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    A modern, developed country like the UK should scrap the NHS in its current form. It is illogical for the state to provide healthcare for all. There is no reason why I should be provided with free healthcare when I, like millions of others could pay for it myself. Health insurance costs about the same at a comprehensive Sky Digital subscription and there is not a council esate in the country without an abundence of Sky dishes.

    Why should I get free healthcare? When I define myself, I define myself as an individual and as such I expect no one to provide for me. People need to learn to take responsibility for their own lives and stop relying on an old fashioned service which designed when the world was a very different place.

    By all means provide free healthcare for those who really can not afford it. But let's make it means-tested and then Gordon Brown can stop taking as much of the money that you, I, and our parents work so hard to earn.
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    It's not entirely the Chancellor's fault that the NHS costs so much. People that smoke and binge-drink get the heart, lung and liver problems that the taxpayer has to cover, when it's their fault! Usually it's those on benefits (because "life's so crap") so maybe their benefits should be in the form of vouchers so they can't blow it on **** or booze...

    The NHS does a lot of good, and scrapping it would be succumbing to the bad publicity it receives. Keep it going, it's usually good for us.
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    (Original post by oanjum)
    ? do u want to say some positive stuff about the NHS so i can say it in the interviews?
    Well it used to be the envy of the world, thats in the days before it became the laughing stock of the world. I can put you in touch with a nigh on socialist lecturer here in Manchester who gets very excited talking about the Golden Age of welfare provision though!
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    (Original post by ZJuwelH)
    It's not entirely the Chancellor's fault that the NHS costs so much. People that smoke and binge-drink get the heart, lung and liver problems that the taxpayer has to cover, when it's their fault! Usually it's those on benefits (because "life's so crap") so maybe their benefits should be in the form of vouchers so they can't blow it on **** or booze...

    The NHS does a lot of good, and scrapping it would be succumbing to the bad publicity it receives. Keep it going, it's usually good for us.
    I don't blame Gordon for the cost of the NHS. All I'm saying is if we get rid of it, then government spending will be able to fall hugely and one would hope taxes would too.

    And I'm not denying the NHS does a lot of good things. But more often than not it's doing good things for people who can afford to pay.
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    (Original post by Tednol)
    A modern, developed country like the UK should scrap the NHS in its current form. It is illogical for the state to provide healthcare for all. There is no reason why I should be provided with free healthcare when I, like millions of others could pay for it myself. Health insurance costs about the same at a comprehensive Sky Digital subscription and there is not a council esate in the country without an abundence of Sky dishes.

    Why should I get free healthcare? When I define myself, I define myself as an individual and as such I expect no one to provide for me. People need to learn to take responsibility for their own lives and stop relying on an old fashioned service which designed when the world was a very different place.

    By all means provide free healthcare for those who really can not afford it. But let's make it means-tested and then Gordon Brown can stop taking as much of the money that you, I, and our parents work so hard to earn.
    Although we're far from badly off there is no health insurance (or for that matter life insurance) that will cover my husband for pre-existing conditions (and almost any illness can be attributed to those) so he is effectively uninsurable.

    The NHS isn't there just for those who can't afford to pay - it's there for the un-insurable...and it there to stop healthcare from becoming a luxury...if private healthcare had to cope with even half of the workload of the NHS the costs would spiral and premiums would rocket well out of the "Sky Subscription" price bracket.
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    (Original post by Tednol)
    A modern, developed country like the UK should scrap the NHS in its current form. It is illogical for the state to provide healthcare for all. There is no reason why I should be provided with free healthcare when I, like millions of others could pay for it myself. Health insurance costs about the same at a comprehensive Sky Digital subscription and there is not a council esate in the country without an abundence of Sky dishes.

    Why should I get free healthcare? When I define myself, I define myself as an individual and as such I expect no one to provide for me. People need to learn to take responsibility for their own lives and stop relying on an old fashioned service which designed when the world was a very different place.

    By all means provide free healthcare for those who really can not afford it. But let's make it means-tested and then Gordon Brown can stop taking as much of the money that you, I, and our parents work so hard to earn.
    And by the way it isn't free health care, we pay a fortune in tax for it! It's always depressing to see how much the government has taken out of my pay each month :mad:
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    unfortunately, the NHS gets a LOT of bad press, and hardly any good, but i think we'd miss it if it weren't there? maybe it does need reforming, or changed into a different style of working, but to scrap it altogether is madness!
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    Granted the NHS costs alot and service isn't great, but tbh thats just as much the publics fault as theirs. The number of people who go to casualty with something stupid like a splinter in the foot or paper cuts. People just don't seem to be able to look after themselves - ever heard of plasters and antiseptic wipes??
    Also, if we scrap the nhs, we'll end up like the states where they do enough to keep you alive, but if you can't afford treatment or aren't insured your kicked out after that.
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    (Original post by El_Borish)
    unfortunately, the NHS gets a LOT of bad press, and hardly any good, but i think we'd miss it if it weren't there? maybe it does need reforming, or changed into a different style of working, but to scrap it altogether is madness!
    Reform, reform and reform every one says it especially the govt, but they don't unless the foundation hospital scheme you approve of. Al lthe govt do is keep on putting more money in, but we still see no improvements
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    (Original post by El_Borish)
    unfortunately, the NHS gets a LOT of bad press, and hardly any good, but i think we'd miss it if it weren't there? maybe it does need reforming, or changed into a different style of working, but to scrap it altogether is madness!
    I agree - I work in an NHS hospital and all the patients I have seen have been very happy with their treatment. The problem lies within the waiting lists but unfortunately this can only be overcome with more money (because most of the money is given to the the pharmaceutical companies who charge extortionately for medication simply because they are allowed to). A reform is needed, but as the population does not want a raise in taxes the only solution would be to reration money to specific treatments and naturally it is going to take a long time to make the decisions...

    I personally think the NHS is great although it has its flaws. I see loads of elderly patients weekly (and I don't even work on a geriatric ward) who are just abandoned and without the NHS who knows what would happen to them!
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    (Original post by hotnanoo)
    Al lthe govt do is keep on putting more money in, but we still see no improvements
    All the money being put into the NHS is not enough - to give you a taster of how much things cost - a 999 phone call and use of ambulance costs around £300 and to stay overnight in a hospital costs over £500 plus the pharmaceutical companies strip a hell of a lot of the money by overcharging!
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    (Original post by Lucy)
    All the money being put into the NHS is not enough - to give you a taster of how much things cost - a 999 phone call and use of ambulance costs around £300 and to stay overnight in a hospital costs over £500 plus the pharmaceutical companies strip a hell of a lot of the money by overcharging!
    i never said that not eingh money is being put in just that to the public who are'nt involved can't see visible improvements. the govt. is also too fused with wiating times, although they are important i'v heard people who get plastic surgery are ahead of people waiting for weeks and months just cuz they can get out of the hospital quicker. I believe in the NHS and hope it gets better because as you said alot of people rely on it
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    (Original post by hotnanoo)
    i never said that not eingh money is being put in just that to the public who are'nt involved can't see visible improvements. the govt. is also too fused with wiating times, although they are important i'v heard people who get plastic surgery are ahead of people waiting for weeks and months just cuz they can get out of the hospital quicker. I believe in the NHS and hope it gets better because as you said alot of people rely on it
    At the end of the day it is there when you need it most....

    my friends dad had an accident last year where he fell off the roof of his house onto concrete. He had serious head injuries and was taken to the local hospital. It was then decided he needed brain surgery and so he was flown to a more specialist hosptial and underwent major surgery - he eventually recovered - in total there was something like 100-150 people involved with saving his life (in total) and loads of surgery. He was told it would have cost well over a million pounds to save him. He used to moan about paying national insurance but now is more than happy to pay it lol

    I say the NHS does a absolutely fantastic job and people who have had experiences like that above or even less serious all have that opinion too. Yes waiting lists are a problem but these are now improving year on year.
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    I agree - I believe it's the people who haven't really 'properly' used the NHS (i.e. for the more serious cases) or who are on the waiting lists are normally the ones who moan about it which is a shame because once you actually see what really goes on in the NHS you realise what an asset it is.
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    (Original post by NikNak)
    At the end of the day it is there when you need it most....

    my friends dad had an accident last year where he fell off the roof of his house onto concrete. He had serious head injuries and was taken to the local hospital. It was then decided he needed brain surgery and so he was flown to a more specialist hosptial and underwent major surgery - he eventually recovered - in total there was something like 100-150 people involved with saving his life (in total) and loads of surgery. He was told it would have cost well over a million pounds to save him. He used to moan about paying national insurance but now is more than happy to pay it lol

    I say the NHS does a absolutely fantastic job and people who have had experiences like that above or even less serious all have that opinion too. Yes waiting lists are a problem but these are now improving year on year.
    life threatening cases like that are always or hopefully treated quickly, which is what heppened when my cousin had a plane of glass fall on his arm severing tendants etc but longer cases like people who are suffering cancer or keep getting slip disks in their back is harder, i know people who have had to go for treatments abroad becasue waiting times are 12-18 months. The NHS is neccesary and helps lots of people but it still needs lots of imporvement
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    (Original post by Lucy)
    I agree - I believe it's the people who haven't really 'properly' used the NHS (i.e. for the more serious cases) or who are on the waiting lists are normally the ones who moan about it which is a shame because once you actually see what really goes on in the NHS you realise what an asset it is.
    Well i do moan because i feel you can help alot more people and improve their lives, but to say i'v never properly used the NHS is a sad comment.
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    I was simply stating that people who receive NHS treatment when they need it are content with what they get whereas others who don't receive the treatment haven't experienced it and are therefore often not as positive towards the NHS. People need to understand that although the NHS has got a lot of flaws, it is really difficult to get improved results quickly, the NHS is continually evolving to try and suit everyone's needs but we've just got to be patient.
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    (Original post by hotnanoo)
    Well i do moan because i feel you can help alot more people and improve their lives, but to say i'v never properly used the NHS is a sad comment.
    I agree
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    (Original post by Lucy)
    I was simply stating that people who receive NHS treatment when they need it are content with what they get whereas others who don't receive the treatment haven't experienced it and are therefore often not as positive towards the NHS. People need to understand that although the NHS has got a lot of flaws, it is really difficult to get improved results quickly, the NHS is continually evolving to try and suit everyone's needs but we've just got to be patient.
    You are stck between a hard place and a rock because blairs says we are getting vast amounts of improvemtns but we are'nt and the public don't want to pay more tax's.
    question, what do you think of the foundation schme, is it any good , it think it will just casue more problems and confusion
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    Firstly, Blair is a bit of a **** and I wouldn't believe anything he says. I guess things are improving slightly for doctors and their working hours though because of the european working time directive but other than that all the money from taxes gets used up very quickly just to maintain present treatments so it is very hard to begin to improve things.

    I am strongly against foundation hospitals - many people and hospitals are still uninformed about the scheme so the implementation of such a scheme would just cause confusion and I think it will mess up the NHS even more.
 
 
 
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