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kenbellston
oh really? they are different? i thought the difficulty level is the same, but just different papers... isnt the A levels from UK? i think its called Cambridge Advanced Level right? i have seen my friends papers in singapore.... and i cant do half of the stuff, and they looked at mine, and laughed.....:frown: :frown: :s-smilie: :s-smilie:


UK A-level Maths isn't anywhere near as tough as IB Maths HL.
PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
Christ, I hope you fail your superior IB.

This topic should either be moved to General or deleted because the OP isn't going to get any unbiased, mature and sensible feedback, and the pompous morons in this thread shouldn't have the privilege of swaying other people's opinions.


What have I said that is biased?
shamrock92
What have I said that is biased?


"UK A-level Maths isn't anywhere near as tough as IB Maths HL."

& everything else you've posted in this thread. How on Earth would you know? There is a reason why universities prefer A levels you know.
PurpleMonkeyDishwasher

This topic should either be moved to General or deleted because the OP isn't going to get any unbiased, mature and sensible feedback, and the pompous morons in this thread shouldn't have the privilege of swaying other people's opinions.


Agreed.The topic should be moved to where everyone will see it. Suggesting there's no sensible feedback here is something else altogether. (Didn't you post 'but lol ur jus copy n pastin textBUKs!!!1111111' in response to someone earlier? You're hardly one to talk) I was in the same position last year, choosing between A level's and IB and found that any information at all was useful in my desicion, provided I had a healthy dose from both sides of the argument.

The OP will just have to accept that there's going to be varying amounts of bias.
PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
"UK A-level Maths isn't anywhere near as tough as IB Maths HL."

& everything else you've posted in this thread. How on Earth would you know? There is a reason why universities prefer A levels you know.


Do you really think getting a 7 at Maths HL is equatable to getting a A in A-level Maths? Really? I've done a couple of A-level Maths modules, and I found them a doss compared to what I'm doing now - and I'm not even particularly good at Maths. IB HL has the majority of the pure content of Maths and Further Maths A-level - in less than half the lesson time. The exam questions are much harder, too. Guys in the year above at my school have already guaranteed an A with their earlier modules, whereas equally smart guys doing IB are still working their socks off to scrape through. I really can't believe that, at a time when 20-25% of people are dossing their way to As yet less than 10% of candidates get 7s at IB, you're suggesting they're even remotely comparable.

The reason Universities "prefer" A-levels is because it's what they're used to, and they're not particularly familiar with IB yet.
And the IB is a pretty pointless qualification, everyone keeps saying you get skills for uni, well why not just wait until you go to uni to learn the skills. It has a lot of pretty useless knowledge for one to learn as well, imo no ones gonna use all the 6 subjects that they do for the IB at uni, where as if one does A-Levels they probably will. All the people I know who do it, are people that cannot study any given subject in depth, and that are very bad at sitting exams (so IB because lots of coursework) I was thinking of doing the IB but i can do 6 A-Levels (which will all be grade A) and a EPQ, and Doe, which will be seen as far better than the IB. I've looked at the work produced by IB relatives and friends, and looked at A-Level work, and the A-Level work seems much harder to get a higher grade. People often have a very myopic view of the IB difficulty, just because one does more work it in no way means they are more skilled in anything but learning lots of different facts. The compulsary second language thing is also pretty pointless, it just makes it a qualification in which only people who are good at languages can truely sucseed. Its relitavly pointless for the most acedemic people because like me, they simply don't care about things outside their chosen field of exelence.
Reply 47
So I think an unbiased opinion is impossible unless there is any one out there who has done both A-levels and IB. Although I agree that IB does offer some advantages - more subjects = wider range of knowledge and understanding - it does not neccesarily mean it is "superior". Equally A-levels also have advantges- subjects studied more in depth. I do A levels and can safely say that it is not an 'out of a text book' qualification. Also I have done so much research into certain topics over the past two years that I've thought my head would explode! So it's not an 'easier' or 'lazier' option, those who have chosen the lazy route have either failed most of their AS exams or dropped out all together. I'm sure the same goes for IB - you reap what you soe. I know an IB student and we've had this discussion many times and both agree with the statement: "IB is more about breadth whereas A-levels are more about depth". Because of this I would suggest that perhaps if you are unsure what you want to do at University I would do IB, but if you know what you want to do A-levels may be for you. Though perhaps that by putting this in the IB discussion area you've already made up your mind? I hope you're happy with whatever decision you finally make. Good Luck!
Reply 48
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Firstly, the extended essay and coursework are two completely different things with the IB. The extended essay is more than just "coursework" it develops your researching skills as well as teaching you to work independently which will certainly prepare you well for university. Correct me if I'm wrong but i doubt many a-level students have to write a 4000 word report? On top of that IB students have 6 other subjects with coursework in all of them compared to a-levels where it's very rare for someone to take that many subjects. Also, as I do both english and history, we also get set essays regularly, and the amount of coursework for english is 50% of the grade..and that doesn't just involve essays and reports..we also have to carry out presentations as well oral commentaries. I'm not saying we're the "elitists" - as you put it - just because we do all this, but the skills you pick up as an IB student through the 2 years are invaluable for university.



First of all I accept the fact IB is difficult but I don't get why people doing the IB think all A levels are easy?? It all depends on the quality of college/ 6th form you go to. I'm currently at 6th form and studying A2 Maths, Physics, Art, Product Design, General Studies and I studied Music last year for AS but didn't continue. So I don't feel that I have had any less of a variety than I would have for IB. I also don't understand how this guy I've quoted can assume that A level students don't have to wright essays that cause us to work independantly, I agree some 6th forms or colleges may spoon feed you and reduce word counts but I've just spent 3 months writing an Astrophysics essay which had to be 6000 words long and my Physics teacher has been off sick for 2 months. Our college didn't provide our class with a cover teacher resulting in us having no support what so ever and having to work solely independantly as we were all writing separte individual topics in our class. We also have to conduct presentations and displays as part of modules. I honestly don't think the work load and difficultly is that much different, as it is NOT easy to get an A.
Reply 49
PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
but lol ur jus copy n pastin textBUKs!!!1111111

IB iz 4 the 1ntellectual nd 3lite!!111one



You are an absolute tard and have no idea. Get off your high horse.
shamrock92
Do you really think getting a 7 at Maths HL is equatable to getting a A in A-level Maths? Really? I've done a couple of A-level Maths modules, and I found them a doss compared to what I'm doing now


Shamrock, because of the different content across various modules in A level maths, you can't really compare maths A level to IB HL. For instance, HL falls down considerably when it comes to mechanics (try a M1 or M2 paper). In contrast, the complex numbers we do in IB don't show up until FP1 and FP2 that you don't even do for the normal A level. I've asked some maths teachers about this and I think the general consensus is that the difficulty of HL maths lies somewhere between maths and further maths A level.
Ehmo
If I didn't 'actually learn things' and 'pick up genuine skills', I doubt I would have got into University.

You should've posted this in General Discussion for less biased answers.

If you're very clever, and very well rounded, and don't know what you want to do at Uni/ don't want to do a highly specific course, then go for IB.
If not, or you want to go for Oxbridge, or you know what course you want to do, then go for A levels.

In general, the IB lot like to think they're a very 'elite' group, so, as I said, 'IB Discussion' was not the best place to put this.


I suggest you take six A-levels at the same time then tell us if we're an "elite group" or not. Oh, and write a 4,000 word essay at the same time as doing all that.
Back on track: On a less academic note, fitting 150 hours of CAS around schoolwork helps time management skills and makes you a more rounded person allegedly. Sure, many A level students do extra curricular stuff too, but it's not a requirement. OP, if you're all about the schoolwork, then A levels are the better option.
Why don't you try the new qualification from CIE, the Cambridge Pre-Us? They look really good in terms of syllabus, kind of like the difficulty of the UK A levels 25 years ago? http://www.cie.org.uk/qualifications/academic/uppersec/preu
EierVonSatan
I like those too :holmes:


Hopefully it will lead to publishers reprinting classic textbooks, like Philip Matthews' Advanced Chemistry and EN Ramsden's A Level Chemistry 3rd edition, the former which is out of print and the latter which has had portions removed in the 4th edition, because the Cambridge Pre-U's requires content from them. :smile:
titch2288
So I think an unbiased opinion is impossible unless there is any one out there who has done both A-levels and IB. Although I agree that IB does offer some advantages - more subjects = wider range of knowledge and understanding - it does not neccesarily mean it is "superior". Equally A-levels also have advantges- subjects studied more in depth. I do A levels and can safely say that it is not an 'out of a text book' qualification. Also I have done so much research into certain topics over the past two years that I've thought my head would explode! So it's not an 'easier' or 'lazier' option, those who have chosen the lazy route have either failed most of their AS exams or dropped out all together. I'm sure the same goes for IB - you reap what you soe. I know an IB student and we've had this discussion many times and both agree with the statement: "IB is more about breadth whereas A-levels are more about depth". Because of this I would suggest that perhaps if you are unsure what you want to do at University I would do IB, but if you know what you want to do A-levels may be for you. Though perhaps that by putting this in the IB discussion area you've already made up your mind? I hope you're happy with whatever decision you finally make. Good Luck!


Yeah I agree - having done one year of IB and restarting y12 to do A levels (dont ask!) and staying in contact with all my ib buddies, I actually think with A levels you had more independance because you can do your own work and revision. Although this is true for IB as well, you have so little time that this is extremely difficult!
Reply 56
Just to clear matters up. I spoke to my counselor and he explicitly said that IB HL Maths is more advanced than A-Level Maths.
fizzicsfiend
Back on track: On a less academic note, fitting 150 hours of CAS around schoolwork helps time management skills and makes you a more rounded person allegedly. Sure, many A level students do extra curricular stuff too, but it's not a requirement. OP, if you're all about the schoolwork, then A levels are the better option.


This is true, but only to the extent that it gets you started, which is harder if you do A levels. However, with CAS you almost feel guilty when you continously ask for people to sign forms, and CAS students are often less motivated to do a task, they just do it to complete CAS, not to actually help people.
Reply 58
Scherzando225
This is true, but only to the extent that it gets you started, which is harder if you do A levels. However, with CAS you almost feel guilty when you continously ask for people to sign forms, and CAS students are often less motivated to do a task, they just do it to complete CAS, not to actually help people.


The first few times, as you said, are rather mundane, if you will, but as you start to get into CAS you begin to appreciate the work you're doing and its impact on the world around you. CAS trips are also organised for the 'less motivated'.
Siddd
The first few times, as you said, are rather mundane, if you will, but as you start to get into CAS you begin to appreciate the work you're doing and its impact on the world around you. CAS trips are also organised for the 'less motivated'.


haha that is so IB:
"as you start to get into CAS you begin to appreciate the work you're doing and its impact on the world around you." :biggrin:
true for some, but that just doesn't happen for most!