I'm not from Manchester, so am I a Glory Hunter?

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P.S. Who would you say United's main rivals are? If you say Liverpool, you ain't a real fan. City are United's rivals
I quite like that post but i'll take opposition to that statement. Liverpool and United have hated...yes...HATED eachother for decades and decades. If you'd subsituted Arsenal in there for Liverpool i'd think you'd have a better point.

All i'll say is that you still get all that you mentioned in your post despite where you live but you're right, it's an obsession that can't be explained really. Either you have that obsession or you don't.
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(Original post by kpg)
I quite like that post but i'll take opposition to that statement. Liverpool and United have hated...yes...HATED eachother for decades and decades. If you'd subsituted Arsenal in there for Liverpool i'd think you'd have a better point.

All i'll say is that you still get all that you mentioned in your post despite where you live but you're right, it's an obsession that can't be explained really. Either you have that obsession or you don't.
Liverpool and United are more obsessed with each other than any other world football teams, barring perhaps AC/Inter or Barca/Madrid. Absolutely obsessed. Listen to the songs at any match: 'Would yer want another stella georgie best/do yer want another stella, you've turned ******* yellow' or 'whose that lying on the runway?' or the constant 'murderers' and hillsborough/heysel songs from the Mancs. Also, look on the respective fan websites-they are obsessed with each other, certainly not Citeh or Everton, neither of whom are much of a threat to anyone in particular.
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No, that's not what I meant. The "don't blame the players, blame the game" was probably the most confusing metaphor I could've picked, but by 'players' I meant Man Utd as a club.

Man Utd haven't done anything wrong. They're allowed to pay whatever they want to whoever they want. If you're saying that they should only be able to spend a certain percentage of their turnover or that you're disillusioned with how commercialised it all is, you've gotta hate the guys who allow this to happen. For Man Utd, they've created a brand name and all the rest of it because they can. You say that you don't blame the players for agreeing to £100k profits. Well then, surely, you can't blame the club for agreeing to £m's in sponsorship deals, merchandising, widening the fan base etc.
I understand (to a degree) the dynamics of the commercialism of the whole thing; certainly, the clubs that you and I support are not exempt from it. However, I believe that there are genuine bonds of affection and something intangible, but extremely powerful nonetheless, that tie Arsenal supporters to Arsenal, Liverpool supporters to Liverpool, Everton fans to Everton-that simply is not present with Manchester United. They just feel soulless in a way that the others aren't. To me, the archetypal United fan is the ******** from Surrey or Cambridge sitting in the pub gloating over his friends about how his team are going to sweep the board, having only ever been to about two games.
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(Original post by kpg)
I quite like that post but i'll take opposition to that statement. Liverpool and United have hated...yes...HATED eachother for decades and decades. If you'd subsituted Arsenal in there for Liverpool i'd think you'd have a better point.

All i'll say is that you still get all that you mentioned in your post despite where you live but you're right, it's an obsession that can't be explained really. Either you have that obsession or you don't.
Liverpool and United's rivalry is borne out of being the two most successful English clubs combined with the fact that Scousers and Mancs dislike each other. United and Everton have (almost) similar levels of antipathy towards one another. City and United have a rivalry borne of cultural divisions, one of which is/was religion, another of which is geographical division of Manchester. Certainly it is a more ingrained (and longer standing) rivalry. Added to which, the Manchester Derby relegated United. It's only been relatively recently that the main derby has become the match against Liverpool.

I'm willing to concede, however, that my statement was somewhat rash. I stand by my point, though, that United's main derby is City, and Liverpool's is Everton.
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I don't think the Liverpool-Man Utd is any more intense than other rivalries like Cardiff-Swansea, Arsenal-Tottnum, Newcastle-Sunderland etc. In games, you always get the "stand up if you hate...[rival club]". It's just that, because Man Utd and Liverpool are 'bigger' clubs than all the rest, they have more media coverage and so it makes it seem like the fans are more obsessive than the rest. You get the same at most clubs. IMO.


EDIT: Forgot about Everton-Liverpool completely.
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I support Manchester United and I live in bloody Scotland. I have supported them since I was about 5 and I saw Beckham score from the half way line, perhaps I was a glory hunter when I was 5 but I certainly ain't now it just looks like it because my team have been doing well for pretty much my whole lifetime, if Man U got relegated I would still support them. Lots of my friends when I was 7 or 8 supported Man U when their style of football captivated young imaginations, the Champions league final really says it all but I will tell you one thing, I am the only one who has always turned on the TV every Saturday and watched the results coming in for the last 10 years, none of them have and most no longer even like Man U let alone support them.
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(Original post by Arrogant Git)
Liverpool and United's rivalry is borne out of being the two most successful English clubs combined with the fact that Scousers and Mancs dislike each other. United and Everton have (almost) similar levels of antipathy towards one another. City and United have a rivalry borne of cultural divisions, one of which is/was religion, another of which is geographical division of Manchester. Certainly it is a more ingrained (and longer standing) rivalry. Added to which, the Manchester Derby relegated United. It's only been relatively recently that the main derby has become the match against Liverpool
How can you even try and compare the United Everton rivalry to that of United Liverpool? That is ridiculous.
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(Original post by Nyet)
I understand (to a degree) the dynamics of the commercialism of the whole thing; certainly, the clubs that you and I support are not exempt from it. However, I believe that there are genuine bonds of affection and something intangible, but extremely powerful nonetheless, that tie Arsenal supporters to Arsenal, Liverpool supporters to Liverpool, Everton fans to Everton-that simply is not present with Manchester United. They just feel soulless in a way that the others aren't. To me, the archetypal United fan is the ******** from Surrey or Cambridge sitting in the pub gloating over his friends about how his team are going to sweep the board, having only ever been to about two games.
Fair enough. :thumbsup:
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(Original post by Lachlan)
I support Manchester United and I live in bloody Scotland. I have supported them since I was about 5 and I saw Beckham score from the half way line, perhaps I was a glory hunter when I was 5 but I certainly ain't now it just looks like it because my team have been doing well for pretty much my whole lifetime, if Man U got relegated I would still support them. Lots of my friends when I was 7 or 8 supported Man U when their style of football captivated young imaginations, the Champions league final really says it all but I will tell you one thing, I am the only one who has always turned on the TV every Saturday and watched the results coming in for the last 10 years, none of them have and most no longer even like Man U let alone support them.
How many games have you been too? You sounds like a glory hunter tbh.
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(Original post by Overmars)
I don't think the Liverpool-Man Utd is any more intense than other rivalries like Cardiff-Swansea, Arsenal-Tottnum, Newcastle-Sunderland etc. In games, you always get the "stand up if you hate...[rival club]". It's just that, because Man Utd and Liverpool are 'bigger' clubs than all the rest, they have more media coverage and so it makes it seem like the fans are more obsessive than the rest. You get the same at most clubs. IMO.
Seriously mate, I think it is; having been to a lot of these games, and the pubs before/after, I think it is quite a different matter (and the gutter levels of the songs/chants testify to this) than Gooners calling Spurs '***** Fart Lane' or Pompey wanting their players to lose the last game of the season to that Southampton go down, inbred and aggressive as fans of Portsmouth are. The M62 hatred seems to reach unprecedented heights every time they play.
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(Original post by Nyet)
Liverpool and United are more obsessed with each other than any other world football teams, barring perhaps AC/Inter or Barca/Madrid. Absolutely obsessed. Listen to the songs at any match: 'Would yer want another stella georgie best/do yer want another stella, you've turned ******* yellow' or 'whose that lying on the runway?' or the constant 'murderers' and hillsborough/heysel songs from the Mancs. Also, look on the respective fan websites-they are obsessed with each other, certainly not Citeh or Everton, neither of whom are much of a threat to anyone in particular.
Is that why you lot sing nursary rhymes about City for 90 minutes? which tbf I heard from a good mate whos a swamp regular.

You're having a laugh, sure, United and Liverpool is a heated rivalry, no doubt about it! Doesn't come close to so many rivalries in Europe though, not even a fraction of it. Comparing it to Barca/Madrid can't be done, thats more than a football or inter city rivalry. Its like comparing it to the Old Firm, its politics, history, religion, communities, historical grieviances that arent related to football.

Is also funny that Manchester united fans take the piss how Manchester City fans say "City" in the Mancunian accent. :woo: :woo: :woo:
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(Original post by Arrogant Git)
Liverpool and United's rivalry is borne out of being the two most successful English clubs combined with the fact that Scousers and Mancs dislike each other. United and Everton have (almost) similar levels of antipathy towards one another. City and United have a rivalry borne of cultural divisions, one of which is/was religion, another of which is geographical division of Manchester. Certainly it is a more ingrained (and longer standing) rivalry. Added to which, the Manchester Derby relegated United. It's only been relatively recently that the main derby has become the match against Liverpool
The two clubs were huge rivals in the 60s, 70s and 80s when man United were no where near their current success status. You think Munich songs started a few years ago? Singing about Shankly's death? Hillsborough songs even before Ferguson won his first title? Personally Everton away is the first fixture I look for when they are released in June, for me it's the biggest game and our biggest rivals and thats the case with most Reds and similar for United/City as you say and I'm not disagreeing with that really. All I'm saying is the city rivalry between United and Liverpool is much bigger than you make out.

Thats why I said Arsenal would be a more appropriate example as that IS borne out of success/top of the table rivalry as is the "rivalry" between Liverpool/United and Chelsea. The rivalry between London mancs and arsenal fans is hilarious really. Someone, in a London pub, asked me the other day who I would prefer to win the league if we didn't win it - "Man U or bloody Chelsea?" - spit me beer out at that one.
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Is that why you lot sing nursary rhymes about City for 90 minutes? which tbf I heard from a good mate whos a swamp regular.

You're having a laugh, sure, United and Liverpool is a heated rivalry, no doubt about it! Doesn't come close to so many rivalries in Europe though, not even a fraction of it. Comparing it to Barca/Madrid can't be done, thats more than a football or inter city rivalry. Its like comparing it to the Old Firm, its politics, history, religion, communities, historical grieviances that arent related to football.

Is also funny that Manchester united fans take the piss how Manchester City fans say "City" in the Mancunian accent
. :woo: :woo: :woo:
LOL that is funny actually, I only just realised that. But I am certainly no Manc; in case you didn't guess from my posts, I loathe them as an entity above all other football clubs. I didn't know they sang about Citeh that often, the Toilet/Swamp is normally so quiet that you can't make out what they're saying anyway, before they all drive off back to Hemel Hempstead when 85 minutes have elapsed, to beat the traffic.
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LOL that is funny actually, I only just realised that. But I am certainly no Manc; in case you didn't guess from my posts, I loathe them as an entity above all other football clubs. I didn't know they sang about Citeh that often, the Toilet/Swamp is normally so quiet that you can't make out what they're saying anyway, before they all drive off back to Hemel Hempstead when 85 minutes have elapsed, to beat the traffic.
I'm no Manc either so Citeh doesnt bother me I can pronounce it :cool:

To be fair, they DO pronounce it Citeh.

A lot of Londoners who go up for games stay in my hotel, always a bit of a laugh when they ask me who I support thinking I'm a United fan with my accent. They tip well at least!
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Toilet/Swamp is normally so quiet that you can't make out what they're saying anyway, before they all drive off back to Hemel Hempstead when 85 minutes have elapsed, to beat the traffic.
I went to Old Trafford once - someone I knew had a ticket going spare - and it was eerie just how quiet it was. I've been to games with a hundreth of the crowd with more noise. I suppose it's hard to chant with your mouth full of prawn sandwich in the hospitality suite.
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I went to Old Trafford once - someone I knew had a ticket going spare - and it was eerie just how quiet it was. I've been to games with a hundreth of the crowd with more noise. I suppose it's hard to chant with your mouth full of prawn sandwich in the hospitality suite.
Hahahahaha
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(Original post by Arrogant Git)
I went to Old Trafford once - someone I knew had a ticket going spare - and it was eerie just how quiet it was. I've been to games with a hundreth of the crowd with more noise. I suppose it's hard to chant with your mouth full of prawn sandwich in the hospitality suite.
Everytime I have been to Old Trafford the atmosphere has been very good. It is hard to get songs going at big grounds as the singers won't all be together and day trippers will spoil the atmosphere. Man United also have one of the noisest away supports in the country to make up for this.
If you want a quiet atmosphere go to one of the Old Firm grounds. Terrible.
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Everytime I have been to Old Trafford the atmosphere has been very good. It is hard to get songs going at big grounds as the singers won't all be together and day trippers will spoil the atmosphere. Man United also have one of the noisest away supports in the country to make up for this.
If you want a quiet atmosphere go to one of the Old Firm grounds. Terrible.
Hold on, you go to Old Trafford but you call me a glory hunter?

Ha ha ha. Jesus wept.
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Hold on, you go to Old Trafford but you call me a glory hunter?

Ha ha ha. Jesus wept.
If St.Johnstone aren't playing, then yes I occasionally go and see an entertaining game with a great atmosphere. How is that glory hunting?
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Hold on, you go to Old Trafford but you call me a glory hunter?

Ha ha ha. Jesus wept.
To be fair, if someone has a spare ticket knocking around, you may as well go to the game; its an experience, at least. I've been to many a premier league/La Liga/Serie A stadium I might not otherwise have visited thanks to similar situations.

Also, thanks for rep, whoever that was. If you let me know, I'll reciprocate
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