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Is there a sort of general consensus that the pooling system generally works out quite fairly - i.e. for the kids who shoot for the tougher colleges and get rejected from there but are Oxford-quality, they're fairly certain to be given the chance to have a crack somewhere else?
(It's just a bit tricky all the way from my part of the world discerning whether in reality pooling seems to be successful)
Reply 1081
mairi_rob
Is there a sort of general consensus that the pooling system generally works out quite fairly - i.e. for the kids who shoot for the tougher colleges and get rejected from there but are Oxford-quality, they're fairly certain to be given the chance to have a crack somewhere else?
(It's just a bit tricky all the way from my part of the world discerning whether in reality pooling seems to be successful)

Generally it seems to be thought that it works out relatively fairly, yes. I saw statistics somewhere from one year (don't ask me where, I can't remember) from Cambridge (obviously not the same as Oxford, but it should be an indicator) comparing applicants to Trinity College and Murray Edwards College. Although a smaller percentage of applicants to Trinity got into Trinity than that of applicants to Murray Edwards got into Murray Edwards, a larger proportion of applicants to Trinity got into Cambridge than Murray Edwards candidates. I apologise for the dreadful syntax of that sentence.
mairi_rob
Is there a sort of general consensus that the pooling system generally works out quite fairly - i.e. for the kids who shoot for the tougher colleges and get rejected from there but are Oxford-quality, they're fairly certain to be given the chance to have a crack somewhere else?
(It's just a bit tricky all the way from my part of the world discerning whether in reality pooling seems to be successful)

No one really knows. It's never gonna be perfect of course, but that's because the system in general is quite flawed. Some statistics (as mentioned above) suggest it's working quite well, but a friend of my moms who's a professor in Oxford says it's crap. I think it's quite different for each subject and college, and even specific tutors who are more or less likely to send people on. For example, I applied to Univ for PPE, they got a lot of people that year compared to other years, but still only three of the 36 of us got an interview somewhere else. However, for some subjects, everyone automatically gets a second interview, making pooling far more likely. In conclusion, as with all Oxford admisions things, it's just vague and thinking about it too much only drives you crazy.
Reply 1083
elieshout
No one really knows. It's never gonna be perfect of course, but that's because the system in general is quite flawed. Some statistics (as mentioned above) suggest it's working quite well, but a friend of my moms who's a professor in Oxford says it's crap. I think it's quite different for each subject and college, and even specific tutors who are more or less likely to send people on. For example, I applied to Univ for PPE, they got a lot of people that year compared to other years, but still only three of the 36 of us got an interview somewhere else. However, for some subjects, everyone automatically gets a second interview, making pooling far more likely. In conclusion, as with all Oxford admisions things, it's just vague and thinking about it too much only drives you crazy.


FYI mairi, the point about second interviews is unlikely to apply to you unless you decide to actually go to Oxford to interview - the Aussie undergrads I know just had one interview of about 30min in length via phone/webcam.
elieshout
For example, I applied to Univ for PPE, they got a lot of people that year compared to other years, but still only three of the 36 of us got an interview somewhere else.


Equally, a lot of times there is a lot of pooling and applying to a competitive college could end up improving your chances. Its not perfect - it never could be - but its pretty good and certainly not worth affecting your college choice (unless, for example, you weren't very fussy about what college you are at but don't want to end up at certain others, in which case applying to avoid being pooled could be good...)
Ahh wow okay. Many decisions to make! It sort of looks like a competitive (New perhaps) vs. lesser so (LMH) in that case. Depends how much faith I have in pooling (and my own ability!)...
Cheers for all the advice - I'm sure I'll be begging more of it in the very near future haha. Thanks though
Reply 1086
How do I find out the quality of a particular subject taught at a particular college? (If the statistics are available.) I mean: Some colleges reportedly motivate their students better to work and provide an outstanding equipment related to the subject.
Reply 1087
Ivanka
How do I find out the quality of a particular subject taught at a particular college? (If the statistics are available.) I mean: Some colleges reportedly motivate their students better to work and provide an outstanding equipment related to the subject.

It's rubbish, basically. Occasionally some colleges have particularly good tutors in certain subjects, but other than that it doesn't make a difference. Plus you're often taught out of college anyway - this term I don't have any tutes in Merton whatsoever. Some colleges do better overall, and for that you can look at the Norrington Table, but there's nothing subject-specific. Also, a degree from Oxford is a degree from Oxford, and your degree class is more likely to depend upon you than your college.
Reply 1088
Bezzler
It's rubbish, basically. Occasionally some colleges have particularly good tutors in certain subjects, but other than that it doesn't make a difference. Plus you're often taught out of college anyway - this term I don't have any tutes in Merton whatsoever. Some colleges do better overall, and for that you can look at the Norrington Table, but there's nothing subject-specific. Also, a degree from Oxford is a degree from Oxford, and your degree class is more likely to depend upon you than your college.


So what's the point of the college system if colleges play a minor role in subject teaching? It seems insignificant to me.
Ivanka
So what's the point of the college system if colleges play a minor role in subject teaching?


The social and support side of things.
Reply 1090
What is Merton like? I have been "investigating" it on the internet, my cousin went to St. Edmund Hall so he's biased, but for some reason Merton appeals to me? Could anybody please tell me more?
Reply 1091
it has a fierce academic reputation, rivalled by st johns and magdalen. if a pressure-cooker environment appeals then it is the place for you, if you'd rather a more laid back college then don't apply to merton :smile: in terms of physical location i don't find it particularly attractive, though it has pleasant gardens and a central location.
Reply 1092
Ideot
What is Merton like? I have been "investigating" it on the internet, my cousin went to St. Edmund Hall so he's biased, but for some reason Merton appeals to me? Could anybody please tell me more?

I can't be bothered to answer the same question twice, so I'll tell you here.

ICQ
it has a fierce academic reputation, rivalled by st johns and magdalen. if a pressure-cooker environment appeals then it is the place for you, if you'd rather a more laid back college then don't apply to merton :smile: in terms of physical location i don't find it particularly attractive, though it has pleasant gardens and a central location.

I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit. It does have a very strong academic reputation, but I don't think there's anything especially pressured about it, especially with the Warden leaving this year. The expectation, particularly among scientists, is that you will be aiming for a first, which is different to many other colleges, but rather than being like "you're not working to a first, do more work!" it's like "you seem to be struggling to get to a first, how can we help?" and so is a really good, supportive environment. And I don't know how anyone could think Merton is not attractive, I think it's in the top few. http://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/oxfordtour/....asp?nodeid=11 I think it's beautiful, and you can sit on the lawns and try to revise, which is awesome. I can't extol the virtues of Merton enough :biggrin:

And I don't think being 16 at interview will count that much against you - it depends when your birthday is. Have you considered taking a gap year, though? Simply because arriving at uni at age 17 means it's harder to do the fun stuff, i.e. clubbing and drinking, and although there were people who did it and coped fine, it wouldn't appeal to me.
Reply 1093
Bezzler
It does have a very strong academic reputation, but I don't think there's anything especially pressured about it, especially with the Warden leaving this year. The expectation, particularly among scientists, is that you will be aiming for a first, which is different to many other colleges, but rather than being like "you're not working to a first, do more work!" it's like "you seem to be struggling to get to a first, how can we help?" and so is a really good, supportive environment.


I agree that Merton's academic obsession is sometimes overexaggerated, but I have met Mertonians who say that there can be quite a lot of rivalry and competitiveness amongst people doing the same subject :dontknow: That might just be a couple of individuals rather than the whole college.
Mook
I agree that Merton's academic obsession is sometimes overexaggerated, but I have met Mertonians who say that there can be quite a lot of rivalry and competitiveness amongst people doing the same subject :dontknow: That might just be a couple of individuals rather than the whole college.

Agreed, but there's a massive difference between it being competitive, and the horror story urban myths of tutors throwing people out and putting pressure on them to do nothing but work.
Reply 1095
Mook
I agree that Merton's academic obsession is sometimes overexaggerated, but I have met Mertonians who say that there can be quite a lot of rivalry and competitiveness amongst people doing the same subject :dontknow: That might just be a couple of individuals rather than the whole college.

I've never come across that at all - I often work on essays with other people, and discuss ideas and stuff, and that seems to be true of everyone I know. There might be one or two individuals, but I haven't come across them, and I expect that would be just as true at other colleges.
Hi, I've just got an offer to do a PGCE at Oxford. I'm at Wadham at the moment but that is apparently full so I need a new college for next year. The ones that are already full are:

Brasenose, Christ Church, Jesus, Keble, Lady Margaret Hall, Linacre, Lincoln, Magdalen, Merton, New, Pembroke, St Edmund Hall, St Peter’s, Trinity, Wadham and Worcester.

I was wondering especially about two things. Firstly, would any college provide accommodation, either in College or out (like Wadham's Merifield) to me, and secondly do any of them have any parking facilities for a PGCE student (and if not, are any of them located near somewhere where I could leave my car on the road full time and without it being vandalised).




Thanks in advance for any help!

EDIT: Just read that these colleges only accept their own students, so I guess they're off the list as well:

Balliol, Corpus Christi, Exeter, Hertford and St John’s.
Reply 1097
Okay, thanks v much :smile:
I like the idea of lots of very academic people "striving for excellence", discussing James Joyce :smile::smile: The gardens sound beautiful too... Want To Go To Merton Now!
It's rubbish being younger than your peers sometimes.
:frown:
Ideot
Want To Go To Merton Now!


ICQ
if a pressure-cooker environment appeals then it is the place for you


That's simply not true.

The whole reputation thing has its sole base on the Norrington table, and if people actually bothered to pay it close attention they'd see that the gaps between most of the colleges amounts to like 1 or 2 firsts - that's two or 3 people out of 90 getting a better result - hardly indicative of some sort of enforced study regime.
Before half term all year 12 students at my school who were interested in applying to Oxford or Cambridge had to go to a meeting held by the Head of Sixth Form.

She told us that by the end of half term she would like to have a good idea of which college we want to apply to because she says no two students should apply to the same college and particularly for the same subject. I would love to study biological sciences at Oxford!

So... I was wondering if you could suggest some colleges?

I would like it to be quite centrally located (close to the science area?) and with old buildings and nice grounds, it would also be good if it could provide accomodation for the whole three years and be not too small or too big. I would also like it to be fairly sociable and have a nice JCR. I'm not really sporty so that wouldn't matter.

I'm only really loking for suggestions because I have no idea!

Thanks in advance.

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