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Reply 40
Roundabout
The discussion hasn't been solely about the OP's particular case for a while. When a 43-point offer from LSE was mentioned, the discussion steered towards being one about unfair IB offers in general.


Well my comment was quite clearly referring to the OP. I quoted him, IIRC.

Roundabout
They can ask for more than AAA. For instance, they could ask for specific UMS marks (A in each module etc.).


At an Oxford open day the admissions tutor explained why they do not do this. Apparently above the mark needed for an A grade the marking is very lax and re-marks don't occur, so using UMS marks is unreliable.

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And even though they can't ask for more than AAA (as in overall grades) from candidates taking 3 A-levels, why do they never ask AAAAA from candidates taking 6 A-levels? The thing is that there tends to be huge spikes in the difficulty of IB offers for the same course (LSE Econ from 38p, 766HL to 43p, 776HL), but practically all A-level candidates get asked for the same results, regardless of their predictions. I have never seen anyone here asked for more than AAAA, despite some being predicted 6-8 As.


As I said, I do think some offers are unfair, but 39 points and 776 just isn't. It's probably about AAAA - which universities do sometimes ask for. It's hardly 6-8 As, anyways. I do IB, it's difficult but not as difficult as some self-pitying students like to make out.
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Ohh **** off my friends had offers of 40+ with 777 in highers with maths and physics included. You have nothing.
Reply 42
Master Polhem
Ohh **** off my friends had offers of 40+ with 777 in highers with maths and physics included. You have nothing.


40+ I can believe. 777 I find harder to... what course and uni?
Reply 43
Master Polhem
Ohh **** off my friends had offers of 40+ with 777 in highers with maths and physics included. You have nothing.


Come on now...
Reply 44
I wonder whats up with the requirements for this years entry. My brother is currently doing 4 A level subjects and his offer for Physics is 4As. (Don't think I've seen any offer like that from Imperial before!)
Reply 45
studyboy
I wonder whats up with the requirements for this years entry. My brother is currently doing 4 A level subjects and his offer for Physics is 4As. (Don't think I've seen any offer like that from Imperial before!)


They possibly are not satisfied with our performance (08 entry), and hence are seeking out a brighter bunch?

I think most departments were oversubscribed last year, so they must be upping the offers so that they're obligated to give unconditionals only to the smaller proportion of students who actually meet the high requirements.
Reply 46
As far as I'm concerned, they're entitled to make any offer they like. If the whole predicted grades idea is to be sound, your prediction should be what you get (providing you work). I quite like what Imperial is doing (not just with high IB offers, but high (e.g. all As in modules) offers for A-level), at least it undermines teachers who over predict students at the expense of those who can actually achieve those grades.
Reply 47
Well computing at Imperial is pretty much top of the country.

Then again, they may not have liked your application and really want you to prove yourself :wink:
Reply 48
sadhukar
The highest non-Oxbridge offer I have seen was 38 IB points. Yet for Imperial they're offering me 39 IB points for Computing (G400). UCL gave me a paltry 34.

For the record, 39 IB points is like getting 5 A's in A-level (atleast I think that is the UCAS tariff). I applied with my predicted 40, which means that I actually have to work in school now :/

They have generally been offering higher than their standard offers this year, I am still to see someone else who got an AAA offer with nothing else included.

They have said that next year they're making A*AA or 39 the standard requirement.
Reply 49
sadhukar
For the record, 39 IB points is like getting 5 A's in A-level (atleast I think that is the UCAS tariff). I applied with my predicted 40, which means that I actually have to work in school now :/


That's the point. Surely you weren't predicted that grade if you have no chance of achieving it?
Reply 50
Absurd
That's the point. Surely you weren't predicted that grade if you have no chance of achieving it?


My predicted grade was 42,43. Does this mean it's possible for me to achieve such grade? I mean, don't some teachers just give out generous predicted grades?
Reply 51
jy9626
My predicted grade was 42,43. Does this mean it's possible for me to achieve such grade? I mean, don't some teachers just give out generous predicted grades?


Yes it's impossible for you to achieve that grade.
Reply 52
KwungSun
Yes it's impossible for you to achieve that grade.


because teachers are stupid and give out wrong predicted grades?
Reply 53
CCJ
Better than a rejection hey? :rollseyes:

This, entirely this.

OP: Stop complaining and do the work. You got an offer, congratulations. Now you have to meet the standard they require.
Reply 54
J234
As far as I'm concerned, they're entitled to make any offer they like. If the whole predicted grades idea is to be sound, your prediction should be what you get (providing you work). I quite like what Imperial is doing (not just with high IB offers, but high (e.g. all As in modules) offers for A-level), at least it undermines teachers who over predict students at the expense of those who can actually achieve those grades.

The thing in the IB is that you often cannot tell if someone is going to get an A or a B for his extended essay and his ToK essay. You often cannot even tell if someone is going to get a 7 or a 6 unless they are very very talented (I study in Oxford and I can think of lots of people who wouldn't get a guaranteed 7 in all the subjects related to what they study here). Therefore the teachers tend to predict what they think the person will achieve, but are much more often wrong than teachers in A levels (the fact that none of the real exams have already been taken by the time they have to predict doesn't help either).
Reply 55
jy9626
because teachers are stupid and give out wrong predicted grades?


The maximum point total is 45, so why should it be impossible for you to get 42? We know nothing about you or your teachers. Maybe you're good enough to get 42-43, maybe you're not. Maybe you'll get 44. Who knows? A lot of teachers do overestimate predicted grades but how are we supposed to know if yours are accurate or not?
Reply 56
KwungSun
The maximum point total is 45, so why should it be impossible for you to get 42? We know nothing about you or your teachers. Maybe you're good enough to get 42-43, maybe you're not. Maybe you'll get 44. Who knows? A lot of teachers do overestimate predicted grades but how are we supposed to know if yours are accurate or not?


you told me that it was 'impossible' for me to get such a grade.
so i replied saying 'are the teachers stupid?'.
I wasn't seriously asking you to examine how accurate my predicted grade was, you see.
Reply 57
ashy
This, entirely this.

OP: Stop complaining and do the work. You got an offer, congratulations. Now you have to meet the standard they require.


This.
Yeah I mean, we can't do anything about it. so why should we complain and waste our time? let's just work instead. Probably we will be able to tell the universities that there's a serious problem with IB offers when we actually get there, who knows? Then, they might take our words into account and lower the IB offers starting from that year. But right now, we should work and get there first before making any attempt to change things.
Hey, in a way it's good. Those who achieve 40+ points in their IB are generally going to be academically much stronger and better prepared for university than someone who has 3-4 As at A-levels.
Reply 59
yodude888
Hey, in a way it's good. Those who achieve 40+ points in their IB are generally going to be academically much stronger and better prepared for university than someone who has 3-4 As at A-levels.


to think optimistically, the high IB offers are good and actually better for the students. But let's not forget that it really is unfair when getting there is the most important part. I have not heard that students who did IB at high school actually do much better at university than the ones who did a-levels.

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