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I am keen on joining the RAF as a Pilot. i am a member of the Air Training Corps and have so far completed and achieved the following:
Attained the Rank of Cadet flight Sergeant
Completed the Air Cadet Leadership Course at RAF Stafford
Attended the Marine Society Training Ship Course 2002
Completed Gliding Scholarship to Solo Standard in 2002

After completing my Gliding scholarship I applied to become a Flight Staff cadet at 613 VGS. i was accepted and have achieved my Advanced Glider Training. I am now training to become an Air Cadet Gliding Instructor. I would easily be able to get references from an ex-Wing Commander and a Current Squadron Leader.

In My GCSE's I achieved A grade in geoggraphy
B - Maths
CC - Science
CC - English
C - Drama
C - Food
E - Spanish

In my AS levels i achieved:
C Geography (after retakes expected to achieve B)
D Business studies (after retakes of two units expected to achive B)

I am now continuing with these two and have taken up AS Level psychology.

I have a part-time job of both swimming teacher assistant and a Lifeguard - so fitness is not an issue

If anyone could tell me what my chances are then please reply, thanks.

Or reply to [email protected]
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Any tips for the initial interview prior to selection?
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If you could give me some infomation I would be extremely gratefull, I to want to be an engineering officer. My email is [email protected]


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hey my e mail address is [email protected] iam attending the officer and aircrew selection at RAF cranwell next month and would appreciate any information that you could give me. Thankyou Rob
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I'm a serving fast jet pilot in the RAF. If anyone would like a bit of advice about getting in, I'd be happy to help; there's a hell of a lot of crap on this thread and I hate to see wrong info being batted around.

For example, there is no preference for upper class people. Adopt a posh accent and you'll look like an idiot afraid to be himself, and you'll be out.

The pilot scholarship scheme was a disaster, so the young gentleman patting himself on the back for being one of few out of 277 should be careful with those thoughts; the impression from the recruiters was that the majority were crap (hence why 198 IOT was virtually empty, for example). You were the required standard so well done, and the rest were abominable; it's not that you were spectacular! Watch that at IOT.

Being an Air Cadet will not help in most senses. You'll know more about the military, but do not expect to be given any credit for reeling off courses you've been on. It's all about your potential, and I've seen a lot of good air cadets rejected because they will not make good officers.

Don't turn up with details of the jet you'd like to fly too firmly in your mind; definately have something to aim for, but remember there's a long period of officer training and elementary flying training before you're selected for one of the three streams, and then there's another 2 years minimum of basic and advanced fast jet training before you're selected for a specific type.

If you don't know where to start with current affairs, watch the news every day and read a quality newspaper every day. Soon you'll be immersed enough that you'll be able to talk about the news.

Do remember you are joining the RAF as an officer first, pilot second. It is a hard job, and very difficult to get into and stay in. Study everything about it. If you don't know an awful lot about the job before you get there, you won't get it. You should be asking your AFCO and studying the RAF website at length.

If you want to be a commercial pilot, do not join the RAF to do it. Being trained as a military fast jet or helicopter pilot (for example) does not translate to a free civilian Air Transport Pilots' License when you leave. Remember it's not a quick or easy route to a civilian qualification; and you may have to go to war, fight and die while serving.

Direct any questions you like to me. I've worked in recuriting and am currently a pilot. [email protected]
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Can anyone answer this question for me please?

Are the fitness requirements on the bleep test the same even if you are not going for pilot?
Is it level 6.3 or 7.3? age 17-24 female.

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I wouldn't worry about, I myself are 14 wanting to join the RAF and have joined ATC. I know someone at school that has achieved level 15!!!!! And I level 9. Its realy easy, just train yourself up, just 20 minutes walking a day. As far as I know its standard for any person wanting to join the RAF.
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The fitness test is maximal. i.e. you run till you drop. The higher the level you reach, the more it counts in your favour. I would say that level 6 - 7 wasn't that impressive.
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"Any tips for the initial interview prior to selection?"

Learn EVERYTHING in the brochures.

Learn EVERTHING you're told in the presentation.

Do lots of extra research...make sure you can remember it!

Learn all about the specialist training for the Branches you have chosen.

Learn all about OASC and IOT.

Be concise and accurate with your answers.

If you try and blag it, you'll look a fool.

Have a good answer ready about why you want to be an Officer and why you want to be in the RAF.

Make sure you can remember all your hobbies, jobs, responsibilities etc. Use them to highlight the SKILLS that you have developed.

Be very confident and friendly.

Demonstrate a sense of humour.

Be absolutely honest.

Above all else, demonstrate the qualities that you would expect of an Officer.
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"I wouldn't worry about,"

I would! If your fitness is unsatisfactory, then you won't pass.

They are looking to see whether you are fit enough to undertake IOT...and IOT is a physically demanding course.
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I disagree. Selection is all about potential, and people *can* get fit. I've seen a lot of people go through having failed the fitness test or been terminally average.

I've never seen anyone get through failing the interview, aptitude tests for their branch, or syndicate selection. I'd say the fitness test is the least of your worries. I was never the fittest on my IOT but still breezed it; in fact I'd say I was one of the least fit. It's nothing compared to Sandhurst, for example.

Worry about the interview. Worry about your ability to pass the entirety of part 2. Don't worry about your fitness; anyone who's not very unfit can pass, and if you don't grade "excellent," don't think it matters.
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Hi all,
Its fantastic to see so many people who share the same interest as me! Anyway, I originally started out wanting to become an RAF Fighter Pilot, having been in the ATC for 3 years and completing my Gliding Scholorship to solo standard at RAF Odiham I am now a glider pilot flying at a local club. I have diverted from the RAF mainly because it is a pilot I primarily want to be, not an Officer. Although, even with the commercial side, it is much more expensive and you are still an Officer. I am doing A2 Maths, Physics and English Language, because I want to be a pilot.
I am also hoping to go to Uni next year to study Aeronautical Systems Engineering (If anyone could give me any suggestions on interviews etc for this I would be greatly appreciative! My e-mail is: plane_krazy (at) hotmail.com)
Just wanted to point out the fact that you are opting to become an Officer, not a pilot to start with. As has been highlighted several times here in this post. I was miss guided by the whole grand pilot thing, and after seeing the Iraq crisis occur earlier this year, I was greatly put off. I want to fly, not fight. Please remember that that is after all, what you will be trained to do.

Good luck to all

Dave
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I could certainly help you out on what to do in going down to OASC at RAFC Cranwell - the 4 day selection process, having done it myself and come out of it successful. Although I'm not going to be a pilot, I'm going to keep the aircraft in the sky instead and become an Engineer officer, the same selection process takes place for everyone who goes to cranwell. Post a reply if you want me to tell you more.
I'm a 22 year old Graduate applying soon to be an Officer (and hopefuly a pilot). If you could email me with any advice on the 4 day selection process it would be greatly appreciated.

[email protected]
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"I disagree. Selection is all about potential, and people *can* get fit. I've seen a lot of people go through having failed the fitness test or been terminally average. I've never seen anyone get through failing the interview, aptitude tests for their branch, or syndicate selection. I'd say the fitness test is the least of your worries."

I'll clarify. The fitness test is not pass/fail. However, you do need to demonstrate sufficient fitness to begin IOT. In addition to that, it allows you to demonstrate MOTIVATION (i.e. if you haven't bothered to GET fit...how can you claim you REALLY want to join the RAF? There really isn't an excuse for not being fit when you go to OASC. If you can't be bothered to drag yourself off the settee to go for a run several times per week, then you probably aren't what OASC are looking for!

The test scores are broken down into brackets - poor, below average, average, above average, excellent etc. If you score 'below average' then it will go against you, likewise, an 'excellent' score will definately aid your selection. However, it is only ONE element of OASC - you have to pass everything else in order for it too count. If you are a borderline candidate, then your fitness test result can make a crucial difference.

You should AIM to score 'excellent' on the test. You don't need to be an athlete to do this - just sufficiently motivated to make yourself go running (at least 3 miles) 5 times a week.
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Hi, I am currently a University student considering becoming a pilot. I have always wanted to fly ever since I was a child. What would you say were the most important skills required to become a fighter pilot?

Dale

You will never become a pilot so give up the pipe dream you haven't got what it takes. Do you know how many people want to become pilots? Competition is ridiculosly fierce.
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Can anyone answer this question for me please?

Are the fitness requirements on the bleep test the same even if you are not going for pilot?
Is it level 6.3 or 7.3? age 17-24 female.

Thanks
For the bleep test, women 17/24. Average is 6-1, excellent 8-1. Anything between them. However you should aim higher and make yourself stand out!
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You will never become a pilot so give up the pipe dream you haven't got what it takes. Do you know how many people want to become pilots? Competition is ridiculosly fierce.
That's a bit negative. Someone's got to do it!
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I am currently studying A-levels, and have always had my sights set on a career in the RAF as a pilot. Hopefully after my A-levels i will move onto university and join the local air university. I have just recently left my ATC squadron and with many achievements. I no how hard it is to be selected as a pilot (obviously not from experience) but i was wondering if anyone could tell me some info on what general life in the RAF as a pilot is like, so i know what to expect if i do join, as well as have some idea to show in the recruitment stage. As an officer as well as a pilot, what are your jobs and responsibilities. What is life really like in the RAF? how long are deployments and how often etc. Its just to give me a general idea.

Any response will be appreciated
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Hi there
I am currently studying A-levels, and have always had my sights set on a career in the RAF as a pilot. Hopefully after my A-levels i will move onto university and join the local air university. I have just recently left my ATC squadron and with many achievements. I no how hard it is to be selected as a pilot (obviously not from experience) but i was wondering if anyone could tell me some info on what general life in the RAF as a pilot is like, so i know what to expect if i do join, as well as have some idea to show in the recruitment stage. As an officer as well as a pilot, what are your jobs and responsibilities. What is life really like in the RAF? how long are deployments and how often etc. Its just to give me a general idea.

Any response will be appreciated
Email me at [email protected]. I'd be happy to drop you an email but don't fancy describing my life in incredible detail on a public forum
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"You will never become a pilot so give up the pipe dream you haven't got what it takes. Do you know how many people want to become pilots? Competition is ridiculosly fierce."

Spoken like a truly bitter OASC drop-out!!!

With an attitude like that, you'd NEVER get into the RAF.....

What's the harm in trying? If you never try, you'll never, ever know if you COULD have actually done it.
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I've got my first interview on monday to eventually get sixth form sponsorship (hopefully) with entry as a pilot. Will the questions I'll get asked be pretty much whats already been posted - current affairs, why do I want to join etc? Also, do grades play a part in whether or not you get the sponsorship, or does it come down to leadership/confidence/aptitude tests (Ive got/getting the grades so thats not a problem really).
And please, no cynical remarks on how 'competition is ridiculously fierce', I'll get there one way or another
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I've got my first interview on monday to eventually get sixth form sponsorship (hopefully) with entry as a pilot. Will the questions I'll get asked be pretty much whats already been posted - current affairs, why do I want to join etc?
The questions:
Firstly loads of stuff about your application forms...family details, your time at school, jobs, hobbies, sports, how you socialise etc

Make sure you know ALL about OASC (learn the tests as a bulletpoint list). The same goes for IOT and your Branch Training. Learn basic details about the RAF and current affairs:

1. Recent Overseas Operations.
2. Permenant Overseas Bases.
3. Key Personalities (Chief of Air Staff, Minister of Defence etc).
4, New or future aircraft and weapons.
5, 4 or 5 Current Affairs issues.
6, Why you want to join the RAF?
7, Why you want to be AN OFFICER in the RAF?

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Also, do grades play a part in whether or not you get the sponsorship, or does it come down to leadership/confidence/aptitude tests (Ive got/getting the grades so thats not a problem really).
Yes, the sponsorship is designed to support high academic achievers. You won't even DO part 2 of OASC. You only do Part 1 (Aptitude Tests, Medical and Interview). You will finish OASC after your A-Levels.
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