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New six month teacher training course

If you watched, read, or listened to the news at all today, you will have heard of this...


What do people think of this? I don't see how it's supposed to work, personally. The most intensive course we have already requires near-constant work for 11 months, so I don't see how people are going to achieve the same standards in half the time. :s-smilie:

It's obviously geared toward people who have been made redundant from their jobs in finance and now fancy giving teaching a go. Why does anyone suppose that people who failed at their commercial careers are going to learn how to teach quicker than everyone else?

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Reply 1

Maybe they are used to work 90h/week?

No idea. :shrug:

Reply 2

la fille danse
If you watched, read, or listened to the news at all today, you will have heard of this...


What do people think of this? I don't see how it's supposed to work, personally. The most intensive course we have already requires near-constant work for 11 months, so I don't see how people are going to achieve the same standards in half the time. :s-smilie:

It's obviously geared toward people who have been made redundant from their jobs in finance and now fancy giving teaching a go. Why does anyone suppose that people who failed at their commercial careers are going to learn how to teach quicker than everyone else?



well, if they already have a maths/history/arts degree wouldnt it be easier?

Reply 3

NoHands
well, if they already have a maths/history/arts degree wouldnt it be easier?


All trainee teachers have degrees (unless they're doing a 4 year undergraduate teaching degree obviously) and those courses are common ones, so why would it?

Reply 4

as the people on radio 4 were saying, norway has a far superior education system which could well be the result of their 4 year training course.

Reply 5

piiineapple
as the people on radio 4 were saying, norway has a far superior education system which could well be the result of their 4 year training course.


Even for people who already have degrees?

Reply 6

la fille danse
Even for people who already have degrees?


i think that there is a massive distinction between someone knowing how to learn and knowing how to help someone else learn. i just don't think 6 months is anywhere near adequate time

Reply 7

piiineapple
i think that there is a massive distinction between someone knowing how to learn and knowing how to help someone else learn. i just don't think 6 months is anywhere near adequate time


That wasn't the question. In Norway, do people who already have a degree have to do an additional four years of teacher training?

Reply 8

piiineapple
i think that there is a massive distinction between someone knowing how to learn and knowing how to help someone else learn. i just don't think 6 months is anywhere near adequate time


I agree, although there are some lecturers at my uni, and teachers from school that I can remember, who may have achieved a good degree but are just totally hopeless at engaging their students to learn.

Reply 9

la fille danse
That wasn't the question. In Norway, do people who already have a degree have to do an additional four years of teacher training?

to be honest with you, i don't know

Reply 10

Flashphotographer
I agree, although there are some lecturers at my uni, and teachers from school that I can remember, who may have achieved a good degree but are just totally hopeless at engaging their students to learn.

exactly. and not only is it a matter of engaging with a class but also having control. i really just do not think 6 months is enough time to learn AND practise... is it fair to jeopordise another person's future for the sake of maintaining someone else's present?

Reply 11

piiineapple
exactly. and not only is it a matter of engaging with a class but also having control. i really just do not think 6 months is enough time to learn AND practise... is it fair to jeopordise another person's future for the sake of maintaining someone else's present?

Quite a lot of people, in fact... I think that it's a silly idea, whcih will turn out techers without the necessary supervised practice.

Reply 12

piiineapple
exactly. and not only is it a matter of engaging with a class but also having control. i really just do not think 6 months is enough time to learn AND practise... is it fair to jeopordise another person's future for the sake of maintaining someone else's present?


I would say that there are other ways of helping people through the recession, although I don't really have any suggestions. But in regards to the six month teacher training course, it's just part of a culture where everything is being 'dumbed' down. For example, in the papers there have been articles about watered-down degrees.

People complain about the lack of high standards in education, especially in run-down areas, and with this new 'fast track' teacher training course standards are just going to decrease further more. You just can't seem to win.

Reply 13

la fille danse
All trainee teachers have degrees (unless they're doing a 4 year undergraduate teaching degree obviously) and those courses are common ones, so why would it?


lol, thought the only way to become a teacher was througha 4 year course :wink: my bad.

Reply 14

I heard this earlier but not in great detail. Im sure its not a matter of gaining a teaching qualification in 6 months and bam your out in the classroom. My mum has a degree in criminology and also in law and is now a teacher and her training (PGCE i believe the qualification is) was 9 months. Most of that was in school and even after that she wasnt just pushed into a class and expected to be a teacher with great experience. There are all sorts of ways for them to 'practice' like being supervised etc.
Im sure theres more to it than we think seeing as it just came about today in the news (I only heard about it today anyway!)

Reply 15

zoelouise
I heard this earlier but not in great detail. Im sure its not a matter of gaining a teaching qualification in 6 months and bam your out in the classroom. My mum has a degree in criminology and also in law and is now a teacher and her training (PGCE i believe the qualification is) was 9 months. Most of that was in school and even after that she wasnt just pushed into a class and expected to be a teacher with great experience. There are all sorts of ways for them to 'practice' like being supervised etc.
Im sure theres more to it than we think seeing as it just came about today in the news (I only heard about it today anyway!)


Methinks you must be right.

Reply 16

I agree with you, but I don't really see how it's that different to the GTP or Teach First schemes? Perhaps I'm being ignorant. Also, presumably if these people wanted to retrain as teachers and didn't want to have to study for a year, and therefore lose earnings, then surely they'd do the GTP or Teach First anyway? Hmm I don't really see the point. It does just seem like a short term solution that wont really benefit schools in the long run.

Reply 17

It does just seem to be aimed at the sort who Teach First is aimed at.
I do believe people who are used to managerial roles may have something different to add to a school that those that go straight into teaching, but I don't think a school full of such types would run very well.

Reply 18

It annoys the hell out of me to be honest. Just because one career path is loosing jobs, why should these people come and take all ours? Yes there is always jobs in teaching and education in general but it doesn't mean that people who are using teaching as a last ditch effort to re-employment should take them all!

There definitely has to be more too it, would there be 6 months training and then a normal NQT year or would this period last longer?

I don't like the idea anyway. Teaching is hard work and just because a person was successful in their last job doesn't mean that teaching is the career for them.

Reply 19

I'm about to start a 3/4 year BA in Primary Education in September and I have heard that even over 4 years, the course is much more intense than other degrees - with teaching practice, planning etc. on top of the usual seminars and lectures and I believe that I will still have A LOT to learn after my degree is over..

I come from a family of teachers,and it seems a bit of an insult to them to suggust that a banker, businessman or anyone else could have 6months training and do just as good a job??

In addition... won't there be an overload of applicants to teach business studies, ICT and similar subjects?

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