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Does anyone know what to do if you are wanting the RAF to sponsor you to become a medical officer? I've sent away for an information pack but it's still not in

What do I need to qualify as a Medical Officer? What is the 24 week course comprised off?

Im also not the most healthy person in the world, 6 ft, 15 stone with toned arm and leg muscles but a fat gut. I have decent stamina but I cant run for the life of me... In the old part of Fight or Flight, I'd end up fighting :rolleyes:

McGeadie

I'm just at the beginning of the scholarship awards process for medical officer, but a very useful site for you to look at would be www.rafcareers.com

There are different types of award you can apply for depending on your age, but the RAF site will explain all this, along with details of the shortened course for professionally qualified applicants.

You have to really want to join the RAF, not just see it as an easy option to get in to med school, because you will have to dedicate a number of years to a military organisation, and have to be very keen on pursuing a military lifestyle.

If you're really serious I would advise you to work on your fitness, because if you know you don't meet the minimum standards and don't do anything about it, this may show a lack of real commitment to an RAF career.

You could also talk to your local AFCO, I found them to be extremely helpful and informative - again you can look up your nearest one on the internet.

Hope this is helpful, but other more experienced RAF candidates/Officers/employees on the site may be able to give you better advice.
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Thank you very much, I've seen the site before but I found it a bit vague on the actual fitness required. Personally, a career as a GDMO in the RAF would be perfect for me, I've always wanted to go into the military but Ive also got the same drive to do medicine as well.

I have been working on my fitness and it's improving, but I have no set target yet, I have no proper goals to achieve in it, so if anyone knows the exact details of how fit I've got to be and what type of tests I'll be expected to perform to show my fitness please explain it to me.
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Thank you very much, I've seen the site before but I found it a bit vague on the actual fitness required. Personally, a career as a GDMO in the RAF would be perfect for me, I've always wanted to go into the military but Ive also got the same drive to do medicine as well.

I have been working on my fitness and it's improving, but I have no set target yet, I have no proper goals to achieve in it, so if anyone knows the exact details of how fit I've got to be and what type of tests I'll be expected to perform to show my fitness please explain it to me.
If you read the earlier pages in this thread you will probably find all you need to know re male fitness levels (although this may take you a few hours!!). I would suggest you don't just want to reach the minimum required, but perform to the absolute best of your ability.

What award level are you applying for/how old are you?
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I sent this off to a candidate a while back, but my view of OASC has dipped even lower since then so now i think everybody should get a look.

INTERVIEW SPOILER

Ok, you get two boarding officers interviewing you. One of whom will pick you up from reception and give you a brief talk about the interview on the way to the room, where he wil introduce his colleage. The first half is personal family/education/work/sports/hobbies history, the second is RAF knowledge/motivation and current affairs. This as much as i can remember is a list of the questions i was asked.

What is your date of birth?
How old does that make you in years and months?
Where do you live?
How long have you been there?
Did you have any particular problems growing up with your parents? (what he was getting at is emotional family stuff, they want to know you had a stable upbringing.)
How do your parents feel about joining the RAF?
Are you in a relationship?
How does she feel about your joining the RAF?
How many GCSE's did you get?
How many A levels did you get?
Looking back, how do you feel about the results you got?
What opportunities at school (up to the age of 16) did you have for joining Air Cadets or Army Cadets or Sea cadets?
What opportunities at school did you have for travel?
What opportunties at school did you have to join clubs?
What sports if any did you play with the school?
What organisations or schemes (i.e. Duke of Edinburgh Award etc) were you involved with at school?
What was involved with your D of E Award?
What sports were you involved with outside of school?
What else were you involved with out of school?
What university did you attend?
And what was the result of your degree?
How do you feel about that result?
**Same questions about sport and club involvment but now at university.
What if any, leadership roles did you have during this time?
What opportunities have you had to travel, either with you family or by yourself?
What employment did you have whilst you were at school?
At university?
Between University and now?
On to the second bloke.
So why do you want to join the RAF?
You've chosen Pilot, Intelligence and WSO, what are your reasons for chosing these branches in particular?
So you've been accepted, how does your training start and where?
And then?
**he will pick on one or more of your branches ask you to run through the training including duration and places or pick one point out in detail**
Given that i was going for pilot he asked;
What Aircraft do the RAF operate?
Where is that based? (picked couple at random)
What new aircraft are the RAF getting?
What new capabilities are the RAF getting? (he was talking about ASTOR (Airborne StandOff Radar) for battle field surveillance)
Where does the RAF have permanent bases overseas?
If you were unsuccessful in your application, what do you plan to do?
Having put on a uniform, you are now a target. How do you feel about that?
Give me some headlines that have grabbed your attention from around the world? (have enough to reel off at him till he stops you because they will wait to see when you stop and thus if you have just learnt a few for this occasion)
**he will go into detail about one or more of these, i had Isreal and the failed road map to peace**
So what would be your 'road map to peace'?
What roll if any do you think NATO plays or should play in the world since the fall of the Soviet Union?
Give me some news stories that have struck you recently at home? (again, be able to reel off a **** load, make him stop you. Go for a wide range of topics but be able to back them up with some understanding just the same as world topics)

Then the 'Standard' questions (he may pretend to read them off a card) dont let you guard down, these count too.
If you failed in gaining a commission, would you be interested in a NCO position?
We realise that in this day and age many of are younger applicants may have had some experience with drugs. What if any contact have you had with drugs?
Have you ever used drugs yourself?
We operate a random drugs testing program in the RAF how do you feel about that?
Do you feel that infringes on peoples privacy?
What are your veiws on drug taking within the armed forces?
What are you view on drug taking in the general population?
Have you ever faced a criminal conviction/ had a/ have a outstanding court order on you etc etc.?
Erm.... thats pretty much it. I think you get the gist of it from this. Understyand that this was my interview and some stuff will be quite diffeent from yours, for exampl, as you are not going for quite such a technical branch as i was going for, then on the RAF knowledge bit they may ask you more about RAF organisatio/ joint operations etc. The interview is 45 mins. It will go FAST. Don't get nervous, try to sound cheerful and eager. Two girls got cut very fast because they were nervous. The rooms are quite small, you are only a couple of meters away from the two interviewers and there is a table between you, so its not like you are on a chair out in the middle of a big room or anything. If your hand tend to shake or you fiddle with your hair or anything like that when your nervous then keep the bloody things firmly in place on your lap. Probably not meant to give out the format of the interview like i just have, but sod them, they didn't do me any favours so im very keen that at least somebody should benefit from my experience.
On the rail warrent question, go to the ticket office of the station you are traveling from, same day will do, i did mine 20 mins before my train. They should know what to do with it. They will gove you two single tickets, one there, one for three days later, that date should be on the warrant. On the return ticket it will say 'valid until **/**' so even if you get cut as early as i did, you will still be able to use that ticket to get home. Ok hope that has helped. Anything else just gimmie a shout.
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Joining the RAF isn't as easy as i thought it would be :rolleyes:

I intend joining the RAF Trades, i'm looking at anything i can apply for with the grades i got from school/college. I didn't expect the interviews in particular to be so thorough. Like for example current affairs, the only news i read is on page3 of the sun. But seriously, i rarely read the news because a majority of it i feel is just a pile of tripe. Looks like i got alot of reading to do.

Is the process for joining the RAF Trades similar to that of someone wanting to join as an officer. (I'm guessing it isn't :cool: )

Great post BUMPFFICHH, thats going to help alot of people.
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I sent this off to a candidate a while back, but my view of OASC has dipped even lower since then so now i think everybody should get a look.

INTERVIEW SPOILER

Ok, you get two boarding officers interviewing you. One of whom will pick you up from reception and give you a brief talk about the interview on the way to the room, where he wil introduce his colleage. The first half is personal family/education/work/sports/hobbies history, the second is RAF knowledge/motivation and current affairs. This as much as i can remember is a list of the questions i was asked.

What is your date of birth?
How old does that make you in years and months?
Where do you live?
How long have you been there?
Did you have any particular problems growing up with your parents? (what he was getting at is emotional family stuff, they want to know you had a stable upbringing.)
How do your parents feel about joining the RAF?
Are you in a relationship?
How does she feel about your joining the RAF?
How many GCSE's did you get?
How many A levels did you get?
Looking back, how do you feel about the results you got?
What opportunities at school (up to the age of 16) did you have for joining Air Cadets or Army Cadets or Sea cadets?
What opportunities at school did you have for travel?
What opportunties at school did you have to join clubs?
What sports if any did you play with the school?
What organisations or schemes (i.e. Duke of Edinburgh Award etc) were you involved with at school?
What was involved with your D of E Award?
What sports were you involved with outside of school?
What else were you involved with out of school?
What university did you attend?
And what was the result of your degree?
How do you feel about that result?
**Same questions about sport and club involvment but now at university.
What if any, leadership roles did you have during this time?
What opportunities have you had to travel, either with you family or by yourself?
What employment did you have whilst you were at school?
At university?
Between University and now?
On to the second bloke.
So why do you want to join the RAF?
You've chosen Pilot, Intelligence and WSO, what are your reasons for chosing these branches in particular?
So you've been accepted, how does your training start and where?
And then?
**he will pick on one or more of your branches ask you to run through the training including duration and places or pick one point out in detail**
Given that i was going for pilot he asked;
What Aircraft do the RAF operate?
Where is that based? (picked couple at random)
What new aircraft are the RAF getting?
What new capabilities are the RAF getting? (he was talking about ASTOR (Airborne StandOff Radar) for battle field surveillance)
Where does the RAF have permanent bases overseas?
If you were unsuccessful in your application, what do you plan to do?
Having put on a uniform, you are now a target. How do you feel about that?
Give me some headlines that have grabbed your attention from around the world? (have enough to reel off at him till he stops you because they will wait to see when you stop and thus if you have just learnt a few for this occasion)
**he will go into detail about one or more of these, i had Isreal and the failed road map to peace**
So what would be your 'road map to peace'?
What roll if any do you think NATO plays or should play in the world since the fall of the Soviet Union?
Give me some news stories that have struck you recently at home? (again, be able to reel off a **** load, make him stop you. Go for a wide range of topics but be able to back them up with some understanding just the same as world topics)

Then the 'Standard' questions (he may pretend to read them off a card) dont let you guard down, these count too.
If you failed in gaining a commission, would you be interested in a NCO position?
We realise that in this day and age many of are younger applicants may have had some experience with drugs. What if any contact have you had with drugs?
Have you ever used drugs yourself?
We operate a random drugs testing program in the RAF how do you feel about that?
Do you feel that infringes on peoples privacy?
What are your veiws on drug taking within the armed forces?
What are you view on drug taking in the general population?
Have you ever faced a criminal conviction/ had a/ have a outstanding court order on you etc etc.?
Erm.... thats pretty much it. I think you get the gist of it from this. Understyand that this was my interview and some stuff will be quite diffeent from yours, for exampl, as you are not going for quite such a technical branch as i was going for, then on the RAF knowledge bit they may ask you more about RAF organisatio/ joint operations etc. The interview is 45 mins. It will go FAST. Don't get nervous, try to sound cheerful and eager. Two girls got cut very fast because they were nervous. The rooms are quite small, you are only a couple of meters away from the two interviewers and there is a table between you, so its not like you are on a chair out in the middle of a big room or anything. If your hand tend to shake or you fiddle with your hair or anything like that when your nervous then keep the bloody things firmly in place on your lap. Probably not meant to give out the format of the interview like i just have, but sod them, they didn't do me any favours so im very keen that at least somebody should benefit from my experience.
On the rail warrent question, go to the ticket office of the station you are traveling from, same day will do, i did mine 20 mins before my train. They should know what to do with it. They will gove you two single tickets, one there, one for three days later, that date should be on the warrant. On the return ticket it will say 'valid until **/**' so even if you get cut as early as i did, you will still be able to use that ticket to get home. Ok hope that has helped. Anything else just gimmie a shout.
WOW - this is fantastic help for all us newbies currently going through the process - Many thanks

How did you get on by the way? From your post you don't sound too pleased
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RE: NC Aircrew

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Hi I have got a few questions regarding RAF recruitment I wonder if someone can help me with:

1. Why is the starting salary for NC aircrew higher than an Officer?
2. Is there strong competition for the WSO (electronic warfair) NC Aircrew branch?
3. What exactly NC aircrew means? As opposed to being an officer?
4. How much money an Officer or NC Aircrew recieves while training?

Thanks to anyone who can help.

________________________________ ________________________________ _

I went through OASC at the beginning of this month and have been accepted as NCA (non-commissioned aircrew). Bear in mind though that all NCA are accepted as the generic WSOp and are streamed through basic training to speacialisation.

1. Bear in mind that NCA do not start on £27,000, its more around £12,000 for the first 19 weeks. Through speacialist training its around £20,000. This training takes around 1 year and then it goes up to £27,000 on qualification and posting to OCU.
2. In terms of competition - yes. As with all aircrew branches NCA is very competative, especially as the RAF has cutback on the amount of pilots it is recruiting this year as well as reduced compliment of rear crew, hence new equipment such as the Nimrod MRA 4 (reduced crew and less aircraft). In my board of 22 about 17 were going for NCA. The RAF goes through about 2-3 boards per week. Also, the RAF only has about 160 NCA in training at any one time and as training (including holidays) takes about 2 years I guess about 60 - 80 are recruited each year. In terms of selection the jobs are there for the right people so be yourself at OASC.
3. I guess that the difference between NCA and commissioned aircrew merely reflects the range of tasks and responsibilities carried out between the two. Pilots and WSOs manage the NCA.

Hope this has been of some use. A lot of useful information can be gained from the following websites:
www.raf.mod.uk
www.rafcareers.co.uk
www.airmenaircrew.freeserve.co.uk
Any questions / info to [email protected].
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thanks for your help nash qc
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QUOTEPilots and WSOs manage the NCA.
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NCA Line Managers are either Commissioned Officers or Master Aircrew (W.O.s) of the same branch. The Commissioned side of this is disappearing in favour of MACR / MALM doing the job. In the past there was potential to go through the Commissioned route from NCA. There have never been any Direct Entry Commissions into ALM/AEOp, all applicants came from NCA.
HTH, I have edited this message as I thought it sounded a bit harsh. That's what I get for posting at 3am directly from the pub.
Hope nobody was offended?
For a good example of the difference between holding a Commission and being Non-Commissioned think of a company director v. shop steward.
Officers / SNCOs are leaders, yes, but Officers are implementors of policy too.
Wzz, you're probably reading this and tutting at me, over to you for your definition. :cool:
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It's great to read that so many of you are aiming to join the RAF, whether as pilots or other commissioned branches. However, please be very careful of taking advice from forums such as this. I was an RAF recruitment officer up until I left the RAF in July 2004 and some of the advice I have read in the forums is scarily wrong. :eek: Other people's experiences are always valuable to know about but bare in mind that that is exactly what they are: other people's experiences. Your experience of the application process, including OASC, will be unique to yourself. If you have any queries regarding entry into the RAF please contact your local Armed Forces Careers Office (preferably go in in person, they are all well situated in town/city centres) or visit the RAF website. Good Luck to you all.
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Hey Wzz, how much maths and what sort of math do you need to know for your job?
Mental arithmetic is more important than anything else. A knowledge of physics helps with aircrew groundschool.
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Anybody know how many pilot bursaries are awarded to first year student applicants? Also say there are twenty bursary places would they allocate a certain amount for people applying during year one of uni?
No, if they had 20 bursaries they'd give them away to the best 20 applicants. They might look at offering direct entry places to guys in their final years, but you must have a minimum of 4 terms left at university to qualify for a bursary anyway, so that sort of covers that.
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Wzz, you're probably reading this and tutting at me, over to you for your definition. :cool:
I don't work with WSOps, so I won't comment on their reporting chain or anything like that. And the definition of officer vs NCO is a little simplistic in your post to say the least! It's a very complicated subject; and anyone who's seen jobs in the forces which often have rather young officers working with exceptionally experienced NCOs knows it's not that simple.
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I was an RAF recruitment officer up until I left the RAF in July 2004 and some of the advice I have read in the forums is scarily wrong.
Could you be more specific? Feel free to drop me a private message if anything I've been saying is no longer the case; as I've mentioned several dozen times on this thread it's been a few years at least since I had much to do with recruiting, and I'd welcome being corrected.

Regardless, I'll be happy to see someone else from the RAF contributing here. It'll make this thread feel less like a personal crusade
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[QUOTE=ex-recruiter] I was an RAF recruitment officer up until I left the RAF in July 2004 and some of the advice I have read in the forums is scarily wrong. :eek: /QUOTE]


I'm a little worried now. Please could you point out any bits of advice which you think may be totally inaccurate/sending us down the wrong track?
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Hey all,

Does anybody know if the salte is whiped clean each time when u go 2 OASC or do your pervious mistakes get carried over n held against you, if not in polocy in the point of view of the recruiter??

hope that makes some sence to somebody out there hahaha :rolleyes:

grantful for your reply
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Hey all,

Does anybody know if the salte is whiped clean each time when u go 2 OASC or do your pervious mistakes get carried over n held against you, if not in polocy in the point of view of the recruiter??

hope that makes some sence to somebody out there hahaha :rolleyes:

grantful for your reply
Phil

Philos, have you been drinking?
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It's great to read that so many of you are aiming to join the RAF, whether as pilots or other commissioned branches. However, please be very careful of taking advice from forums such as this. I was an RAF recruitment officer up until I left the RAF in July 2004 and some of the advice I have read in the forums is scarily wrong. :eek: Other people's experiences are always valuable to know about but bare in mind that that is exactly what they are: other people's experiences. Your experience of the application process, including OASC, will be unique to yourself. If you have any queries regarding entry into the RAF please contact your local Armed Forces Careers Office (preferably go in in person, they are all well situated in town/city centres) or visit the RAF website. Good Luck to you all.
haha I knew it! Losers.
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haha I knew it! Losers.

For God's sake - GROW UP
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For God's sake - GROW UP
Sorry if the truth hurts.
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