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Reply 60
Also, I think it's fair to say that A-Level is an archaic system hence the need for reform e.g the implementation of A*. IB, on the other hand, provides a balanced curriculum to target the mutual improvement of a student. Notwithstanding, some IB HL subjects aren't up to par with their A-Level counterparts.
Scherzando225
This is true, but only to the extent that it gets you started, which is harder if you do A levels. However, with CAS you almost feel guilty when you continously ask for people to sign forms, and CAS students are often less motivated to do a task, they just do it to complete CAS, not to actually help people.


Yeah, our CAS coordinator is all about 'experiences', and has a go at us if we ask about how many hours we'd get for whatever we're asking about. I can't deny there are people with that attitude, but helping others is only 1/3 of it remember. Besides, if you're stuck doing an activity with a bunch of mates and are only doing it for CAS hours, you usually see the bright side of things and get something out of it anyway.
Reply 62
Scherzando225
haha that is so IB:
"as you start to get into CAS you begin to appreciate the work you're doing and its impact on the world around you." :biggrin:
true for some, but that just doesn't happen for most!


Well, obviously not. You are going to have people who detest doing service, regardless of benefits. However, the IB attempts to cultivate the notion that you are part of an international community and it is thus your duty to respect the world around you. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence on the internet supporting my position that the IB can gear students into becoming more 'international', per se.
Siddd
Also, I think it's fair to say that A-Level is an archaic system hence the need for reform e.g the implementation of A*. IB, on the other hand, provides a balanced curriculum to target the mutual improvement of a student. Notwithstanding, some IB HL subjects aren't up to par with their A-Level counterparts.


A levels may be archaic, but IB is more "traditional". There are many more factors in IB that make it less appealing to a modern generation, imo.
EierVonSatan
Awesome choices...I have a copy of Ramsden (first edition) which I would recommend to anyone looking to take the subject seriously. I think a big part of the problem with modern A-levels is the breaking down of content into modules - the Pre-U fixes this, adds more content and judging by the specimen materials the exams are a good deal harder.


I totally agree. Sadly, I never managed to purchase a copy of Philip Matthews's classic chemistry test. I only came across it in the library. As for EN Ramsden's A Level Chemistry, I managed to buy a few second hand copies of the 3rd edition. I've been trying to get into contact with EN Ramsden, but its really difficult. Haha. When I contacted the publisher about reprinting the 3rd edition, they stopped replying after awhile. :frown: It is a sad day for knowledge today, but hopefully it will change! On the other hand, I have to commend the same publishers for keeping Roger Muncaster's classic Physics text the exact same way it has been, and for publishing ALL the different editions of Bostock and Chandler's Mathematics texts.
Siddd
Well, obviously not. You are going to have people who detest doing service, regardless of benefits. However, the IB attempts to cultivate the notion that you are part of an international community and it is thus your duty to respect the world around you. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence on the internet supporting my position that the IB can gear students into becoming more 'international', per se.


I definitely agree :biggrin:
but...unfortunately unis dont seem to recognise that IB gives you this sense of international awarness
E_D_B
How, exactly? You clearly don't know anything about the IB.


Well, that is what I was told by a teacher and it seemed pretty logical to me, since with A levels in eg Biology, Chemistry and Maths it would be very tricky to get in for a History course at university because that subject combination is a bit narrow, whilst with IB you have to have at least 2 languages, at least one science, maths, etc. anyway.
Mangaartist
Well, that is what I was told by a teacher and it seemed pretty logical to me, since with A levels in eg Biology, Chemistry and Maths it would be very tricky to get in for a History course at university because that subject combination is a bit narrow, whilst with IB you have to have at least 2 languages, at least one science, maths, etc. anyway.


nope not true! having done a year of IB I suddenly decided I wanted to do medicine, my standard levels in maths and physics were useless, but if I had done A levels, at least 1 subject would have been a science, and I could have done an AS in y13, while with IB I had no choice but to restart y12.

The breadth of IB is almost useless except so that you can study more subjects for an extra 2 years, which you may enjoy.
Reply 68
gingerbread_traveller
I suggest you take six A-levels at the same time then tell us if we're an "elite group" or not. Oh, and write a 4,000 word essay at the same time as doing all that.


You appear to have missed what I said entirely.
I myself don't see you as an elite group, but IBers in general tend to see themselves as elite, superior. Thus, by posting this in IB Discussion, the OP has not been very tactful as he/she will recieve many unbiased answers.

Good luck with your essay, make sure you do your best.
Reply 69
<liverpoolfc>
Firstly, the extended essay and coursework are two completely different things with the IB. The extended essay is more than just "coursework" it develops your researching skills as well as teaching you to work independently which will certainly prepare you well for university. Correct me if I'm wrong but i doubt many a-level students have to write a 4000 word report? On top of that IB students have 6 other subjects with coursework in all of them compared to a-levels where it's very rare for someone to take that many subjects. Also, as I do both english and history, we also get set essays regularly, and the amount of coursework for english is 50% of the grade..and that doesn't just involve essays and reports..we also have to carry out presentations as well oral commentaries. I'm not saying we're the "elitists" - as you put it - just because we do all this, but the skills you pick up as an IB student through the 2 years are invaluable for university.


I'm pretty sure that without using "researching skills", most A Level students would fail their coursework - JSTOR was my best friend during the whole coursework period. As for working independently... what, do A Level students get their friends / parents / teachers to write their work for them or something? Regarding presentations, I did one a few days ago; moreover, "oral commentaries" happen every lesson in most institutions, just people aren't usually pretentious enough to use such a label for what is essentially partaking in a class discussion.
Reply 70
Scherzando225
nope not true! having done a year of IB I suddenly decided I wanted to do medicine, my standard levels in maths and physics were useless, but if I had done A levels, at least 1 subject would have been a science, and I could have done an AS in y13, while with IB I had no choice but to restart y12.

The breadth of IB is almost useless except so that you can study more subjects for an extra 2 years, which you may enjoy.


Not entirely. In the US, a good IB score can save you a year. This is, obviously, not applicable in the UK and so is essentially of no use like you said.
EierVonSatan
Those are the books I owe my A-level grades to :love: They are just so much more stretching and complete than the specification specific texts currently being mass produced. If you are looking to do chemistry at university then you may also like G Stephensons ''Mathematical methods for science students'' :smile:


Which Bostock and Chandler one did you use? I prefer Pure Mathematics 1 and Pure Mathematics 2 although Mathematics: The Core Course for Advanced Level and Further Pure Mathematics is pretty good too.

I hope to be able to buy brand new copies of those old classic Chemistry texts, just for sentimental reasons. I managed to get the one of the last few printed in Britain copies of Pure Mathematics 1; the newer ones are printed in India, and I don't quite like the print quality...
Reply 72
Izzen
I'm pretty sure that without using "researching skills", most A Level students would fail their coursework - JSTOR was my best friend during the whole coursework period. As for working independently... what, do A Level students get their friends / parents / teachers to write their work for them or something? Regarding presentations, I did one a few days ago; moreover, "oral commentaries" happen every lesson in most institutions, just people aren't usually pretentious enough to use such a label for what is essentially partaking in a class discussion.


Class discussion aren't exactly oral commentaries. We had class discussions when we did our GCSEs. Oral commentary is when you stand up in front of a judging body and deliver a speech, in essence, about your area of interest in a literary piece you have studied.
EierVonSatan
These pair - the red and yellow ones :biggrin:


Ahahaha. Those books have been in print for close to 30 years. I don't like the latest, Core Maths for A level, although it would be a good text for secondary school Additional Maths.
Siddd
In the US, a good IB score can save you a year.


what do you mean? you can go to uni a year early?!
and true it's not UK anyway, so i'm not too bothered!
do not do IB!!!!!! for the love of everything you hold dear. Do not do it, i have 4 friends all oxbridge material. 3 of them did IB and got rejected from oxbridge and all good unis. The 4th one that did A levels got an offer from cambridge econ. This sort of speaks for itself.

Too much work, for too little reward.
A levels are more recgonised and respected, in this country anyway
Scherzando225
nope not true! having done a year of IB I suddenly decided I wanted to do medicine, my standard levels in maths and physics were useless, but if I had done A levels, at least 1 subject would have been a science, and I could have done an AS in y13, while with IB I had no choice but to restart y12.

The breadth of IB is almost useless except so that you can study more subjects for an extra 2 years, which you may enjoy.


Fair enough, I just believed what I was told by a teacher. In that case though the IB doesn't have that many advantages at all, no?
Reply 77
Scherzando225
what do you mean? you can go to uni a year early?!
and true it's not UK anyway, so i'm not too bothered!


Well, in the US, you are compelled to take a lot of rudimentary and complementary electives in your first year to bridge the gap between AP and University. Doing the IB can make you exempt from doing these electives and could perhaps allow you to graduate a year early.
fizzicsfiend
Shamrock, because of the different content across various modules in A level maths, you can't really compare maths A level to IB HL. For instance, HL falls down considerably when it comes to mechanics (try a M1 or M2 paper).


I've done M1 and, without arrogance, I found it pretty easy, and I ended up with a high mark having taken it a year early. I'm now doing IB Physics HL and that's a lot tougher. Granted, the grade boundaries are lower for Physics; but the work is a lot more stretching.


fizzicsfiend
I've asked some maths teachers about this and I think the general consensus is that the difficulty of HL maths lies somewhere between maths and further maths A level.


Fair enough. In terms of content, FP probably does go into more depth. But when you think that people who do Maths and Further Maths get (in my school, at least) 24 periods of Maths a fortnight, and we get 10 a fortnight for Maths at IB, being able to get to grips with all of the material is where the challenge comes. I'm ready to admit that the content isn't too bad; it's often the pace it comes at.

Still, I think IB Maths HL is far, far harder than straight A-level Maths (without Further), which was my original point; and I think it can rival Further Maths to some extent.
Siddd
Also, I think it's fair to say that A-Level is an archaic system hence the need for reform e.g the implementation of A*. IB, on the other hand, provides a balanced curriculum to target the mutual improvement of a student. Notwithstanding, some IB HL subjects aren't up to par with their A-Level counterparts.


Such as?