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competition for masters & phd advice needed.

Hello tsr peeps

I was wondering, does uni rep count towards a better chance of competiting for a place on a masters course after graduation?

The thing is, i've declined an offer from the university of manchester which has the best course reputation for audiology. I couldn't see myself living there and weren't really liking the place, and the teaching is no way as good as ucl too. Therefore, i thought i have a better chance in getting a 1st @ ucl.

Is the course rep & uni rep negligible in the competition for places on the MSci course?

Thanks for any advice.
Reply 1
They probably consider all factors, although the primary emphasis would perhaps be on the grades. There was this controversy some time ago where a document from Oxford was leaked, showing that Oxford postgrad admissions people prioritize people coming from *top* unis. As UCL compares well with Manchester anyway, I think you need not worry. :smile:
nas7232
Hello tsr peeps

I was wondering, does uni rep count towards a better chance of competiting for a place on a masters course after graduation?

The thing is, i've declined an offer from the university of manchester which has the best course reputation for audiology. I couldn't see myself living there and weren't really liking the place, and the teaching is no way as good as ucl too. Therefore, i thought i have a better chance in getting a 1st @ ucl.

Is the course rep & uni rep negligible in the competition for places on the MSci course?

Thanks for any advice.


Sometimes it does if you want to applying for funding/scholarships though. Don't worry the uni's you chose have good reputation!

It's ok to decline a uni that you don't want to go, because of the living conditions. People have their own factors to consider about choosing and studying in uni's anyway.
Reply 3
I don't think that it matters too much, ucl is well respected but let me tell u my situation.
I'm 26 flunked my a levels in 1997 (D,D,E.) Bad i know!!!! I never turned up had a couple of "Wild years."
I did my B.A. (Hons.) Business and Human Resource Management at Manchester Metropolitan University and got a 2.1. I was there 2001-2004. It was ok I guess.
I applied to the university of manchester for a MSc. Human Resource Management & Industrial Relations and I have been given an unconditional offer for september 2005 and i can't believe my luck!!!!!!! I never thought I would get in but I did do a fab statement of purpose, got 77% in dissertation and had excellent academic references.
I guess all things are taken into account I can't believe i have finally got past the horror of my a levels it was like havin a criminal record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good luck
jo.xxxxxxxxxxx :smile:
Reply 4
I did my D.Phil at Oxford, after doing my first degree at Swansea - I 'beat' Oxford graduates to the position, so as long as you can hold your own at interview etc, and have a good degree, you should have as good a chance as any!
Reply 5
Fluffy
I did my D.Phil at Oxford, after doing my first degree at Swansea - I 'beat' Oxford graduates to the position, so as long as you can hold your own at interview etc, and have a good degree, you should have as good a chance as any!


Exactly! My friend applied to a phd position straight after graduating with a 2:1 (i.e. he didn't have a masters) and yet he beat three other applicants to the position, who all had masters degrees.
In science, masters degrees don't really mean much unless they are a minimum entry qualification for the PhD programme. Supervisors are far more likely to pick someone they feel they can work with and who has a genuine interest in the project.
Reply 7
Fluffy
I did my D.Phil at Oxford, after doing my first degree at Swansea - I 'beat' Oxford graduates to the position, so as long as you can hold your own at interview etc, and have a good degree, you should have as good a chance as any!


Ooh good job there!
ChemistBoy
In science, masters degrees don't really mean much unless they are a minimum entry qualification for the PhD programme. Supervisors are far more likely to pick someone they feel they can work with and who has a genuine interest in the project.


Hmmmmm, I certainly don't think having an MSci does you any harm when applying for further research-based positions!! It can make the difference.

In my course, the fourth year project is the only opportunity you have to show your ability in the lab and experience real research, which counts a lot more than exam percentages IME.

I did three summer placements and a 4500 word dissertation, which in addition to my fourth year project meant I got a really good PhD place, despite less than brilliant exam results.

Roz.
black_dragon_9
Hmmmmm, I certainly don't think having an MSci does you any harm when applying for further research-based positions!! It can make the difference.

In my course, the fourth year project is the only opportunity you have to show your ability in the lab and experience real research, which counts a lot more than exam percentages IME.

I did three summer placements and a 4500 word dissertation, which in addition to my fourth year project meant I got a really good PhD place, despite less than brilliant exam results.

Roz.


Yes, but there are plenty of examples of people from Nottingham leaving with BSc's and doing PhD's at Cambridge and the like. Nottingham is a bit unusual in not offereing a project as part of its BSc course (all chemistry students at St Andrews undertook a project).

As I said before, a Masters will open more doors as it is the minimum requirement for entry to many PhD programmes, but it's really the rest of the deal that supervisors are going to look at as the qualifications are generally a given.
Reply 10
In retrospect, given the level of completion, I think I was completely mad to apply for only one PhD place and no jobs! :eek:
Reply 11
I don't think it makes much difference, admissions will be looking more at your academic results and your relevant work experience/interest in the course rather than where you got your degree.

Obviously if it comes from Cambridge/Oxford etc then they probably will pay a bit more attention to your application! Whether thats fair or not is another matter!
SamJL

Obviously if it comes from Cambridge/Oxford etc then they probably will pay a bit more attention to your application! Whether thats fair or not is another matter!


It's just not really true though. Academics are a lot more clued up on the actually university situation than most people and they realise that oxbridge isn't as far ahead as most people on here like to think (certainly for my subject area).