Do you hate Pakistanis?

OP

Well that is the question i asked myself when i read the Do you hate Americans thread?

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Vienna

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indian

Well that is the question i asked myself when i read the Do you hate Americans thread?

ok, we get the point, is there any other reason for the thread?

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OP

Well racism is still a part of life and i have been called a paki several times in my life from people you would not expect. So i was wondering if it is meant racially or is it just a 'term' of abuse like any other swear word. Coz it is more common than people think

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Haras Sarah

Yeah people use that term in the area I live..prob cause they cannot say the whole word!

Just ignore the racism..know diff but you are better than people who are racist!

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pedigreechump

My home town has a very large Pakistani community, and my middle school has about 40% Pakistani students, most of which I used to get along with fine.

But every so often I would be walking down to the town centre and would get approached by a group of Pakistani boys about the same age as me. They would always question me about what I was doing, where I was going. I don't know why, maybe they were looking for a reason to start some aggro.

Anway, it is these individual and very isolated incidents that give rise to racial tensions and although things have calmed in the past few years, every so often you will read a story in the local newspaper about a racially motivated attack and that brings all those old feelings back to the surface.

Nobody can let it rest at all, and it is the younger generations who are greatly influenced by what their elder brothers and sisters get up to. They will often share the opinions of their elders without having ever experienced any racial tension at all and that just makes it harder to break the chain and stop these unjustified feelings.

I don't know what is to be done..........

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SamTheMan

indian

Browsing the forum i came across an old thread on Do you hate Americans?. Now what is the bet that, this read will be deemed racist and the other allowed to stay and fill up with posts. This is what you call unequal.

But seriously do you hate Pakistanis? Honestly?

What do you mean by Pakistanis? A lot of British people whose families are from the Indian sub-continent get confused and confuse other people when talking about being Indian or Pakistani.

A British kid whose parents or grandparents were born in Pakistan is totally different culturally to a Pakistani kid growing up in Pakistan.

Personally, I appreciate both of these kinds of people. I find Pakistani people (born in Pakistan) quite easy to approach (as a European) but due to the difference of culture, it can be hard to become very close friends.
As for British kids of Pakistani origin, they're just the same as any other British kids as far as I'm concerned. Only the influence of their families might stop them from becoming friends with people of different origin.

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SamTheMan

What do you mean by Pakistanis? A lot of British people whose families are from the Indian sub-continent get confused and confuse other people when talking about being Indian or Pakistani.

A British kid whose parents or grandparents were born in Pakistan is totally different culturally to a Pakistani kid growing up in Pakistan.

Personally, I appreciate both of these kinds of people. I find Pakistani people (born in Pakistan) quite easy to approach (as a European) but due to the difference of culture, it can be hard to become very close friends.
As for British kids of Pakistani origin, they're just the same as any other British kids as far as I'm concerned. Only the influence of their families might stop them from becoming friends with people of different origin.

I disagree with that. British pakistani kids remain very entrenched in the culture of their forbears which is entirely different from the predominant white anglo- saxon British culture. I'd suggest a pakistani kid growing up in Luton is not the same as a white Brit kid growing up in Yarmouth....same country.....same nationality.....different planets.

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wiwarin_mir

Howard

I disagree with that. British pakistani kids remain very entrenched in the culture of their forbears which is entirely different from the predominant white anglo- saxon British culture. I'd suggest a pakistani kid growing up in Luton is not the same as a white Brit kid growing up in Yarmouth....same country.....same nationality.....different planets.

I agree with you here, for all the talk of multi-cultural Britain, all of the different ethnic groups tend to remain seperate and in a closed community for the most part.

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SamTheMan

Howard

I disagree with that. British pakistani kids remain very entrenched in the culture of their forbears which is entirely different from the predominant white anglo- saxon British culture. I'd suggest a pakistani kid growing up in Luton is not the same as a white Brit kid growing up in Yarmouth....same country.....same nationality.....different planets.

What you say is very true. Maybe equating British kids of pakistani origin and British kids of other origins is a bit idealistic. However I maintain that these kids are totally different to pakistani kids growing up in Pakistan.
A lot of British people growing up in Pakistani and Indian families in the UK try to distinguish themselves from other British people by maintaining they're Pakistani or Indian but in effect, they're not at all. Knowing quite a few "real" Pakistani kids at my Uni, they're very very different.
It's basically an element of pride that makes them want to maintain they're different. I know quite a few British Pakistani and Indian kids whose parents would be very upset if they went out with a white kid.

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SamTheMan

What you say is very true. Maybe equating British kids of pakistani origin and British kids of other origins is a bit idealistic. However I maintain that these kids are totally different to pakistani kids growing up in Pakistan.

I'd certainly agree with that.

Reply 12

wiwarin_mir

I agree with you here, for all the talk of multi-cultural Britain, all of the different ethnic groups tend to remain seperate and in a closed community for the most part.

Which shouldn't surprize anybody. It's human nature for people to feel more comfortable around and magnetize themselves towards other people of the same culture/heritage/language/faith etc.

You can see the same thing amongst expat communities around the world......Brits sticking together in Malaga, Cajuns in Southwest Louisiana, the Nigerian community in North Philly, Poles in Chicago, Italians in Bedford. etc. It's pretty understandable.

Therefore, when we talk about a multi-cultural society this does not mean we are all necessarily mixing together as one big happy family;("one great big melting pot"); but rather it means many quite different people that just happen to occupy the same piece of the planet. Multi-culturalism and cultural assimmilation are two very different things.

Reply 13

OP

I myself am a British born asian but i consider myself indian rather than British. i cannot pinpoint the reason, perhaps my parents influence and leading an indian lifestyle at home.

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indian

I myself am a British born asian but i consider myself indian rather than British. i cannot pinpoint the reason, perhaps my parents influence and leading an indian lifestyle at home.

Which makes you a case in point to what I was saying in post # 9. Would you agree?

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Tyler Durden

The best thing to do is treat individual person as just that - an individual person. It is IMPOSSIBLE to tell what someone will be like based on the colour of their skin or the country they were brought up in. People can change and people can decide not to conform to the social norms therefore one can never say what someone will be like judging on their race. So no, I don't hate Pakistani people - I don't hate any race. Neither do I hate gay people. And yet there are bound to be Pakistani people I dislike as there will be gay people I dislike. But if I dislike them it will be purely as individuals.

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OP

yes i see what you are saying. But i have lived in a white area all my life. i have been to school with 99% white people and my best friends are white. I have never had the oppurtunity to mix regularly with my ethnic group. Yet i still consider myself Indian and purely because of the traditions and culture i undertake at home. (arranged marriage for instance)

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Haras Sarah

You said it as it is englishstudent..god you are GOOD! I am the same..if I dislike someone it is because of their personality/traits or something they have done...not race, culture, sexuality, conflicting interests e.t.c. I think people 'hate' each other for many reasons other than race...i.e what wear or what into; as people don't like 'chavs'!

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SamTheMan

indian

I myself am a British born asian but i consider myself indian rather than British. i cannot pinpoint the reason, perhaps my parents influence and leading an indian lifestyle at home.

But why consider yourself more Indian when you're not an Indian citizen, haven't grown up in India... An actual Indian person growing up in India would be very different from you.

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