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    (Original post by Philos)
    dont know if any of you can help but if you have been to say an "unsocialble" location on holiday will it effect you chances of being in the RAF, for example would a communist state such as Cuba effect entrance into RAF. Would a visit to Turkey be a problem as the Greeks and Turks arnt best of friends and if you were to be posted to cyprus and you had a Turkish stamp in your passport would the Greeks allow you to serve??
    Nope. Who cares what the Greeks want? If you get posted to Akrotiri you're working for the British.

    Once commissioned, you'll need a security brief if you want to go somewhere like Cuba or Ireland or some dodgy states somewhere. If you've worked somewhere odd for a while, you'll declare it for your security clearance initially.
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    (Original post by ally_n_2000)
    I have a couple of questions, the firts is related to the OASC as so many questions are. The whole process lasts about 3 days, if you get through the various interviews/test. Are these days back to back, i.e. do you have to go home and come back after each day. Do they provide accomodation?
    You stay there.

    (Original post by ally_n_2000)
    The next question is about the lifestyle, something that is not talked about to much. I want to be a WSOp (acoustics), the nimrods are based at Kinloss, so i guess after all the training i would be there. firstly is all the training at Cranwell for this branch??
    Airman aircrew initial training is done at Cranwell. You don't go through Halton along with other airman recruits, but do the AAITC as A Squadron on OACTU; B, C and D Squadrons do the IOT courses.

    You graduate as a sergeant and go to 55(R) Sqn at Cranwell for initial rearcrew training. Nikki's given you some links that probably know more than I do about how long training is. And yes, Nimrods live at Kinloss so you're there, unless you find a way onto a Nimrod R1 at Waddington, or unless there's some space for your branch on ASTOR.

    (Original post by ally_n_2000)
    Would it be a 9-5 kinda job (obviously i know it isnt) would you be made to work abroad? or work elsewhere e.t.c.
    You can be made to work pretty much anywhere; be it a holding job, a short detachment, a longer detachment, or a 3 year posting. You could be given an exchange, or whatever. As a Nimrod crewmate, you'll be off on dets a fair bit, but I don't think there're many overseas permanent jobs for airman aircrew.
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    (Original post by Wzz)
    Soja, you can't tick the commissioned warrant officer box as you're not a warrant officer. There's a short (a week, I think...!) course for warrant officers with specific experience and qualifications to gain a commission. They pass out as Flight Lieutenants.

    If you want to be an officer, you're presumably applying for a commission; if you're filling out the application, you presumably also know what job you'd like?
    Having read that again in the correct context, it all seem to make a bit more sense. Sorry If I doled out bum info.
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    (Original post by Wzz)
    Well
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    No, it's the same for everyone; at least it was when I left. Part 1 of selection, 2 weeks' adventurous training at Grantown on Spey or Fairbourne, then part 2 when you're approaching your IOT date or fancy an upgrade to a bursary.
    Yes, they all do part 1, but not all branches go on to do part 2 e.g. medical who are automatically awarded a bursary (if successful at OASC for 6FS) and then only have a specialist interview for cadetship.

    (Original post by Wzz)
    You may notice on another read that our friend Peegee didn't mention whether or not he passed the first time
    But he did in an earlier post (1358 page 68) or certainly implied it when he said

    (Original post by peegee)
    Good news from OASC. . . finally got my Pilot Scholarship through!
    Surely he can't have been awarded a pilot scholarship if he hadn't been successful in at least part 1 of OASC? :confused: Hence my confusion as to why he would be going back to do part 1.
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    ....... which has now triply confused me. I'm going to OASC next week, I think I'll pop down the back and see if anyone can shed some light!
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    Is it true to say that it is substantially easier to be commisioned into the army than the RAF? surely there is less competition and more demand for officers as well as less difficulty in the job?
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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    I don't think the majority of people going for 6FS have said it will be easy; If I recall it was a single comment made by someone very new to the site.

    The explanation provided re the selection procedure for 6FS is quite confusing and is not the same for all branches (though it might be the case for pilot scholarships). My understanding (through speaking to AFCO and reading the literature provided) is that 6FS people do not do part 2 of selection, although they are required to attend a 2 week summer camp. However, this does not form part of the selection process as they have already been selected;it is more on the lines of an adventurous training camp. Perhaps the procedure is very different depending what job you are going for. :confused:

    Why would you be going back to do part 1 again and then onto part 2 if you've already been awarded a pilot scholarship; or is it just me that doesn't understand?!! :confused:
    I didnt say it wasnt someone 'new' to the site, only answering a statment. Everyone doing the sixth form scholarship redoes pt1, as if applying direct entrant at a later date. You completley redo application, from medical forms to 'application for service...' and 'application raf commission...' The course u talk of 'preparation for leadership' is two weeks and at granton on spey, and is not pass/fail, to the best of my knowledge.
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    And for the record - and we all love the record, right? - i did pass pt1 the first time, but thats all thats done on the initial visit to OASC for sixth form scholarship candidates.
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    (Original post by flashman)
    Is it true to say that it is substantially easier to be commisioned into the army than the RAF? surely there is less competition and more demand for officers as well as less difficulty in the job?
    I guess that's just a matter of opinion. Granted, there are less 'technical' jobs in the Army than the RAF, but ask any Army officer and he'll undoubtedly say that it's tougher to get in the Army. Similarly any RAF or Royal Navy officer would state that they have a more stringent criteria. Most (but by no means all) of the Army officers are initially at "teeth arms" units (infantry, armour,artillery) before seniority puts them behind a permanent desk somewhere.

    Just look at the ratios for an indication of competition: RAF is approx 1 officer to 7 Other Ranks, whereas the Army ratio is nearer 1:9.

    Having said that, the Army have lower age limits for commissioning in just about all of their Regt/Corps; typically 29 years as an absolute max for Direct Entry, even from the ranks.

    As for difficulty... I guess that's all relative. The selection process is almost identical, as is the IOT. From there it gets specialised. But as an example, an infantry officer will go through similar training to an RAF Regt officer, but with more emphasis on tactics, battle drills etc. Similarly an Engineering Officer in the Army will undergo similar training and require similar skills to his counterpart in the RAF. The only difference in all cases is the environment in which they are employed.
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    (Original post by REME-Bod)
    I guess that's just a matter of opinion. Granted, there are less 'technical' jobs in the Army than the RAF, but ask any Army officer and he'll undoubtedly say that it's tougher to get in the Army. Similarly any RAF or Royal Navy officer would state that they have a more stringent criteria. Most (but by no means all) of the Army officers are initially at "teeth arms" units (infantry, armour,artillery) before seniority puts them behind a permanent desk somewhere.

    Just look at the ratios for an indication of competition: RAF is approx 1 officer to 7 Other Ranks, whereas the Army ratio is nearer 1:9.

    Having said that, the Army have lower age limits for commissioning in just about all of their Regt/Corps; typically 29 years as an absolute max for Direct Entry, even from the ranks.

    As for difficulty... I guess that's all relative. The selection process is almost identical, as is the IOT. From there it gets specialised. But as an example, an infantry officer will go through similar training to an RAF Regt officer, but with more emphasis on tactics, battle drills etc. Similarly an Engineering Officer in the Army will undergo similar training and require similar skills to his counterpart in the RAF. The only difference in all cases is the environment in which they are employed.
    Strange,I would have though that the RAF would be much more demanding when it came to aptitude tests etc. Is there more emphasis on background of applicants when it comes to army officers? Im told the RAF aren't that descriminate, is it much different with the army these days?
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    (Original post by flashman)
    Strange,I would have though that the RAF would be much more demanding when it came to aptitude tests etc. Is there more emphasis on background of applicants when it comes to army officers? Im told the RAF aren't that descriminate, is it much different with the army these days?
    The Army's Regular Commissioning Board (RCB) is fundamentally the same as OASC, but without the aptitude test. The medical isn't as stringent either, for obvious reasons. The leadership tasks, group discussions, group written appreciations, are all the same. In addition, the RCB has essays, presentations, and a little more emphasis on physical ability.

    As far as background goes, the Army will tell you that they're an Equal Opportunities employer and it would be very cynical of me to think that they would look at class status of applicants. That's the official party line, but I can't honestly say I've ever met a Guards or Cavalry Officer who's father is a dustbin man, and I know of a few people who have been passed over for promotion who were not (coincidentally, I hasten to add) of the landed gentry or aristocracy. Bear in mind though that the Army is made up of a lot of different Regt/Corps with a lot of officers from all walks of life.

    I'm sure you can draw your own conclusions from that little lot.

    The RAF are NOT that discriminate, because they too are an EO employer and to discriminate (positively or negatively) would be illegal.
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    (Original post by REME-Bod)
    Just look at the ratios for an indication of competition: RAF is approx 1 officer to 7 Other Ranks, whereas the Army ratio is nearer 1:9.
    Remember though that the RAF is fairly unique in being the service that sends its officers to war at the head. While a platoon in combat is lead by a Lieutenant or whoever manning at that 1:9 ratio (probably), the guys entering combat in the RAF are almost exclusively fast jet aircrew.

    (Original post by REME-Bod)
    As for difficulty... I guess that's all relative. The selection process is almost identical, as is the IOT.
    I always got the impression that other services had more awkward officer training courses to us. However, there's no blanket specialisation in the RAF. Sandhurst has to be a year long because every officer is expected to be an adequate infanteer when he or she leaves (obviously those off to infantry regiments will do PCBC etc), likewise almost every RN graduate is a surface warfare officer or at least understands the principles of surface warfare.

    If you have 20% of the people on your IOT as pilots, it's daft to do centralised training as per the other services when they're looking at another 6 years' professional training.
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    (Original post by peegee)
    I didnt say it wasnt someone 'new' to the site, only answering a statment. Everyone doing the sixth form scholarship redoes pt1, as if applying direct entrant at a later date. You completley redo application, from medical forms to 'application for service...' and 'application raf commission...' The course u talk of 'preparation for leadership' is two weeks and at granton on spey, and is not pass/fail, to the best of my knowledge.
    Suddenly everything makes sense. Your first part 1, according to the pamphlet I just found, earns you your sponsorship and nothing else. Then for entry you repeat selection.

    Then it chats about medics and the other professions.
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    (Original post by Wzz)
    Suddenly everything makes sense. Your first part 1, according to the pamphlet I just found, earns you your sponsorship and nothing else. Then for entry you repeat selection.

    Then it chats about medics and the other professions.
    Thats exactly it. Which was something i wasnt expecting afterwards! The entire form, references, gp's medical checks, et all is repeated, and you effectivly go back into the stream of candidates applying for uni bursarys or direct entrant.

    I dont know when i'm going to do the preparation for leadership course, but from the responses of one person coming back it is 'nowhere near as hard as anyone thought it would be'. Im going back to OASC mid Jan for anyone thats up there.
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    (Original post by Wzz)
    Remember though that the RAF is fairly unique in being the service that sends its officers to war at the head. While a platoon in combat is lead by a Lieutenant or whoever manning at that 1:9 ratio (probably), the guys entering combat in the RAF are almost exclusively fast jet aircrew.
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    (Original post by Wzz)
    I always got the impression that other services had more awkward officer training courses to us. However, there's no blanket specialisation in the RAF. Sandhurst has to be a year long because every officer is expected to be an adequate infanteer when he or she leaves (obviously those off to infantry regiments will do PCBC etc.
    True again, but that works on the principle of soldier first, tradesman second, which is the same for soldiers and OR's. Even though there's no blanket specialisation in the RAF, every recruit, regardless of career path must surely go through training to gain basic military skills; all of which are predominantly infantry based.

    (Original post by Wzz)
    If you have 20% of the people on your IOT as pilots, it's daft to do centralised training as per the other services when they're looking at another 6 years' professional training.
    I agree. My point was that IOT is similar to Sandhurst, in so much that it gives the core skills and is generic to all branches including the 80% who are not pilots.
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    (Original post by peegee)
    I didnt say it wasnt someone 'new' to the site, only answering a statment. Everyone doing the sixth form scholarship redoes pt1, as if applying direct entrant at a later date. You completley redo application, from medical forms to 'application for service...' and 'application raf commission...' The course u talk of 'preparation for leadership' is two weeks and at granton on spey, and is not pass/fail, to the best of my knowledge.

    My apologies if I caused any offence that wasn't my intention. I just wanted to clarify my own position re 6FS and the selection process
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    Two Questions:Firstly is the Pilot Scholarship done under the Sixth Form Sponsorship now so that applicants for either will be going at the same time to OASC? And secondly are there IQ tests in the aptitude tests?
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    (Original post by Rab)
    Two Questions:Firstly is the Pilot Scholarship done under the Sixth Form Sponsorship now so that applicants for either will be going at the same time to OASC? And secondly are there IQ tests in the aptitude tests?
    Pilot Scholarship has been swallowed up into 6th form scholarship as of this year, pretty much cos they dont need it as there isnt a shortage of people wanting to be pilots. IQ tests no.....its not a 7 hour version of "test the nation"....but there are puzzle solving questions but all aviation based

    Hope that helps

    Phil
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    (Original post by REME-Bod)
    True again, but that works on the principle of soldier first, tradesman second, which is the same for soldiers and OR's. Even though there's no blanket specialisation in the RAF, every recruit, regardless of career path must surely go through training to gain basic military skills; all of which are predominantly infantry based.
    The attitude throughout IOT seems to be officer first; supplier/controller/engineer/aircrew second or whatever. There're 4 weeks worth of GDT-style military skills at the beginning, but nothing more advanced than the stuff we go through every year for CCS. Don't ask me to lead a section attack; I couldn't even tell you what a section was

    Rather there's a lot on leadership, academics, study of air power etc etc to turn out a good air force officer; who then forgets it all during professional training
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    Hi there, i am 16 at the moment in my second last year of school. Im confident i will be leaving with at least B's in all my subjects.

    Like so many of the people on this board, becoming a pilot would be a job I feel i would be able to do well and would also love to do. Im planning on taking a trip to my careers office in glasgow in the next few weeks but there are a few things that I feel would be a good idea to know now to save myself a huge waste of time. First of all, I used to have very mild asthma, however i grew out of it around 5 and a half years ago. I also stand here at a height of 189cm. Would these facts automatically mean i am not even considered to do the job?

    Obviously the RAF only want the most capable people, but has anyone got any figures of how many people they have taken on to become pilots in the last few years or so? Do they have estimates as to how many they will take on in years to come? How many people do they send home each year? I understand the numbers they recruit to be very little, but exactly how little?


    Wzz! Hi there. I haven't read all of this thread, it's huge! But from what I have read, you seem to stand out as having most replies and knowledge of this, are you a pilot? I can't quite tell, if so what aircraft do you fly, do you enjoy it? What routine flying do you do? Have you had opertunities to do some fun adventure activities like absailing, or water skiing, or things like that?

    If any of my questions have been answered in this huge thread already please simply direct me to the page.

    Jeeze i've been going on for ages, thanks very much for any replies, good luck to those of you going through the selection process, interviews, tests and things of that nature.

    Bye folks.
 
 
 
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