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Does any one know what the security check is about?

I wasn't born in the UK - I came here some years ago. I wish to apply to the Intelligence branch, but fear that I might not pass the security check.

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if its intelligence then they will do a security check on you for the past 10 years. You must have lived in countries with acessible government documents. It sort of conflicted though as they don't reall care about what you did before you were 16 either, just where your parents were.
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how come you droped officer? Does that mean you'll be a techniction now and not an engineer?
I just didn't feel ready to go into an organisation that I knew litle about and try to be a leader. I want to get my hands dirty at ground level and work my way up, learning as much as I can on my way.
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Cheers for that, also just wondering if anyone knows what other primary roles an officer has to do, apart from admin stuff and the training, welfare side of the people in your command?
And also what sort of admin stuff do they do?
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I just didn't feel ready to go into an organisation that I knew litle about and try to be a leader. I want to get my hands dirty at ground level and work my way up, learning as much as I can on my way.
Good a reason as any, and its still a good career eiether way.
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raf-froum.cjb.net. The one I helped set up and now I'm banned from it for having an opinion. ah well. So do you have a back up plan just in case? I still havent heard from AFCO yet. I have such itchy feet!
Hi sublime, just wanted to say Ryan banned me also for the same reasons as you!
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Hi sublime, just wanted to say Ryan banned me also for the same reasons as you!
yes I heard! power trip!
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yes I heard! power trip!
And I was nearly banned from what sublime told me.

Anways, hows your site planning getting on?
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I'll leave that to Wzz
How sweet of you.

It's a tricky one to answer; if you mean what's actually in the syllabi through the flying training system, you'll need to remember that there're no less than 10 depending on the route you can take, and they vary between 35 and 135 hours. Groundschool sections between each phase of training generally involve met, principles of flight, tech, avionics, plus some training in procedures and emergencies for your next aircraft.

Drop me an email if you want to know more about specific syllabi. You start with Elementary Flying Training, then it varies by stream. Fast jet guys do Basic Fast Jet Training, followed by Advanced Flying Training and then one of two Tactics and Weapons courses, before arriving at an Operational Conversion Unit. Multi Engine types do Multi-Engine Lead In, followed by the long course at the Multi Engine Training Squadron (or School, I forget). Rotary mates go through 3 squadrons, one from each service, doing single-engine rotary, basic and advanced, then advanced multi-engine rotary.
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And I was nearly banned from what sublime told me.

Anways, hows your site planning getting on?
What's going on?
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I just didn't feel ready to go into an organisation that I knew litle about and try to be a leader. I want to get my hands dirty at ground level and work my way up, learning as much as I can on my way.
I'm sure I made a post at some stage saying what a dangerous approach this was. There isn't a set facility to do this, it doesn't work that way. It's not like you work your way to a set rank, and then the next rank is Pilot Officer and you mysteriously grow a commission; the commissioned and non-commissioned sides of the forces are very distinct.

Instead of applying openly for a commission now while you can, you're effectively pushing yourself into a lower-paid lower-prestige job with no guarantee your future bosses will ever recommend you for a commission; and even if they do, you might be in an undermanned trade meaning they won't let you out to do it anyway.

As far as being a leader, the RAF isn't of the impression that you're a born leader straight out of the box; it's Initial Officer *Training* you'll go on after all. Then you'll do a hold to gain experience, then another 6 months of specialist training. During that you'll have plenty of practice of ALL the leadership, welfare and other things you'll be expected to do in your first job.

And even then, in your first posting you'll have an exceptionally experienced senior NCO as your number 2, and he's pretty much there to guide you through. He'll run everything while you find your feet, as befits his knowledge.

There's no job in the forces where you find yourself thrown in to "lead" without quite literally a year or two of practicing, learning and developing so that you're capable.

You're unlikely to get any respect for "getting your hands dirty" first either. Instead, you might find it difficult to make the flip to being an officer after 10 years of being a junior rank, especially when trying to run and discipline a section full of people like you used to be. More likely, you'll find that people think you're crazy to not have tried to be an officer when you're qualified.

Want some advice? Go to OASC. Tell them you want to be an officer, and when they ask what you'll do if you fail, tell them you'll join as an airman. If you get in, go to IOT and specialist training. If you ever fail, take the specialised advice available at the time, and you might find you end up as an airman anyway, but maybe a year down the line.

During that year you'll have gained some valuable experience of the other side of the fence, and earned an officer's salary.

On the other hand if you make it, you might find that you're actually a very capable junior officer, and will be wondering how things might have turned out if you were crazy enough to give up on that chance because you weren't sure.

You're not a recruiter, selector or trainer; let them decide whether you've got what it takes. Call your AFCO today and tell them you want to go to OASC.
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Drop me an email if you want to know more about specific syllabi. You start with Elementary Flying Training, then it varies by stream.
How can i get hold of you for more info, if possible i would like to know about all the syllabi? Also could you please clarify what primary and secondary roles an officer has to carry out, in relation to a question i may get asked at oasc?
Thanks very much, all your help would be very much appreciated
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What's going on?
Rayn86 is on a power trip and banned me and other mods from our own forum :rolleyes:
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I'm sure I made a post at some stage saying what a dangerous approach this was. There isn't a set facility to do this, it doesn't work that way. It's not like you work your way to a set rank, and then the next rank is Pilot Officer and you mysteriously grow a commission; the commissioned and non-commissioned sides of the forces are very distinct.

Instead of applying openly for a commission now while you can, you're effectively pushing yourself into a lower-paid lower-prestige job with no guarantee your future bosses will ever recommend you for a commission; and even if they do, you might be in an undermanned trade meaning they won't let you out to do it anyway.

As far as being a leader, the RAF isn't of the impression that you're a born leader straight out of the box; it's Initial Officer *Training* you'll go on after all. Then you'll do a hold to gain experience, then another 6 months of specialist training. During that you'll have plenty of practice of ALL the leadership, welfare and other things you'll be expected to do in your first job.

And even then, in your first posting you'll have an exceptionally experienced senior NCO as your number 2, and he's pretty much there to guide you through. He'll run everything while you find your feet, as befits his knowledge.

There's no job in the forces where you find yourself thrown in to "lead" without quite literally a year or two of practicing, learning and developing so that you're capable.

You're unlikely to get any respect for "getting your hands dirty" first either. Instead, you might find it difficult to make the flip to being an officer after 10 years of being a junior rank, especially when trying to run and discipline a section full of people like you used to be. More likely, you'll find that people think you're crazy to not have tried to be an officer when you're qualified.

Want some advice? Go to OASC. Tell them you want to be an officer, and when they ask what you'll do if you fail, tell them you'll join as an airman. If you get in, go to IOT and specialist training. If you ever fail, take the specialised advice available at the time, and you might find you end up as an airman anyway, but maybe a year down the line.

During that year you'll have gained some valuable experience of the other side of the fence, and earned an officer's salary.

On the other hand if you make it, you might find that you're actually a very capable junior officer, and will be wondering how things might have turned out if you were crazy enough to give up on that chance because you weren't sure.

You're not a recruiter, selector or trainer; let them decide whether you've got what it takes. Call your AFCO today and tell them you want to go to OASC.
OASC and AFCO have tried to tlak me out of it but I'm sure I want to go trades. I have already talked about doing an engineering degree with the RAF. It's not realy about becoming officer at some stage, it's just that I want to know that my career can always progress to places. I already passed my filter int for officer and was given my OASC date before I withdrew. I'm happy with the decision I made Thanks for the advice though
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OASC and AFCO have tried to tlak me out of it but I'm sure I want to go trades. I have already talked about doing an engineering degree with the RAF. It's not realy about becoming officer at some stage, it's just that I want to know that my career can always progress to places. I already passed my filter int for officer and was given my OASC date before I withdrew. I'm happy with the decision I made Thanks for the advice though
Some sound advice from Wzz though.

PS. Anyone going to OASC on 7th Sept? Haven't found anyone yet, think I might be on my own :-(
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How sweet of you.

It's a tricky one to answer; if you mean what's actually in the syllabi through the flying training system, you'll need to remember that there're no less than 10 depending on the route you can take, and they vary between 35 and 135 hours. Groundschool sections between each phase of training generally involve met, principles of flight, tech, avionics, plus some training in procedures and emergencies for your next aircraft.

Drop me an email if you want to know more about specific syllabi. You start with Elementary Flying Training, then it varies by stream. Fast jet guys do Basic Fast Jet Training, followed by Advanced Flying Training and then one of two Tactics and Weapons courses, before arriving at an Operational Conversion Unit. Multi Engine types do Multi-Engine Lead In, followed by the long course at the Multi Engine Training Squadron (or School, I forget). Rotary mates go through 3 squadrons, one from each service, doing single-engine rotary, basic and advanced, then advanced multi-engine rotary.
Hey jamesfyvie, AFCO have a careers data sheet titled 'Pilot' which you may be interested in. There is a large sub section titled 'Pilot Training Pattern' which has all the details Wzz is telling you about above.
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Icklecathy doesn't want to be a Pilot!

Not long now is it Icklecathy? Is it this week or next when you find out whether you're in?

I'm going for a 2 day visit to Shawbury this week to visit CATCS - should be plenty of meat for OASC. Had my visit to Waddington last week cancelled, due to staff shortages and 'increased NATO commitments'. Slightly annoying, but I wasn't surprised. :rolleyes:
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Icklecathy doesn't want to be a Pilot!

Not long now is it Icklecathy? Is it this week or next when you find out whether you're in?

I'm going for a 2 day visit to Shawbury this week to visit CATCS - should be plenty of meat for OASC. Had my visit to Waddington last week cancelled, due to staff shortages and 'increased NATO commitments'. Slightly annoying, but I wasn't surprised. :rolleyes:
Lol, and even if I did (because I did pass the aptitude ), i'm too short and not heavy enough!!

The meeting is this Thursday and I reckon I should hear within a week of that.

Have fun at Shawbury
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I really need to get back up to afco, quals in hand and face my nemesis, proove to her I aint some thicky from Fife and show ive a genuine interest.
Im still smarting after last time though.
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I really need to get back up to afco, quals in hand and face my nemesis, proove to her I aint some thicky from Fife and show ive a genuine interest.
Im still smarting after last time though.
what happened last time?
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She didn't feel I was qualified enough and kept trying to discourage me, she had a habit of saying its going to be so very very dificault, she only really concentrated on Scottish standard grades and ignored my degree (someone posted that anyone can get a degree, but with the one ive got, if you cant grasp computing programming or management ideologies your buggered). That's what got me the most.
She talked about debating clubs, all well and good but if one exists in my area, I'd be impressed.
I understand the raf are very pro sports, but about the person that doesn't enjoy sports much, I mean a game of football just doesn't appeal one bit to me. I'd play badminton but clubs just don't seem to exist in fife and the support in Scotland for it is much lower then in England, so only choice would be to take a friend willing to play
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