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http://www.asme.org.uk/compendium/oxford.htm

Oliver Caplin
Location: Cambridge

I did my preclinical medicine at Nottingham (loved it) and then moved to Cambridge to study clinical medicine (loving it).

http://medstudent043.blogspot.com/


Why would they change it?
Reply 101
Sorry if I've missed something, but that seems to be a testimonial of someone moving from Nottingham pre-clin to Cambridge clin. You were asking about the possibility of moving from Nottingham pre-clin to Oxford clin - it's not a precedent of the same situation.

That asme page you've linked is hideously out of date by at least five years.
"And i also know of a student who transferred from Nottingham to Cambridge and wondered if there was a similar system in place for Oxford."

I do know all these things! Yes its out of date, but why would it change? Can we definitively with 100% certainty say there is no system in place for med students from other uk medschools outside of london to transfer to oxford?
Reply 103
Well, the Oxford website seems pretty certain, wouldn't you say?

Anyway, is this not all hideously premature? There's absolutely no guarantee that the status quo will still hold three/four years from now. Come back in 2012.
I like to research and over-prepare :biggrin: 2012 it is
ADREAM
This is mine:

'All of the interviewers at X college thought you were very articulate. ... answered questions very well indeed and with clarity.... coped incredibly well with all questions (goes onto specifics) ... overall, we firmly decided that you displayed all of the qualities to make an exceptional doctor... etc

'BUUUUT , very unfortunately, when we ranked all Oxford applicants post interview (1/3 invited to interview, 152 offers given to 452 interviewees), according to these 5 factors: academic grades, reference, personal statement, interview performance and finally the BMAT scores, you came at the top of the middle group, very narrowly missing out on an offer. (goes onto mention that 'top' group given offers, middle group is just below them, then the 'bottom group', etc)

'Please do not be discouraged at all as you are an incredibly worthy candidate, with all of your qualities unanimously judged to be of a standard clearly above the average of Oxford interviewees this year. ... I'm so sorry to write with this news....'

:eek:


why dont you re-apply next year?
Reply 106
NissanMicra
I like to research and over-prepare :biggrin: 2012 it is

People say this so often, and generally with a certain sense of pride, but surely doing your research so much in advance that your findings are likely to be outdated and useless by the time you actually get there, is a bit of a pointless waste of time?:dontknow:
super-emily
I'm 5 weeks in after requesting feedback, and I'm still waiting...I've received four emails saying that they will 'pass my request on to the correct department', but I'm kind of doubting now whether I'll ever hear anything!


HA! Having said that, within two hours I got my feedback! It was over a phone-call with my referee, and it basically said that I was a perfect student for History but not so much English (I applied to Joint Honours), and so they couldn't find a place for me because of 'the competition was extremely strong'.

Great. I also am:

1) a 'very strong candidate'
2) 'liked a lot'
3) 'obviously enthusiastic'

but I 'lacked intellectual grit'.

Brilliant.


:cry:
hobnob
People say this so often, and generally with a certain sense of pride, but surely doing your research so much in advance that your findings are likely to be outdated and useless by the time you actually get there, is a bit of a pointless waste of time?:dontknow:


Yup. It's like the old chestnut interview question "what is your biggest weakness?". A surprisingly large number of people think that saying you are a perfectionist is a clever answer, and don't understand that perfectionists are not popular with managers who have deadlines to meet and who want staff that know when a task has been completed to a satisfactory standard.
Reply 109
Good bloke
Yup. It's like the old chestnut interview question "what is your biggest weakness?". A surprisingly large number of people think that saying you are a perfectionist is a clever answer, and don't understand that perfectionists are not popular with managers who have deadlines to meet and who want staff that know when a task has been completed to a satisfactory standard.

Then again, they're probably well aware that all those applicants aren't really perfectionists, they're just pretending to be because they believe that's what their prospective employers will want to hear. I wonder whether it's even a useful question to ask in interviews, considering you're never going to get a truthful reply anyway...:dontknow:
hobnob
Then again, they're probably well aware that all those applicants aren't really perfectionists, they're just pretending to be because they believe that's what their prospective employers will want to hear. I wonder whether it's even a useful question to ask in interviews, considering you're never going to get a truthful reply anyway...:dontknow:


Ah, but that's the point! You can spot a truthful answer and it identifies a candidate that is confident, honest, self-analytical and keen to self-develop, whatever the weakness identified. These are positive attributes that are ought by employers in general.
Reply 111
Good bloke
Ah, but that's the point! You can spot a truthful answer and it identifies a candidate that is confident, honest, self-analytical and keen to self-develop, whatever the weakness identified. These are positive attributes that are ought by employers in general.

Ah, but you're not seriously telling me that if I were to tell you that I have a tendency to put myself in stressful situations, even when it wouldn't perhaps be strictly necessary, because I know I work best when under pressure and I try to make sure that I have that pressure, you'd take that as a positive thing? You'd conclude that I probably couldn't cope and that my working style was inefficient (which isn't actually true - or at least it's only a very skewed version of the truth).:wink:
hobnob
Ah, but you're not seriously telling me that if I were to tell you that I have a tendency to put myself in stressful situations, even when it wouldn't perhaps be strictly necessary, because I know I work best when under pressure and I try to make sure that I have that pressure, you'd take that as a positive thing? You'd conclude that I probably couldn't cope and that my working style was inefficient (which isn't actually true - or at least it's only a very skewed version of the truth).:wink:


The initially given answer is only the beginning of the story. :smile: Then come the subsidiary questions which explore such issues as those you mention in order to better get at the truth - do you really believe what you have stated or are you trying to wriggle, do you understand the implications of what you have said, does the stated weakness have underlying causes, is it a cause for concern, what steps have you taken to develop away from it, would you like to offer a different answer etc?
Reply 113
Good bloke
The initially given answer is only the beginning of the story. :smile: Then come the subsidiary questions which explore such issues as those you mention in order to better get at the truth - do you really believe what you have stated or are you trying to wriggle, do you understand the implications of what you have said, does the stated weakness have underlying causes, is it a cause for concern, what steps have you taken to develop away from it, would you like to offer a different answer etc?

More probing questions to turn up even more weaknesses, you mean? Oh dear.:s-smilie:
hobnob
More probing questions to turn up even more weaknesses, you mean? Oh dear.:s-smilie:


It's more about discovering the full picture - strengths and weaknesses - at least for a strong interviewer. A candidate might be weak in some areas, but have balancing strengths in others - nobody is perfect.
Reply 115
Good bloke
It's more about discovering the full picture - strengths and weaknesses - at least for a strong interviewer. A candidate might be weak in some areas, but have balancing strengths in others - nobody is perfect.

Well, no, obviously. Still, sounds like I'll be in for a treat when I have my first proper job interview...:s-smilie:
Hi everyone. I was just wondering if it was too late to get feedback? Thanks.
Reply 117
It probably is, though you can but try...
Never hurts trying -go for it!
Well done ADREAM! Your academic record is clearly very good, but Oxford seems to rely on a make-or-break interview situation. I know someone who got rejected 10 A*S (2 top 5s in the country), 5As (98% UMS with 100% in Bio) and 21.3 in the BMAT. Her feedback said that they dont look at personal statements, references or BMAT when ranking you post-interview and that she very narrowly missed out on an offer (despite being top 3rd of interview candidates and they give 36% of people offers!). It happens. People who are impressive academically can get rejected from Oxford because their interview on the day wasn't good enough. I wouldnt think its worth reapplying cos Oxford's not the best medical school for everyone anyway but I guess it rather sucks to have been so close. Well done with Kings though (arguably a top medical school with a huge research department!)

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