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(Original post by icklecathy)
I know I should be happy, but i'm in a really difficult situation now. I have another job offer that involves me moving to London at the end of August to start in early September. Obviously the RAF is my no 1 choice, but I could turn down this other job, only for the RAF to tell me in August they don't want me, and then i'm back to square one. Or I could move to London and the RAF decide they want me and i've gone thorugh all that hassle for nothing.

What a stress !!
My advice, with what little you've said, is take the job in London. RAF Applications are notorious for taking time and messing you around. If you then get a place at IOT you'll just have to hand in your notice. It would be awful to turn it down and then for some reason the RAF let you down. Look after number 1 and don't worry too much about resigning from a new job.

Difficut time , lots of decisions but go with your gut feeling.

good luck

Lou x :confused:
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I'm in a sticky situation also. I don't have a RAF pilot bursary for first year uni (this september) because i was too late in applying for one. Now i'm going to have to join the UAS via fltering interviews etc and apply for the bursary during year two. However, i cant make my mind up if i wanna join RAF directly (for pilot) or go to uni. If i join RAF im gonna have to take a gap year as i hear the direct entry process takes ages. If i dont make the grade then i've basically wasted a year of my life, but then at least i've still got my place at uni. To make matters worse though, when i finish uni i'll be 24, to old to apply for pilot 2nd time around. What do i do? If i go to uni and apply for RAF there is no point in doing the other respectively as i'll have to drop one to do the other. Do you get me?
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I'm in a sticky situation also. I don't have a RAF pilot bursary for first year uni (this september) because i was too late in applying for one. Now i'm going to have to join the UAS via fltering interviews etc and apply for the bursary during year two. However, i cant make my mind up if i wanna join RAF directly (for pilot) or go to uni. If i join RAF im gonna have to take a gap year as i hear the direct entry process takes ages. If i dont make the grade then i've basically wasted a year of my life, but then at least i've still got my place at uni. To make matters worse though, when i finish uni i'll be 24, to old to apply for pilot 2nd time around. What do i do? If i go to uni and apply for RAF there is no point in doing the other respectively as i'll have to drop one to do the other. Do you get me?
Lol! Seems i'm not the only one in a pickle. I suppose I shouldn't be too down about my problem - after all the prob is that I may have 2 job offers rather than just 1!!!
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(Original post by icklecathy)
Got my letter this morning. I have been shortlisted for consideration for a Commission, another meeting will take place in August, and then I will get a final decision.

Not the outcome I was hoping for, but haven't heard from anybody at my OASC who has been given a place yet, so at least I haven't been binnned.
Do most people get told they've been shortlisted after OASC or do people mainly just get offered a commission straight up?
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Do most people get told they've been shortlisted after OASC or do people mainly just get offered a commission straight up?
Hmm good Q. In the current climate of recruitment I would say being shortlisted is a positive thing. Out of my OASC I have heard of 3 outright rejections, and 3 shorlisted so far. No direct acceptances.

For now, and probably the considerable future, the RAF will have more suitable applicants than places at IOT, so they can pick the best of the best.
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I think the current situation clearly demonstrates the effects of the armed forces review. There are far too many suitable applicants, and not enough jobs in the RAF.

Icklecathy: Take the job in London, you'd be very unwise not too. Even if the RAF say "yes", you can resign from the job, citing any reason you like. If they say "no", you have already embarked on plan B, and shouldn't feel too cheated.

I, myself, am very concerned about the possibility of me passing OASC and being offered a place on IOT, in light of current recruitment trends.
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I, myself, am very concerned about the possibility of me passing OASC and being offered a place on IOT, in light of current recruitment trends.
You will still pass OASC if you are good enough - but to get a place you will have to compete with a lot more people than usual, which will mean going on a shortlist like me and just hoping someone better doesn't turn up before they make their decision!

What branches are you going for ? That could be the key to it.
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I'm too old for joining as an officer in the navy, but it certainly seems to have a better success rate amoungst my friends. Two people I know well and pretty similar in personality and background to me, both got in first time and have been told there start dates.

Would be great to hear of anyone who does get straight in and not short listed, I am beiginning to loose hope and that the situation can only get worse now the cuts are coming up.

keep focused and good luck guys
Lou x :rolleyes:
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(Original post by icklecathy)
You will still pass OASC if you are good enough - but to get a place you will have to compete with a lot more people than usual, which will mean going on a shortlist like me and just hoping someone better doesn't turn up before they make their decision!

What branches are you going for ? That could be the key to it.
I've applied for ATC, WSO, and INT

I think these branch choices will probably work against me, especially INT!
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I've applied for ATC, WSO, and INT

I think these branch choices will probably work against me, especially INT!

All of those require good apptitude scores. You can only do your best and see what happens :eek:
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What have you applied for? Do you have your OASC date yet?
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I've applied for ATC, WSO, and INT

I think these branch choices will probably work against me, especially INT!
ATC are still recruiting, WSO will be v.competitive. Don't think you have a hope with Int - there were 2 people at my OASC going for it, 1 has been shortlisted, the other got an outright rejection. There was 1 other who wanted to go for it when she failed the aptitude for Pilot but was told that there were no more vacanices and got persuaded to go for WSO (L) instead.

Chin up!
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I have no intention of accepting non-commissioned posts in the RAF, as far as I'm aware WSO (L) is in fact WSOp (L), meaning it's Weapon Systems Operator, not Officer. If I start getting people at OASC trying to persuade me to take a non-commissioned position, I'd be pretty annoyed.
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I have no intention of accepting non-commissioned posts in the RAF, as far as I'm aware WSO (L) is in fact WSOp (L), meaning it's Weapon Systems Operator, not Officer. If I start getting people at OASC trying to persuade me to take a non-commissioned position, I'd be pretty annoyed.
I wouldn't go with that atitude if I were you.

A couple of people at my OASC have ahd rejections suggesting they apply as airmen, and a coupe of people were persuaded to go for NCO positionsw hile they were there, either because there chosen branches were full, or because they didn't get the aptitude.

Either way, the RAF like to see a bit of commitment, and if you get visibly pissed off when they ask you if you would consider NCO you will get nowhere fast.
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js_atco,

Theres nothing wrong with only wanting to be an officer, as long as you don't get stroppy if they offer you a NCA role.

However, like whats already been mentioned, competition is high at the moment, so if you really do want to stick to your guns with the commission, then you should think of the possibility of waiting another year to have a crack at OASC, should you not get in this time.

All the best though

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js_atco,

Theres nothing wrong with only wanting to be an officer, as long as you don't get stroppy if they offer you a NCA role.

However, like whats already been mentioned, competition is high at the moment, so if you really do want to stick to your guns with the commission, then you should think of the possibility of waiting another year to have a crack at OASC, should you not get in this time.

All the best though

BC
Yeah don't get me wrong JS - I wouldn't join without a commission either, but just don't get pissed off with them if they mention it!
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(Original post by js_atco)
I have no intention of accepting non-commissioned posts in the RAF, as far as I'm aware WSO (L) is in fact WSOp (L), meaning it's Weapon Systems Operator, not Officer. If I start getting people at OASC trying to persuade me to take a non-commissioned position, I'd be pretty annoyed.
WSOp and WSO are two existing and different jobs.

WSOp (weapon systems operator (load master or Electronic Warfare/Acoustics), The names a bit missleading. This is not the person that you'd find tucked away in the back of a Tornado for instance. These people work on helicopter and multi engine aircraft as load masters or winch operator in the case of a WSOp (load master) or be part of the crew on an Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance aircraft, flying in a Nimrod MR2 or an E-3D Sentry in the case of a WSOp (Electronic Warfare/Acoustics) operating sonar or radar systems.

In constrast the guy you find the back of a Tornado is WSO, Weapon Systems Officer. Which is any role where you're a navigator, weapon systems operator, radio operator etc all in one.

WSOp are NCO's and WSO (as the name suggests) are commisioned.
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WSOp and WSO are two existing and different jobs.

WSOp (weapon systems operator (load master or Electronic Warfare/Acoustics), The names a bit missleading. This is not the person that you'd find tucked away in the back of a Tornado for instance. These people work on helicopter and multi engine aircraft as load masters or winch operator in the case of a WSOp (load master) or be part of the crew on an Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance aircraft, flying in a Nimrod MR2 or an E-3D Sentry in the case of a WSOp (Electronic Warfare/Acoustics) operating sonar or radar systems.

In constrast the guy you find the back of a Tornado is WSO, Weapon Systems Officer. Which is any role where you're a navigator, weapon systems operator, radio operator etc all in one.

WSOp are NCO's and WSO (as the name suggests) are commisioned.
Yes I appreciate the difference, it was just a typo in my original post. I will never again miss out that p
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np, typos are fine, just wanted to make sure no one was getting the two confused and thought they were going to a WSO when they were really going to be a WSOp. You might be a bit pissed off if you thought you were going to be an officer and then found out you weren't (I would be).
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I not going to get stroppy at OASC, BUT, they need to understand that I'm after a commission. There's all of this talk about being an Officer 1st, and a specialist in your branch choice 2nd. They tell you at AFCO that you'll be asked why you want to be an Officer in the RAF etc... But then they suggest you should be NC Aircrew, or an Airman?!?!

I am, and will be, committed to the RAF, provided they can offer me a commission. It can't be all take, take, take, and I'm sure they must understand this.
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