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Not sure if this in the right section, but talks about way boyfriends ex treats kids.

Ok, so my boyfriend split up from his wife last year, and she's just started seeing someone new. Anyway. Heres the situation.

She brought them round J's last week. about half eleven, and she hadn't even given them breakfast. She didn't bring ANY spare clothes, and the youngest has a bad case of nappy rash... Tuesday, she picked them up, got them changed, brought themback, told J she was going out and he was having the kids. He tried to protest, so she started telling him he was just jealous or whatever... trying to stop her living her life.

This effing woman is not fit to be a mother. Her eldest is so insecure its unbelieveable. J goes out, he's fine. His ex is supposed to be picking them up, and shes decided not to so many times that he will sit there saying "mummy's not coming".

I mean, the other day she didn't pick them up and sent J a message saying "picking kids up tomorrow. Womans troubles".

Womans troubles. If you can abandon your kids for that, then how can you be fit enough to be a mother.

It's hit a nerve for so many reasons with me. Her kids are amazing. Absolutely gorgeous, the most affectionate two little boys you could imagine. And she puts everthing, from her new boyfriend to going out to get drunk before the kids.

Reminds me of my biological mother a bit...

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Reply 1
The only thing I can say is imagine being in her shoes. Shes on her own with kids and she is trying to find the balance between living her life and being a mother. You may not agree with what she is doing but it isnt any of your business, its between them 2.
Reply 2
frost105
The only thing I can say is imagine being in her shoes. Shes on her own with kids and she is trying to find the balance between living her life and being a mother. You may not agree with what she is doing but it isnt any of your business, its between them 2.


I'm sorry, I disagree... :mad:

when a kid becomes so insecure because he doesn't know if his mums gonna turn up, there IS a problem.

I mean, ****ing hell. Putting her needs and wants before her kids. THATS NOT RIGHT!
Reply 3
shootingstar
I'm sorry, I disagree... :mad:

All I know is that when people split and they have kids involved NEVER get involved. There are 2 sides to every story, my best mates ex is a loser who never pays for his child yet I know if I spoke to he sister she will tell me that my bets mate is a psycho, never lets the family see the baby and that it was her fault that she got meningitis last year cause she is a bad mother.
Why would she bring spare clothes if she was plannin on picking them up the next day anyway?

and the kid is probably insecure because his parents have recently split up? whats unusual there?

Why did J protest at having the kids for another day? did he have something better to do?

And she didnt abandon the kids, she left them with their dad. He has just as much responsibility for them as her.

If thats the worst that she does, i think she not too bad a mother all in all. You say her kids are wonderful, but you dont give her the credit for that.surly, if she were a bad mother they would be little toerags!

love Katy***
Reply 5
shootingstar


when a kid becomes so insecure because he doesn't know if his mums gonna turn up, there IS a problem.


How often does your boyf have the kids? How often does he cancel on them? How many times does the child ask his mummy when he'll next see daddy?

I dont doubt that she is probably being awful but when my mum and dad where going through their divorce I was insecure as well-thats common in children.

If your boyfriend is really worried then he should try mediation with his ex wife and figure out a routine and acceptable boundries and behaviour when they have the children.

There is also a very good single parents forum at www.bounty.co.uk where other people who have been in similiar situations can give advice.
Reply 6
frost105
All I know is that when people split and they have kids involved NEVER get involved. There are 2 sides to every story, my best mates ex is a loser who never pays for his child yet I know if I spoke to he sister she will tell me that my bets mate is a psycho, never lets the family see the baby and that it was her fault that she got meningitis last year cause she is a bad mother.

this isn't a case of the kids getting ill. This is a case of me being there when she says she'll pick the kids up, and J getting a message or a phone call saying "you're having the kids one more night, I'm going out/rounds colins/having womans troubles". This is a case of one of the kids getting so insecure its tearing up J, and getting to me...
why did J and his wife split?
Reply 8
ickle_katy
Why would she bring spare clothes if she was plannin on picking them up the next day anyway?

and the kid is probably insecure because his parents have recently split up? whats unusual there?

Why did J protest at having the kids for another day? did he have something better to do?

And she didnt abandon the kids, she left them with their dad. He has just as much responsibility for them as her.

If thats the worst that she does, i think she not too bad a mother all in all. You say her kids are wonderful, but you dont give her the credit for that.surly, if she were a bad mother they would be little toerags!

love Katy***


He had made plans, he'd had them three days running, the first two weeks I was with him, he had them 12 days running...

The kid is not as insecure when it gets to J. J never cancels on having the kids, not once has he done that.
Reply 9
ickle_katy
why did J and his wife split?

she was cheating on him.
Reply 10
frost105
How often does your boyf have the kids? How often does he cancel on them? How many times does the child ask his mummy when he'll next see daddy?

I dont doubt that she is probably being awful but when my mum and dad where going through their divorce I was insecure as well-thats common in children.

If your boyfriend is really worried then he should try mediation with his ex wife and figure out a routine and acceptable boundries and behaviour when they have the children.

There is also a very good single parents forum at www.bounty.co.uk where other people who have been in similiar situations can give advice.


J has the kids about 4, sometime 5 days a week. To me, she is being awful.
shootingstar
Ok, so my boyfriend split up from his wife last year, and she's just started seeing someone new. Anyway. Heres the situation.

She brought them round J's last week. about half eleven, and she hadn't even given them breakfast. She didn't bring ANY spare clothes, and the youngest has a bad case of nappy rash... Tuesday, she picked them up, got them changed, brought themback, told J she was going out and he was having the kids. He tried to protest, so she started telling him he was just jealous or whatever... trying to stop her living her life.

This effing woman is not fit to be a mother. Her eldest is so insecure its unbelieveable. J goes out, he's fine. His ex is supposed to be picking them up, and shes decided not to so many times that he will sit there saying "mummy's not coming".

I mean, the other day she didn't pick them up and sent J a message saying "picking kids up tomorrow. Womans troubles".

Womans troubles. If you can abandon your kids for that, then how can you be fit enough to be a mother.

It's hit a nerve for so many reasons with me. Her kids are amazing. Absolutely gorgeous, the most affectionate two little boys you could imagine. And she puts everthing, from her new boyfriend to going out to get drunk before the kids.

Reminds me of my biological mother a bit...


Have you spoken to your boyfriend about all of this?? What does he think??

Ruthie xx
3 days running.........that is a long time!

They arnt a toy, He should be prepared to be there for them 365 days a year. When they were born did he think, oh no i only want part time kids? i doubt it.

Out of interest, does the kid know you think his mum is a bad mum? and how do you tell him that hes staying another night?

love Katy***
Reply 13
shootingstar
J has the kids about 4, sometime 5 days a week. To me, she is being awful.

I would tell J to attempt mediation with his ex. Arrange a strict custody arrangement which caanot be broken unless in extreme circumstances. This will enable the children to get into a rountine and ease any anxiety.
Are they in divorce proceedings if so you could ask the lawyers to arrange this.

My last piece of advice is support J but do not confront the ex. This will put her back up and make life particularly difficult for J. Despite all the press the courts will always favour the mother unless she is considered a risk. She can make seeing the kids very difficult for J and unfortunatly there isnta lot he can do about it but be nice to his ex and keep seeing the kids as much as he can.
Reply 14
ruthiepoothie
Have you spoken to your boyfriend about all of this?? What does he think??

Ruthie xx

I've spoken to him, and he doesn't know what to do. He tries his best to avoid arguments in front of the kids, but at the same time, it angers him when she won't turn up. He's tried speaking to her, with the help of both her mother and his father, and they said to her she has to turn up when she says etc.

One night she turned up 9 pm with the kids, it had been raining to try get J to have the kids... The only reason he said yes then was because he was worried about what would happen to the kids health wise if she took them back in that weather.
Reply 15
ickle_katy
3 days running.........that is a long time!

They arnt a toy, He should be prepared to be there for them 365 days a year. When they were born did he think, oh no i only want part time kids? i doubt it.

Out of interest, does the kid know you think his mum is a bad mum? and how do you tell him that hes staying another night?

love Katy***


The kid doesn't know what I think of his mum. Ok, he should be prepared to be there 365, but she's the one that seems to be treating them like a toy. "oh, I want to go out, I'll phone J/ go round J's and get him to have the kids an extra night".

How can you tell a kid that he's got to stay another night. Other than J saying "Ok, you're staying with daddy another night".
Reply 16
frost105
I would tell J to attempt mediation with his ex. Arrange a strict custody arrangement which caanot be broken unless in extreme circumstances. This will enable the children to get into a rountine and ease any anxiety.
Are they in divorce proceedings if so you could ask the lawyers to arrange this.

My last piece of advice is support J but do not confront the ex. This will put her back up and make life particularly difficult for J. Despite all the press the courts will always favour the mother unless she is considered a risk. She can make seeing the kids very difficult for J and unfortunatly there isnta lot he can do about it but be nice to his ex and keep seeing the kids as much as he can.


I've already agreed with J that unless I believe there is severe concern for the kids physical health, that I won't confront her. He knows I'm supporting him through this.

Ok, I'll suggest what you said about the mediation.
Reply 17
shootingstar
I've already agreed with J that unless I believe there is severe concern for the kids physical health, that I won't confront her. He knows I'm supporting him through this.

Ok, I'll suggest what you said about the mediation.

Do they already have a custody agreement?
shootingstar
The kid doesn't know what I think of his mum. Ok, he should be prepared to be there 365, but she's the one that seems to be treating them like a toy. "oh, I want to go out, I'll phone J/ go round J's and get him to have the kids an extra night".

How can you tell a kid that he's got to stay another night. Other than J saying "Ok, you're staying with daddy another night".


It sounds like a proper routine needs to be established for them. Although it may be hard to accept- there is nothing that you can do about it- it's between your boyfriend and his ex-wife. However, if your boyfriend wanted something sorted then perhaps they should sit down together and sort something out that they are both happy with, so the kids know which days they are going to stay with who. If this doesn't work then perhaps they will need to get a third party involve to oversee the discussions etc- as has already been said I'm sure a family law solicitor would have some valuable contacts on this front.

All you can really do is be there for your boyfriend, and his kids, and hope that it gets sorted out.

Good Luck

Ruthie xx
Reply 19
frost105
Do they already have a custody agreement?

Not yet, no. J was working shift work, which they thought would make it awkward for setting up a set routine. He's just quit that job.