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How can you be far too well prepared? You are either prepared, or not. Clear as day. If those from Nottingham are the dogs wotsits, then the RAF Careers Directorate should be focusing their efforts on the population of Nottingham, or getting the other AFCO's to copy their style.

How strange. Might be worth doing some digging. (WZZ and comments?)
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or will the board not give a toss either way?
My view on that is they wont give much of a toss. They are looking for what sort of person you are, not how much flying you have done. The aptitude tests entirely decide "how good you will be" at flying. When I went to OASC, I thought the fact that I am a gliding instructor would help... In the interview, they didnt even ask me to elaborate on it.
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I am (hopefully) going to be joining either Southampton UAS or Oxford UAS which I am really looking foward to! I failed my OASC selection at interview stage when I went for 6th form scholarship so I decided UNI then re-apply... Does anyone have any information on how pilots get selected from their performance at UAS? I read in the information booklet that people often get selected for pilot training, I even know someone that it happened to. Unfortunately I didnt have the chance to ask them about it and I am interested to find out how it happens, and how likely it is. Does it involve getting sponsored?
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How can you be far too well prepared? You are either prepared, or not. Clear as day. If those from Nottingham are the dogs wotsits, then the RAF Careers Directorate should be focusing their efforts on the population of Nottingham, or getting the other AFCO's to copy their style.

Hey, i wouldn't get too worked up about it, it was something only Nottingham AFCO were doing, and apparently was of some benefit otherwise it would not have been cancelled due to creating a disadvantage to those who signed up elsewhere. Nottingham is not going to have any better gifted a cross section of people than any other area, but some intensive preparation by officers who have done it all before is surely going to have helped a bit. They were going to go though interview technique, what they might be looking for, the group exercises etc. Like i said, im pretty pissed that i missed it.
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Does anyone have any information on how pilots get selected from their performance at UAS? I read in the information booklet that people often get selected for pilot training, I even know someone that it happened to. Unfortunately I didnt have the chance to ask them about it and I am interested to find out how it happens, and how likely it is. Does it involve getting sponsored?
I'm not quite sure what you're asking; are you asking how you get selected to be a UAS pilot, or how you move from UAS to RAF?

When you apply to join a UAS, you'll be vetted at your Freshers' Fayre by one of the squadron's officers. If they think you've got what it takes, you'll be invited to the squadron's base to go through a full interview; pretty much identical to that you'll have sat when going through OASC.

Those that pass that as well will be stuck on a bus and sent to OASC again for a full part one medical. Some UASs also stick you through some of the pilot aptitude tests again then, some don't bother.

If you're one of the better interview applicants, and are medically fit, you're then selected. You become an Officer Cadet in the RAFVR, and can start flying.

Generally, UASs only recruit pilots. The complement of navs and ground branches should come from sponsorship holders; normally ones who apply for uni sponsorship when still at school and arrive at uni with automatic membership of their UAS; so that's the other way to join.

While sitting on a UAS, you can apply for sponsorship at pretty much any time. You'll go to OASC at the usual sort of time with a report from your UAS, but won't carry any more weight because of it; in fact since you'll be competing with other UAS mates it's probably harder. Your UAS life will have given you a lot of opportunity to get involved with things that OASC interviewers like, though, and a good performance in flying is certainly beneficial.

If you get sponsored, they paint a blue stripe on your rank slides and give you a handful of cash every year. When you graduate, you'll be allocated an IOT course and go there.

If you don't want sponsorship, you can apply as a graduate direct entrant in your final year in the same way; you must have five terms left at uni to be eligible for sponsorship.

What happens to you after EFT depends on how much flying you did at uni. If you completed EFT, you're streamed from that and move on to basic. If you didn't, you'll probably go back to your old UAS to "top up," or failing that will go through the entire DEFTS syllabus on some random UAS.

Hope that helps; email me at [email protected] if you need any help.
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I was wondering whether anyone (WZz!) knows about the current situation re pilot recruitment.
Its fair to say its due to downsize in the near future, so would you advise Direct Entry or via a UAS? Or "If you've got a DE place, take it! If not, go thru a UAS"???

Are UAS' the best place to do EFT - do most people get it finished while at uni, or just a few - and how managable is it to get that FJ stream while at uni compared to Direct Entry?

If you are awarded a university busary for pilot, which gives a UAS slot, are you guaranteed to remain a pilot, as I've heard stories of people being put into a ground trade after joining the UAS for pilot.
Also, does anyone have any opinions as to which UAS is the best (Flying, social etc)?

Thanks in advance,
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Hi Icklecathy and anyone else who has OASC coming up. I've just done my 3 days - am going in as a direct entry specialist so didn't have to do the aptitude tests. I was pretty scared about the whole thing but actually found it to be good fun. I'm 31 and have done TA officer selection. Interview was absolutely fine. They asked everyone different q's but all I had was 'take us around the world and give us the headlines'. I merely said a few countries in Africa, N Korea and they only asked me my opinion on what's going on in Zimbabwe and what's happening in N Korea. They're pretty keen on NATO and what Russia's opinion might be of the countries that are joining NATO. Some people had q's on US elections and what they thought of Tony Blair as well. As far as RAF q's went, they asked me to ID a chinook pic on the wall, where RAF are operating in the world, which is most strategic post - Cyrpus and why, and what new aircraft are coming in. Please just remember to be happy, smiley and project confidence. They are really easy going and laughy - not at all as scary as I thought.

Command tasks were amazing fun. Best advice I can offer is to make sure you keep control of your task, don't let people talk over you, tell them you'll come back to them if they keep suggesting ideas, and thank them at the end - they've worked hard for you. Only lasts 15 mins - prob about 10 by time you've briefed team and started it. Noone expects you to get anywhere near finishing it so don't worry about that.

More advice is - drink...water...as much as possible. Gym and hangars are air conditioned and very very dry. You won't be able to do much of the bleep test when your mouth is so dry - drink anything you can get your hands on whenever you get a second to yourself. You will perform better when you're hydrated.

After interviews, 19 people out of 38 were rejected. 15 of went through to part 2. Reasons for rejection were that they didn't have enough outside interests or were too quiet.

Let me know if you would like more help. Only too pleased to help. Know how it feels to go through it. Just waiting for decision now!!!
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Hi Icklecathy and anyone else who has OASC coming up.
Cheers for all that, that's really useful - esp the current affairs stuff they asked you about! I do worry that I don't do enough in my spare time, I mean, I run everyday and go kickboxing twice a week, and apart from that I go to work! What wil they reckon to that ?
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Let me know if you would like more help. Only too pleased to help. Know how it feels to go through it. Just waiting for decision now!!![/QUOTE]

Hi, only a week left to go till my OASC interview. I am extremely nervous, but have spent the past few weeks preparing. I have revised both current affairs and RAF knowledge. ALso been training in the gym every other day. I've read your message and it was very useful. I am 28 and hope that my age and confidence will help me get through. I have a lot of hobbies and always have done. My research for the RAF has taken me on three visits to RAF bases and I spent some time with a Squadron leader this morning discussing my chances etc. I am also lucky that whilst doing my research for the RAF, I have started going out with an RAF sargeant. So, my RAF knowledge has come on leaps and bounds and its almost daily conversation for me now.
I am hoping to do a practice interview with an old boss this week and a practice bleep test also. Any other suggestions?..........
What trade are you applying for to get direct entry?....... and good luck with IOT.
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Suzi Q
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Wzz... know you're a RAF pilot from a few of your posts but was just interested in what you fly, how long you've been in the RAF, where you've been based?
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You'll never get information like that from military personnell on the public domain.
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yeah you never know what kinda nutcase is looking at these forums.
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Ok... im not a weirdo or anything... I know you may think some people on this forum aren't all there in the head but I'm not one of them thanks!

Wzz.. obviously I can't be interested in your RAF career seeing as thats what I'm going into after university... No offence meant by questions just general interest what with the wide range of postings and aircraft you can get in the RAF
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Wzz... know you're a RAF pilot from a few of your posts but was just interested in what you fly, how long you've been in the RAF, where you've been based?
I'd love to chat about my career, but it's probably not the smartest thing I could start posting on here. If you're in the RAF, you'll wind up getting briefs about various internet forums popular with aircrew (any RAF mates reading this know the one I mean!) and what not to post there, and the resulting security implications.

Hence I won't tell you very much about me. I used to work in recruiting between courses, I'm a pilot, and know what I'm talking about.
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Guys and Gals,
I don't know how many of you were perched in front of the telly last night at 7.30pm, but a new series has just started called "Combat Pilot" (BBC2 Every Monday night) and follows 5-6 RAF trainees flying Hawks at RAF Valley. I'm unsure how many episodes there are but the whole series follows them throughout their entire time there. The episode last night covered a bit of sim work and evade and escape exercises. Next week is flying. Definately one to watch!
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Does anyone know about / has attended a TLC course run by the AFCO?

I have heard of them (Teamwork, Leadership & Communications I think)

The AFCO rang me today to ask if i wanted to go on one - of course i jumped at the chance, and the paperwork is on-route.

Mike
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Yeah i watched that Combat Pilot program, how the hell did that 38 year old nav get onto the fast jet course? he must of pulled so many strings to swing that.
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He didn't pull any strings. When the GD(N) branch was oversubscribed, it made a lot of sense to take experienced nav QWIs and get them into pilot training. They did EFT, BFJT, AFT and 19(F) just like anyone else. The guy in question was an ex Tornado backseater, so it's not like he had no FJ experience.

The last one doing this has just got his wings.
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i went to one of these at the Liverpool AFCO and it was really useful. we basically went through everything you do at OASC. they gave us ways to 'plan' answers to the predictable questions and talked about the interview structure. also did some teamworking and baby command tasks. also did a group planning exercise. it really highlighted areas i needed to work on and it was good to meet other candidates. make sure you eat a really good breakfast and take a bottle of water, coz they deliberately dont feed you - by the afternoon everybody is really flagging, just shows how important it is to keep drinking etc when you're at OASC. have fun!!
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Hi guys, love the forum, lots of great advice. just left school today to revise for dreaded gcse's. i'm revising like hell as i want to be a fighter pilot or WSO. is it true that WSO's are going to be phased out due to computers taking over. my main intention is fighter pilot. and hopefully one day i might see you all there. the revision for gcse's is so labourious and boring, i live right near warton too so the eurofighter is over every 10mins , which makes me realise why i am working my ass off, giving sad old examiners something to do!

Anyway i hope i do well and i may see some of you guys in the future. Jon
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