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Reply 280

Thoughts about Leicester Medical School:

Pros

*Excellent basic science tuition
*Group work as well as lectures
*Superb Pastoral support
*Good Clinical Educators
*Structured but integrated course
* Patient contact which is not too soon where you dont know anything, but not too late in the course where you dont get enough.
*Student selected components were taught well
* Tutors always get back to you if you pose a question via email or on the discussion board.


Cons

*Exams are non cumulative so you have to pass each question as individual, therefore you cant do well in one area to cover areas where your knowledge is poor.
* High pass mark (This is both a pro and a con, Id rather know the knowledge well enough to pass to a high standard than to scrape it, but it does make things harder)
* Sometimes you arent sure what is relevant and what isnt, because the course is taught in so much detail. This is in comparison to my conversations with other medical students at different medical schools.


I have to say though that for me, the pros outweigh the cons by nothing short of a mile.
I think whilst the detail in which the course is set out is an annoyance for me right now as Im having to learn it for end of preclinicals, the majority of it I will find useful later in my career. I cant fault the support Ive received throughout this difficult year from the medical school. Better get back to trying to pass the exams then...lol

Any questions I would be happy to answer :smile:

Reply 281

Finally got round to updating the first post of this again! (sorry if I've missed anyone's)

Reply 282

Hi!

I'm at Bristol med school! It looks like it's about time someone represented us on here!

Pros.

1) Good grounding in basic sciences in first and second year. In the first year we cover biochemistry, anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology and cancer biology and then in 2nd year we move onto systems based learning.
2) Prosection anatomy. I know some people would prefer dissection, but I really liked prosection, and as it's taught by F2s it's really nice to get a chance to chat to junior doctors about what life is like after uni! Plus lots of them went to Bristol so they give great times about the course.
3) I think we have quite a nice size year with 250 people, and there are quite a few mature students/2 in1s.
4) Pretty much everyone lives in halls in first year so there are many opportunities to meet non-medics and not get sucked into the medicine bubble.
5) Early clinical experience is good. In first year we go to a GP surgery once a week for 10 weeks, where you either sit in on the clinic or go visit a patient at home to chat. In second year we have 5 week long hospital placement after teaching of each system is finished. It's so nice to have some clinical contact after weeks of lectures so that you can see the point of doing it all again!
6) Some PBL integrated into the course in tutorials.
7) From 3rd year onwards you're in clinical teaching, which is really well organised with central teaching days regularly to consolidate and, more importantly, catch up with your friends.
8) Lots of opportunities to intercalate with around 50% of the year doing so between 2nd and 3rd year, and more between 3rd and 4th year. Quite a wide range of subjects to intercalate in as well.
9) Our med soc is AWESOME with lots of socials, mentoring/tutoring schemes, every possible sports club, speciality societies, charities and travel socs.
10) Bristol is a lovely city to live in!

Cons
1) From 3rd to 5th year you spend half/two thirds of the year out of Bristol in Bath, Swindon, Gloucester, Weston, Taunton or Yeovil. Personally I don't mind as you live in halls Mon-Fri (that the uni pays for) and come home to Bristol at the weekends. I think it's quite fun, but can potentially be a problem if you have lots of committments in Bristol.
2) The Bristol student union is rubbish and no-one ever goes there. Not too big a problem as it is a peninsular uni so right in the town, but I still get jealous of other universities.
3) Years 1 and 2 can be quite dry with around 20-25 hours of lectures/practicals a week. Sometimes you do wonder if you need to know every single stage of the Krebs cycle...
4) 1st year exams are HARD. Endless memorising of tiny facts that, to be honest, probably aren't critical to being a good doctor. And Bristol are strict on passing exams. If you fail twice you're out. No appealing unless you submitted an extenuating circumstances form in advance.

That's everything I can think of for now. Feel free to ask any questions!

3rd year medic at Bristol. :biggrin:

Reply 283

Original post
by Sambo2
Bute:

Pros:


You can do an MBChB with BSc(Hons) in 5 years - the only place where you can do this. I thought you could do this at Nottingham?

Cons:

The school is too far up the GMC's arse.. too much reflection, portfolioing etc etc
Not a lot of clinical medicine, only three afternoons in the whole of first year More than enough. What can you do when you don't know much yet? Imo it'd be a waste of time having any more placements as we don't learn much from them at this stage and can't do much
8ams... We've not had any 8ams...yet!
Pharmacology is a history lesson, not at all clinically focused, indeed some of it is boredering in dangerous, very outdated course. True, but as the pharma dude says, we're doing a BSc here


Good points

Reply 284

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by leemkule

- No past papers Oh really? :wink:

- Some of the lecturers we're too stuck in their way and seem to refuse to budge. I often found myself in a lecture where there was either way too much information being thrown at me to possibly digest, or so little that it was frustratingly repetitive and boring. Whilst I said in the Pro's section that most of the lecturers were good, I dont doubt their expertise, but some of the lectures we're badly spread out and lacked structure. Yep!


- A lack of real clinical exposure. I felt the tuition we had on clinical matters was very superficial (I have only completed first year though.) I think we have more than enough at this stage. I don't feel I would learn or benefit from more placements until I have more knowledge and skills

- Lectures we're not recorded. You might see this as being overly critical, but it was quite annoying if you couldn't avoid missing an important lecture and I know many other universities do this. Agree



Agree about it being expensive

Reply 285

Original post
by terpineol
did very rapidly find that the prosection and model based minitutorials during the dissections are vastly more useful, the rest of the two hour slots you spend hanging around very bored. Agree, most of the 2 hrs is wasted time that could be better spent studying the models yourself

The cohort marking used in the medical school (and nowhere else in the uni) makes getting a decent grade require a superhuman amount of effort. You're not kidding.


No past papers, but they also have a very poor record of changing exam papers from year to year. Sadly, this came to an abrupt halt

The reflections are a complete waste of time, I would suggest sharing reflections with mates and slightly rephrasing them. Indeed

Give it a year or two and you'll find half the booklist still in plastic shrinkwrap, having paid a fortune for the books at the start. Considering all the lecture materials are available in advance in great detail I would suggest only buying Drake, and then also buying Last's anatomy, and the colouring book. Yep. I would just buy Last's, the colouring book and Marieb. Almost everything is in the libraries




xxx

Reply 286

Original post
by jaderocks
Hi!

I'm at Bristol med school! It looks like it's about time someone represented us on here!

Pros.

1) Good grounding in basic sciences in first and second year. In the first year we cover biochemistry, anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology and cancer biology and then in 2nd year we move onto systems based learning.
2) Prosection anatomy. I know some people would prefer dissection, but I really liked prosection, and as it's taught by F2s it's really nice to get a chance to chat to junior doctors about what life is like after uni! Plus lots of them went to Bristol so they give great times about the course.
3) I think we have quite a nice size year with 250 people, and there are quite a few mature students/2 in1s.
4) Pretty much everyone lives in halls in first year so there are many opportunities to meet non-medics and not get sucked into the medicine bubble.
5) Early clinical experience is good. In first year we go to a GP surgery once a week for 10 weeks, where you either sit in on the clinic or go visit a patient at home to chat. In second year we have 5 week long hospital placement after teaching of each system is finished. It's so nice to have some clinical contact after weeks of lectures so that you can see the point of doing it all again!
6) Some PBL integrated into the course in tutorials.
7) From 3rd year onwards you're in clinical teaching, which is really well organised with central teaching days regularly to consolidate and, more importantly, catch up with your friends.
8) Lots of opportunities to intercalate with around 50% of the year doing so between 2nd and 3rd year, and more between 3rd and 4th year. Quite a wide range of subjects to intercalate in as well.
9) Our med soc is AWESOME with lots of socials, mentoring/tutoring schemes, every possible sports club, speciality societies, charities and travel socs.
10) Bristol is a lovely city to live in!

Cons
1) From 3rd to 5th year you spend half/two thirds of the year out of Bristol in Bath, Swindon, Gloucester, Weston, Taunton or Yeovil. Personally I don't mind as you live in halls Mon-Fri (that the uni pays for) and come home to Bristol at the weekends. I think it's quite fun, but can potentially be a problem if you have lots of committments in Bristol.
2) The Bristol student union is rubbish and no-one ever goes there. Not too big a problem as it is a peninsular uni so right in the town, but I still get jealous of other universities.
3) Years 1 and 2 can be quite dry with around 20-25 hours of lectures/practicals a week. Sometimes you do wonder if you need to know every single stage of the Krebs cycle...
4) 1st year exams are HARD. Endless memorising of tiny facts that, to be honest, probably aren't critical to being a good doctor. And Bristol are strict on passing exams. If you fail twice you're out. No appealing unless you submitted an extenuating circumstances form in advance.

That's everything I can think of for now. Feel free to ask any questions!

3rd year medic at Bristol. :biggrin:


Thanks, this has been really helpful!I have a few questions if you don't mind :colondollar:

Firstly, I saw that the medical school didn't get great responses on the SSQ, and the medical students I met on the open day/interview tour didn't seem wildly enthusiastic - they all cited complaints about getting feedback and a lack of pastoral support? I was just wondering if you thought these were improving as the guy doing the open day presentation insisted they were or not?
Secondly, was a bit concerned by something I saw on the Galenicals website about homophobia in the medical school and the LGBT environment in general

Spoiler


I'm not someone to look for offense and I'm definitely fine with well-intentioned humour, but I'd be interested to know the extent of it from someone there?
Thirdly, one of the massive things pushing me towards Bristol is the ERASMUS opportunities - do you have any idea how competitive they are to get into/how worthwhile they are from an academic perspective?
Final question (honestly!) any idea roughly what I should be budgeting for accomodation/living expenses post first year? I was looking at about a £200/week total and was wondering is this would be realistic in your experiences?

Sorry for the onslaught!

Reply 287

Original post
by No Future
Good points


no at nottingham they do BMedSci which is equivalent to an general degree - ours counts for more..

Reply 288

Original post
by chloemo14
Thanks, this has been really helpful!I have a few questions if you don't mind :colondollar:


Hey! Are you planning on coming to Bristol in October?

It is true we don't get as much feedback as I think we should. I probably should have put that as a con. For example with exams, we literally just get our percentage, usually without even a breakdown of the marks and it's the same with essays and presentations. You can ask for feedback though if you want it and arrange meetings with the appropriate person, it's just no-one really does it. As for pastoral support, in first and 2nd year you don't get an individual pastoral tutor, there is just one lady who does everyone. So it's not amazing, but once you hit clinical years (3 upwards) you have a tutor for every individual unit so there's loads of potential support if you were struggling. There's also student mentoring schemes set up by Galenicals, with mums and dads, and also a tutoring scheme.

I have literally NO IDEA what that homophobia thing was about. I've never seen any derrogatory homophobic behaviour within the med school other then well intentioned humour. I was on my last placement with an openly gay guy and I never saw him treated any differently by the med students, or the hospital staff. I honestly don't know what Galenicals are talking about there. :s-smilie:

I think Erasmus is pretty easy to get into as long as you've passed the majority of your exams so far, and are reasonably competant at the language. Everyone I know who applied got in. From an academic perspective, I don't think it's that benefitial because you do miss half the year's teaching and you probably won't be doing as much in the other country because of the language barrier and because you'll want to have fun! I can imagine it's an amazing experience though and totally worth it.

Yeah I think £200 is reasonably. I was at Wills which was catered and about £120 a week, so that would leave £80 spending money on additional food, nights out, etc! Lol. I'm not sure how much self-catered halls are, I think they have quite a wide range depending on where you're applying and whether you want ensuite. £200 should be fine though as long as you apply to one of the cheaper halls and budget your food wisely. Books can be quite expensive, and the uni will try to force you into buying loads, but I only got an anatomy and physiology book and just used the library for everything else I needed!

Hope that helps.

Jade

Reply 289

Original post
by jaderocks
Hi!

I'm at Bristol med school! It looks like it's about time someone represented us on here!

Pros.

1) Good grounding in basic sciences in first and second year. In the first year we cover biochemistry, anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology and cancer biology and then in 2nd year we move onto systems based learning.
2) Prosection anatomy. I know some people would prefer dissection, but I really liked prosection, and as it's taught by F2s it's really nice to get a chance to chat to junior doctors about what life is like after uni! Plus lots of them went to Bristol so they give great times about the course.
3) I think we have quite a nice size year with 250 people, and there are quite a few mature students/2 in1s.
4) Pretty much everyone lives in halls in first year so there are many opportunities to meet non-medics and not get sucked into the medicine bubble.
5) Early clinical experience is good. In first year we go to a GP surgery once a week for 10 weeks, where you either sit in on the clinic or go visit a patient at home to chat. In second year we have 5 week long hospital placement after teaching of each system is finished. It's so nice to have some clinical contact after weeks of lectures so that you can see the point of doing it all again!
6) Some PBL integrated into the course in tutorials.
7) From 3rd year onwards you're in clinical teaching, which is really well organised with central teaching days regularly to consolidate and, more importantly, catch up with your friends.
8) Lots of opportunities to intercalate with around 50% of the year doing so between 2nd and 3rd year, and more between 3rd and 4th year. Quite a wide range of subjects to intercalate in as well.
9) Our med soc is AWESOME with lots of socials, mentoring/tutoring schemes, every possible sports club, speciality societies, charities and travel socs.
10) Bristol is a lovely city to live in!

Cons
1) From 3rd to 5th year you spend half/two thirds of the year out of Bristol in Bath, Swindon, Gloucester, Weston, Taunton or Yeovil. Personally I don't mind as you live in halls Mon-Fri (that the uni pays for) and come home to Bristol at the weekends. I think it's quite fun, but can potentially be a problem if you have lots of committments in Bristol.
2) The Bristol student union is rubbish and no-one ever goes there. Not too big a problem as it is a peninsular uni so right in the town, but I still get jealous of other universities.
3) Years 1 and 2 can be quite dry with around 20-25 hours of lectures/practicals a week. Sometimes you do wonder if you need to know every single stage of the Krebs cycle...
4) 1st year exams are HARD. Endless memorising of tiny facts that, to be honest, probably aren't critical to being a good doctor. And Bristol are strict on passing exams. If you fail twice you're out. No appealing unless you submitted an extenuating circumstances form in advance.

That's everything I can think of for now. Feel free to ask any questions!

3rd year medic at Bristol. :biggrin:


So glad someone's finally done pros and cons for Bristol - I'm trying to choose between Birmingham and Bristol offers and I just have a few questions.
Do you think there's a good balance of lectures vs. small group teaching?

How easy/common is it for medics to do sports/music/other societies apart from the medic societies?

Do you think the quality/content of teaching is good, i.e. are lecturers good overall? I know it's always a mix at most med schools but just out of interest :smile:

Also, do you have exams just once a year? And how often do you get essays/ tests or other work to do?
Thank you :smile:

Reply 290

Original post
by elianeb
So glad someone's finally done pros and cons for Bristol - I'm trying to choose between Birmingham and Bristol offers and I just have a few questions.
Do you think there's a good balance of lectures vs. small group teaching?

How easy/common is it for medics to do sports/music/other societies apart from the medic societies?

Do you think the quality/content of teaching is good, i.e. are lecturers good overall? I know it's always a mix at most med schools but just out of interest :smile:

Also, do you have exams just once a year? And how often do you get essays/ tests or other work to do?
Thank you :smile:


TSR
Not the place for applicants to ask current medical students questions!


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Reply 291

Original post
by Mushi_master
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Sorry... nice of you to tell the other person who asked questions. Definitely fair. :/
I'll just pm the person offering to answer questions then.

Reply 292

Original post
by elianeb
Sorry... nice of you to tell the other person who asked questions. Definitely fair. :/
I'll just pm the person offering to answer questions then.


Not just aimed at you - at all questions from applicants, it'd be overrun in here if it was allowed to happen!

Reply 293

Oh wow first Liverpool post (apologies if there have been some already, I haven't had the time/energy to scan through the vast number of pages of replies :smile: )

Ok good stuff about Liverpool:
- Everyones relatively nice. You get a huge amount of support from the upper years, but thats if you try and get in with them.
- A very social medic's society with numerous academic branches and sports teams that regularly play across the country against other unis (I'm heavily involved on the academic side but I wish I'd joined a team..)
- HUGE amount of hospital/patient exposure, so much so we could probably do the F1's job by the end of 4th year (technically we do in our 5th year but its just unpaid).
- Errrrrm opportunities to do stuff like MRes on our intercalating year.
- They listen to your complaints and do make changes! Numerous changes have (finally!!) been made after years of complaining about how shocking the system was...

Bad stuff:
- PBL! After 4 years of it you sort of don't see the point. Well obviously its great for the rest of your life knowing the concept of PBL because you basically learn how to teach yourself, but there needs to be some guidance. This has slowly improved but its taking its time.
- NO ANATOMY TEACHING! We apparently have one of the lowest pass rates for post-grad surgical exams, mildly embarassing, but is the fault of our uni! However there isn't a LOT to anatomy, and if you teach yourself early enough and attend enough surgeries/post-mortems, you should be ok!
- Very very long terms! We go on from Sept till roughly July (sometimes even till the end of it!) with only 2 weeks for Xmas and Easter, and a week for exams, but it tires you out big time!
- You could get kicked out if you don't pass your resits
- OSCE is hell for most! I've personally not had a huge issue with it but its not at all like everyone elses' OSCE's are. One thing you learn about Liverpool is that the exam system is totally different to that of your standard medical university!

Overall in retrospect, I did want to be at a different university (Manchester ¬¬) but I think I've finally gotten over it. At every Uni generally the system differs and you always wish you had more/less of something, but we all come out with the same degree and end up working together :smile:

(Why do I sound so happy?!?)

Hope that helps! x

Reply 294

any HYMS medics care to comment?

Reply 295

Original post
by Hygeia
Finally got round to updating the first post of this again! (sorry if I've missed anyone's)


I believe I am the first person to comment on the University of Aberdeen's new course i.e the one that any applicants here will be doing :smile:

Pros

Unlike the old course, students are now taught in systems. We do anatomy and physiology of each system (e.g cardiovascular, respiratory)and then pathology, treatment and pharmacology.

Clinical skills from the first year. Starting from the basics of history taking and examination, all the time interacting with volunteer patients and then real patients on weekly ward sessions.

Staff and students are all fantastically friendly. We are a slightly smaller medical school with (come 2011) a 160 intake each year. As such you get to know most people quite quickly and develop your own group of mates.

Though the medical school is a trek away, once you get there you have 1000+ beds directly across the road. The ARI+Royal Aberdeen Childrens'+Aberdeen Maternity hospital site at Foresterhill offer every specialty and clinical procedure under the sun.

The MedSoc organize great social events such as beerienteering which are always well attended and rather epic fun.

Cons

Anatomy. Prosection is fine, it's just the sessions generally which are difficult to follow. The learning outcomes could be a lot clearer.

Community course. Possibly the single largest waste of your time. Ever.

First year can seem rather disjointed at times. Course is still very new and is being tweaked every year. They add in random seminars and lectures which, though interesting, don't really flow well into the course.

The medical school is at least 30 minutes walk away from every uni or private halls in the city.

Reply 296

Original post
by TooSexyForMyStethoscope
Unlike the old course, students are now taught in systems. We do anatomy and physiology of each system (e.g cardiovascular, respiratory)and then pathology, treatment and pharmacology.

The systems-based course has been in place for at least 15 years. It's by no means new. The change is simply that you do physiology AND pathophysiology at the same time instead of returning to the system a year later.

Though the medical school is a trek away, once you get there you have 1000+ beds directly across the road. The ARI+Royal Aberdeen Childrens'+Aberdeen Maternity hospital site at Foresterhill offer every specialty and clinical procedure under the sun.


Except for geriatrics and elective orthopaedics at Woodend and clinics at Woolmanhill. There's no GUM at Foresterhill.

Reply 297

Original post
by Becca-Sarah
The systems-based course has been in place for at least 15 years. It's by no means new. The change is simply that you do physiology AND pathophysiology at the same time instead of returning to the system a year later.



Except for geriatrics and elective orthopaedics at Woodend and clinics at Woolmanhill. There's no GUM at Foresterhill.


Feeling pedantic :frown:

Reply 298

Original post
by TooSexyForMyStethoscope
Feeling pedantic :frown:


More bored, in fact :tongue:

Reply 299

Original post
by Becca-Sarah
More bored, in fact :tongue:


haha that's ok then, may I ask why? :tongue:

You do seem to rip my posts to shreds occasionally :biggrin:

Though sometimes they might not be 100% accurate, I am trying to give prospective applicants an idea without involving internal politics :colone:

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