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Exam Appeals

Does anyone know Oxbridge's (specifically Oxford's) attitude toward SQA appeals?

Under the Scottish system, if you get a lower-than-expected grade in the final exam then you can appeal, and, evidence permitting, upgrade your result. It usually takes sbout 3-4 weeks for people who need the grade for a uni application, according to the website.

I think legally, in terms of UCAS rules, an appealed grade is equal to a normal grade, but does anyone know if Oxbridge/-ford would reject someone with AAA at Advacned HIgher to whom they made an offer, if they had to appeal?

I emailed the SQA and they said it's the individual uni's decision, and I emailed the modlangs dept at Ox and they said it's the college's decision, but I doubt the college would have a policy on it, since it's such a rare scenarion for english unis.

Any thoughts?

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Reply 1
it's not rare in england, we're contesting grades all the time, there's some official UCAS date after the results day by which you have to have gotten your revised grades back, otherwise they're not obliged to take you, grades upped or not.
really? oh excellent!
come on - a bit of optimism. Just think, your 20+% there now. (You HAVE finished your investigations/ dissertations , haven't you? I have.... almost)
they're not obliged to take you. I had a friend who had an offer and missed his grades, appealed and got it changed but by that point they made him defer for a year.

MB
platinumki
come on - a bit of optimism. Just think, your 20+% there now. (You HAVE finished your investigations/ dissertations , haven't you? I have.... almost)


Well my dissertation is almost done; just needs some polishing up, and my German folio needs a little bit more attention - but the exams!!!

Platinumki, are you doing AH english? We're doing the media studies section; i know b*gger all! Give me two questions of Shakespeare anyday, but how can it make sense that an analysis of a Prada advert is equally weighted against an analysis of King Lear??!
Aah, the SQA!
Ah, I'm doing creative writing. It seems by far the easiest option. Exam? Or no exam? Funnily enough, I went for no exam. :biggrin:

What did you do your dissertation on?
Reply 7
I think in quite a lot of cases people in this situation are asked to defer. I know a couple of people in that situation (and nobody who's been rejected post-appeal)
platinumki
Ah, I'm doing creative writing. It seems by far the easiest option. Exam? Or no exam? Funnily enough, I went for no exam. :biggrin:

What did you do your dissertation on?


"The portrayal of adultery in 19thC. European lit." - exciting! What about you?
I was going to do the creative writing element, but then I thought (a) I cant be bothered, and (b) I'm not particularly creative.
So are you doing 4 adv. highers then? That must be a hell of a lot of work. I was doing 4, but gave up history when I got my AAA offer.

Re: being asked to defer.
Would you have to pay the 3000 pounds tuition fees, or the 1150 pounds? Why would they do that; does it not mean you take up place two yearsin a row?
WhatFreshHell?
"The portrayal of adultery in 19thC. European lit." - exciting! What about you?
I was going to do the creative writing element, but then I thought (a) I cant be bothered, and (b) I'm not particularly creative.
So are you doing 4 adv. highers then? That must be a hell of a lot of work. I was doing 4, but gave up history when I got my AAA offer.

Re: being asked to defer.
Would you have to pay the 3000 pounds tuition fees, or the 1150 pounds? Why would they do that; does it not mean you take up place two yearsin a row?


So I'm the only one doing the old Textual Analysis? Even though it's not exactly a barrel of laughs I think it will be by far the most useful for studying English at Uni. My dissertation are pretty much finished now which is quite a load off my mind, for English was about the presentation of characters in relation to the colonial experience (Rhys - Wide Sargasso Sea, Achebe - Things Fall Apart, Conrad - Heart of Darkness) and in History was "Why did the feudal class itself end feudal power in Meiji Japan?" - much more interesting than it sounds.
I HATE HEART OF DARKNESS.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.



English: A comparative study of the literary techniques employed by Elizabeth Gaskell to challenge the dominant ideologies of gender and class, of her time, with particularly reference to "Mary Barton," "Ruth" and "North and South"

Chemistry: A Comparative Analysis of the Lipid Content of Specialist Feline Foodstuffs

Biology: Investigation into the Vitamin C Content of Organic and Non-Organic Produce

Physics: Investigation into the Accuracy if Methods of Dermination of the Wavelength of Light


I'm doing four advanced highers.... hmmmm.... no I'm not sure why. I am the only person at my school who needs ANY for the courses they have applied to. hoho, what fun.

And I still haven't started unit 3 physics.

And I still haven't started poetry. At all.


Oh, I'm mad. That's what it is.

Aye, well, it's OK - I'll get into Edinburgh :p:
Reply 11
WhatFreshHell?
Re: being asked to defer.
Would you have to pay the 3000 pounds tuition fees, or the 1150 pounds? Why would they do that; does it not mean you take up place two yearsin a row?

Because offers are normally finalised during the week following A-level results day, any student who successfully appeals against their grades outside of this deadline has met the offer, however they will probably find that their place for that year has been delegated to someone in the summer pool. Obviously colleges can sometimes be more flexible if there are few people in the summer pool, but the final decision will depend on how much accommodation is available. If they've nowhere to house you, you'll have to defer if you still want to go to Oxford. I'm not sure what the top-up fees situation would be though.
Ticki
Because offers are normally finalised during the week following A-level results day, any student who successfully appeals against their grades outside of this deadline has met the offer, however they will probably find that their place for that year has been delegated to someone in the summer pool. Obviously colleges can sometimes be more flexible if there are few people in the summer pool, but the final decision will depend on how much accommodation is available. If they've nowhere to house you, you'll have to defer if you still want to go to Oxford. I'm not sure what the top-up fees situation would be though.


I think that if you deferred you'd have a pretty good case in demanding that the exam board that f**ked up pays the extra. If a legal case sounds to expensive you can always go to the press - the grauniad are always looking out for stories on the problems of PPP.

MB
But the summer pool thing wouldn't apply to me, would it, because I'm an Oxford Arts candidate. They don't do the "Open Offer" thing for Modern Languages, so they don't have a list of people ready to take my place.

I spoke to my head of year today and she said that if it goes badly and I get AAB (it could go worse, the language listenings this year are really difficult!), then she'd write and they'd appeal straight away.

I checked the UCAS website and they said conditions of an offer must be met by August 31st 2005. If I get my results on August 12th, I could write to them and let them know to hold off until I get the result of my appeal.
Hopefully.

I really should just do some more revision...
WhatFreshHell?
But the summer pool thing wouldn't apply to me, would it, because I'm an Oxford Arts candidate. They don't do the "Open Offer" thing for Modern Languages, so they don't have a list of people ready to take my place.

I spoke to my head of year today and she said that if it goes badly and I get AAB (it could go worse, the language listenings this year are really difficult!), then she'd write and they'd appeal straight away.

I checked the UCAS website and they said conditions of an offer must be met by August 31st 2005. If I get my results on August 12th, I could write to them and let them know to hold off until I get the result of my appeal.
Hopefully.

I really should just do some more revision...


That's not how it works. Before you go to pick up your results you should put the numbers of the admissions tutors for your firm and insurancce into your phone. When you pick up your results if you have missed the grades the you (yes, you, not your teacher) have to phone the admissions tutor and find out if they'll make you an offer. If they say no then I think that's the end of what you can do. They will have already decided by results day.

MB
Reply 15
A number of people in the year above me missed their grades for Oxford and the admissions tutors wouldn't even consider their cases on results day. One of them did appeal successfully but this took quite a while to go through, by which I mean it was later than 31st August. During that time he'd taken a place at Bristol and decided it wasn't worth dropping out and going to Oxford the following year. As Jacob and I have already said, if you miss your results it's extremely unlikely that Oxbridge (or any other university for that matter) will have the room to take you that year, but if your appeal is successful and you're prepared to wait a year they are obliged to take you the following year. As Jacob has indicated, someone else should foot the bill for this.
Reply 16
Ticki
but if you're prepared to wait a year they are obliged to take you the following year


just to clarify....they're only obliged to take you if your appeal is successful
Let me clarify, if I appeal to AAA I would get a place for deferred entry, without having to go through the admissions process all over again?

Thanks for the info!
would it be worth getting your year head to contact your college BEFORE May 13th?
Reply 19
Hoofbeat
just to clarify....they're only obliged to take you if your appeal is successful

Yeah, sorry if that wasn't clear in my original post.