I am wrong also anyone, please let me know'

'Don't worry, it happens alot!'

If had read this thread you would have seen this question comes up alot. If you can't take helpful advice then don't post asking for it. You information was misleading, and I corrected some of it. Not for you but for anyone that comes along reading this thread. I wasn't the only person who saw your reply as rude and unnecessary. Wind your neck in a bit.
Ok I apologise then after re-reading it. I was maybe a bit hasty in replying so soon. It just seemed negative initially but I realise that it could have been taken 2 ways as it is an ambigious statement submitted initially by you.

Hope no-one took offence to our 'handbags at dawn' fight?!

Jon
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