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Reply 1
I am also thinking of doing a PGCE in secondary maths after my degree. Any info please.

I am particualrly iterested in the placements eg. how accomodation was found, living expenses etc.
Reply 3
hey bellacat, are u doing/ planning to do pgce at Cambridge ?
Reply 4
Did. I did a PGCE at Homerton, graduated in 1998 which was a college which attracts a little superciliousness sneering. Notice the emphsis on 'the post 2001 crowd', to separate themselves from what had come before i.e.:ickle old me.

Anyway, I felt as though I was being propelled towards the end of the course at an alarming rate (This is a four year course compressed into one)

My teaching practice was (from my memory which is kinda screwed) kinda idyllic. I was guided through.

However I did not pursue that career because of irreconcilable differences and the fact that my ED was returning with a vengeance. I was hospitalised during the third term - R4.

In 2001 I completed an MPhil in American Literature (at Wolfson) and I spent much of the third term in S4 but people tolerated because they knew i would get the work done, even if it wasn't to their high standards. And I churned out my thesis.

see a pattern there?
Reply 5
I'm starting a Primary PGCE course in September (well on the condition that I get a 2:1 in my degree). I really hope I manage to, cos I am really looking forward to it!
Reply 6
lynseyweth
I'm starting a Primary PGCE course in September (well on the condition that I get a 2:1 in my degree). I really hope I manage to, cos I am really looking forward to it!


what do you do in primary PGCE? :confused:
Reply 7
ms_d
what do you do in primary PGCE? :confused:

It qualifies you to become a primary school teacher. It's a 9 month course and at the end of it (if you pass) you get QTS.
Reply 8
lynseyweth
It qualifies you to become a primary school teacher. It's a 9 month course and at the end of it (if you pass) you get QTS.


Do you definitely need to get a 2:1 to do a PGCE? Like, I mean, in general, not you specifically.
Jenna999
Do you definitely need to get a 2:1 to do a PGCE? Like, I mean, in general, not you specifically.


Yes, I think so.
Reply 10
i think its preferable to have 2:1, but it depends on uni, some specify specific grade, some say good honours degree, and others say a previous degree. i only got a 2.2 in my degree, iv not been offered a place yet, but im heading for an interview end of may, so fingers crossed it will go ok
Reply 11
lynseyweth
I'm starting a Primary PGCE course in September (well on the condition that I get a 2:1 in my degree). I really hope I manage to, cos I am really looking forward to it!



congrats on getting a place for September !!! iv not yet got a definate place, but hopefully interview will b ok, and il get an offer !! well fingers crossed anyway!! whaat uni did u get accepted to ???
Reply 12
**R**
congrats on getting a place for September !!! iv not yet got a definate place, but hopefully interview will b ok, and il get an offer !! well fingers crossed anyway!! whaat uni did u get accepted to ???

Thanks, I will be gutted if I don't get a 2:1 though. I rang them and asked what would happen if I didn't get a 2:1 and they said that they can be fliexible in certain situations - so double fingers crossed lol.
I will be doing it at Northumbria Uni. Where have you applied to?
Reply 13
lynseyweth
Thanks, I will be gutted if I don't get a 2:1 though. I rang them and asked what would happen if I didn't get a 2:1 and they said that they can be fliexible in certain situations - so double fingers crossed lol.
I will be doing it at Northumbria Uni. Where have you applied to?



WELL iv not been accepted yet but iv got an interview soon at St.martin's college, i dont know much about it though , or the area its in ,but il glad to get a place though !!

i think u would b allowed on the course if u dont get a 2.1, if they impressed with u enoug to give u a place. esp if u get 2.2, or only just missed 2.1 by a few marks
Personally, and this is my personal opinion so feel free to flame me, I think if you are not on course for a 2:1 you should be asking yourself some serious questions about whether or not you should become a teacher, especially at secondary level. Personally (again) I think that a 2:2 shows you either lack the intelligence or motivation to do well in your subject and you should be really asking yourself 'If I can't get myself to do reasonably well in my subject do I stand a chance of getting children to? Do I know enough in-depth knowledge of my subject?'. From my experience as a pupil, without exception, all the teachers I had who had not done well at unversity weren't any good because they didn't have the knowledge, and more importantly, passion for their subject to inspire us to learn.
Reply 15
ChemistBoy
Personally, and this is my personal opinion so feel free to flame me, I think if you are not on course for a 2:1 you should be asking yourself some serious questions about whether or not you should become a teacher, especially at secondary level. Personally (again) I think that a 2:2 shows you either lack the intelligence or motivation to do well in your subject and you should be really asking yourself 'If I can't get myself to do reasonably well in my subject do I stand a chance of getting children to? Do I know enough in-depth knowledge of my subject?'. From my experience as a pupil, without exception, all the teachers I had who had not done well at unversity weren't any good because they didn't have the knowledge, and more importantly, passion for their subject to inspire us to learn.


Well (in my opinion!) thats a bit harsh! I think the most important quality for a teacher is good people/child skills and delaing with stressful situations. I've never wanted to be a teacher, but applaud those who are! It's a tough job and I don't think the fact that someone got a 2:2 in thier degree makes them a worse teacher.

Ok in a academic subject where you really use your degree, then yes, a 2:1 or better is important but once you've got a job (and this comes from actual experience as I graduated 3 years ago and have worked a lot with recruitment companies) it's totally irrelvant!! I know dozens of people who got 1st's, 2:1's, 2:2's etc and in the employment market people skills are much more inportant. At the end of the day all employers want to see is that you have a degree full stop.

Ok you'll get noticed if you've got a 1st but teachers need to do PGCE's- obviously a good mark in that is much more important than a first degree. Plus you never know, personal circumtances etc can affect results too.

We'll have to agree to disagree!!
Reply 16
ChemistBoy
Personally, and this is my personal opinion so feel free to flame me, I think if you are not on course for a 2:1 you should be asking yourself some serious questions about whether or not you should become a teacher, especially at secondary level. Personally (again) I think that a 2:2 shows you either lack the intelligence or motivation to do well in your subject and you should be really asking yourself 'If I can't get myself to do reasonably well in my subject do I stand a chance of getting children to? Do I know enough in-depth knowledge of my subject?'. From my experience as a pupil, without exception, all the teachers I had who had not done well at unversity weren't any good because they didn't have the knowledge, and more importantly, passion for their subject to inspire us to learn.


I think if you need to learn a specific subject, like if you are going to be teaching English, then yes it may be important to get a 2:1. Primary however, it is the PGCE where you learn most of your knowledge of how to teach anyway. Personal skills are just as important than professional knowledge (if not more important) when it comes to teaching primary school children. A don't think degree classification really matters, as long as you learn the appropriate skills of how to teach these children.
SamJL
Well (in my opinion!) thats a bit harsh! I think the most important quality for a teacher is good people/child skills and delaing with stressful situations. I've never wanted to be a teacher, but applaud those who are! It's a tough job and I don't think the fact that someone got a 2:2 in thier degree makes them a worse teacher.


I'm afraid it does make them a worse teacher. You have to have knowledge to impart it and you have to be passionate about your subject to want others to learn about it. I'd say degree classification is a pretty good indicator of that. Of course one needs other skills to be a good teacher, I never denied that, but knowledge and passion of your subject should be at the core.

I know how much knowledge you need to get a 2:2 in Chemistry at two top universities and I know how much passion 2:2 students have for chemistry, and I definately wouldn't want any of them teaching my kids Chemistry at school.

We should be expecting some sort of decent academic ability for teachers, it is simply not good enough just to want to be one.


Ok in a academic subject where you really use your degree, then yes, a 2:1 or better is important but once you've got a job (and this comes from actual experience as I graduated 3 years ago and have worked a lot with recruitment companies) it's totally irrelvant!! I know dozens of people who got 1st's, 2:1's, 2:2's etc and in the employment market people skills are much more inportant. At the end of the day all employers want to see is that you have a degree full stop.


This is a bit off-topic, I am also aware of this.


Ok you'll get noticed if you've got a 1st but teachers need to do PGCE's- obviously a good mark in that is much more important than a first degree. Plus you never know, personal circumtances etc can affect results too.


I'd disagree with that, a good mark in your first degree is important as I've said above. I'm afraid the personal circumstances bit just doesn't rub with me, having had some personal problems of my own and seeing classmates with personal problems during their degree get bent over backwards for, by the university, it shouldn't really be a problem. A PGCE gives you all the other skills you need to become a successful teacher, but if you don't have the knowledge and passion of the subject you are going to teach it is not going to help at all.
lynseyweth
I think if you need to learn a specific subject, like if you are going to be teaching English, then yes it may be important to get a 2:1. Primary however, it is the PGCE where you learn most of your knowledge of how to teach anyway. Personal skills are just as important than professional knowledge (if not more important) when it comes to teaching primary school children. A don't think degree classification really matters, as long as you learn the appropriate skills of how to teach these children.


Yes, primary is a bit different as you are not really using your degree subject, so I'll exclude that from the argument.
Reply 19
Surely if someone passes the PGCE exams then they are good enough regardless if they got a 1st or 2:1 or 2:2?!

I don't deny you need to be intelligent to be a teacher, but I just don't see why someone who got 59% (a 2:2) should be though of as being less suitable for the job than someone with 60% (a 2:1). I don't know about chemistry but in jobs where you are relying on professional and interactive skills (like teaching or any other similar vocation) employers DO look past a degree classification if the person is good enough.

It's all relative, but I think it's a bit narrow minded if you just discount someone for having a lesser degree.

I appreciate we don't all agree on this one though so I don't mean to be offesive!!!