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No no no no no no lol, i dont know where you get this idea from that if i graduated over here that my degree would be any superior.
My uncle is the MD of a private clinic in england, employing over 10 consultant surgeons, and i can tell you that a degree is a degree, if i manage to get my degrees in the ukraine, and pass plab tests to practice in the UK, then i am equal to that UK graduate in the eyes of the GMC
My uncle is the MD of a private clinic in england, employing over 10 consultant surgeons, and i can tell you that a degree is a degree, if i manage to get my degrees in the ukraine, and pass plab tests to practice in the UK, then i am equal to that UK graduate in the eyes of the GMC
fact of the matter is if a graduate is legaly practicing in england, they are a good enogh doctor, no matter where he.she graduated.
may i just add this, i would like a reply, if i were a graduate from LCM LONDON COLLEGE OF MEDICINE, would i be better than graduating from st petersburg school of medicine?
i think not
may i just add this, i would like a reply, if i were a graduate from LCM LONDON COLLEGE OF MEDICINE, would i be better than graduating from st petersburg school of medicine?
i think notI'm pretty sure that you need a minimum of 6 As at GCSE to even be looked at for a good Med School in the UK, let alone A-Level Results. I know a bit about it because my boyfriend is currently studying Medicine at UCL. And it's so competitive to get in. (I'm female by the way...zhivago kinda throws people!)
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fact of the matter is if a graduate is legaly practicing in england, they are a good enogh doctor, no matter where he.she graduated.
may i just add this, i would like a reply, if i were a graduate from LCM LONDON COLLEGE OF MEDICINE, would i be better than graduating from st petersburg school of medicine? i think not
may i just add this, i would like a reply, if i were a graduate from LCM LONDON COLLEGE OF MEDICINE, would i be better than graduating from st petersburg school of medicine?
i think notcourse yes.why do you think there are lots of immigrants coming from eastern europe?you can find former doctors from russia working in UK as cleaners. Why do you think all the rich people of eastern europe go to US or UK to study?
Mate, I mean really dont even try to compare these educations.You ll be much better with UK degree. I have also heard that in Eastern Europe you can buy urself a certificate for the medical course, which plays against their education.
IZZY!
course yes.why do you think there are lots of immigrants coming from eastern europe?you can find former doctors from russia working in UK as cleaners. Why do you think all the rich people of eastern europe go to US or UK to study?
Mate, I mean really dont even try to compare these educations.You ll be much better with UK degree. I have also heard that in Eastern Europe you can buy urself a certificate for the medical course, which plays against their education.
Mate, I mean really dont even try to compare these educations.You ll be much better with UK degree. I have also heard that in Eastern Europe you can buy urself a certificate for the medical course, which plays against their education.
I almost completely disagree. True, you may be able to "buy yourself a certificate" but that just shows how governments and people in eastern europe have become corrupt since the fall of communism, it doesn't say anything about the university system. I don't know which particular countries' the original poster was talking about, but it's not true that they have low entrance requirements. University in Eastern Europe is tougher than in Western Europe, they all have extremely difficult and stressful entrance examinations... the reason why you see lots of people go to Western Europe/ North America, to study is not because the university system per se is inferior, but because these countries are so developed that a degree from them is recognized everywhere; an eastern european degree is not, because the systems are different and emphasise different things and because people unjustly give Western European university systems more credibility.
For most eastern european people, the courseload is a joke because they are used to far more rigorous systems.
I can't believe people are saying this because the difficulty of the courses in university in eastern european countries way surpasses that of most western universities, except maybe the most elite ones. This in turn makes people more prepared intellectually. You said that "former doctors from russia..." The reason is because their degree is not considered equivalent to a UK degree for many reasons, actual and also perceived, but not because the content or the difficulty of the courses they have taken is inferior. In conclusion, rich people go abroad to study because they are smart and know where to find opportunities. Everyone recognizes a degree from western countries, so why not pursue a better opportunity there? It's easier in terms of difficulty of education and they're also getting an internationally recognized education, so since they have the financial possibilities, why not go for it? This leads to a recent brain drain from these countries and leaves them perpetually in a difficult state because they never seem to go ahead this way.
A similar situation could be argued for any other western country's people going to the US... Why do you think? Is the education system better? Hell no, except for the Ivys perhaps, education in the US is not in the least a challange in my opinion, but why do people prefer it? Because of the country itself, not the education system.
Please don't make negative comments about something you have never experienced and have thus no knowledge of. It makes other people/countries look unecessarily bad.
well , the education system in eastern europe has fallen incredibly and became very corrupt. it was much better when there was a soviet union.now it is much easier and believe me I know it, because my sister was educated there. She was a gynaecologist there. When she came here, she couldnt become a doctor at all. Thats why she is doing MSc research at Imperial College.
Thats the point, that their degrees are not recognized in Western Countries. Hence, there is no point getting a degree there, unless you want to be a doctor in Eastern Europe.
Also the unis in Eastern Europe are inferior to the ones in Western Europe. I dont think it is possible to find crappy medical school in US and UK, since the entry requirements are very high and only intelligent people are able to go there.
I really dont see a point in studying 6 year course in St. Petersburg instead of 5 year course in England. There is no difference in time at all, since after studying a degree in Eastern Europe, it is necessary to do some kind of MSc, PHD research, which last at least one year. This guy will spend similar time, but in the end of the day he will regret.
Why do you think the unis in Eastern Europe have low entry requirements? They only want money. Thats why they are trying to attract students from Western Europe. They are clearly underfunded and are trying to make money on foreigners.
Thats the point, that their degrees are not recognized in Western Countries. Hence, there is no point getting a degree there, unless you want to be a doctor in Eastern Europe.
Also the unis in Eastern Europe are inferior to the ones in Western Europe. I dont think it is possible to find crappy medical school in US and UK, since the entry requirements are very high and only intelligent people are able to go there.
I really dont see a point in studying 6 year course in St. Petersburg instead of 5 year course in England. There is no difference in time at all, since after studying a degree in Eastern Europe, it is necessary to do some kind of MSc, PHD research, which last at least one year. This guy will spend similar time, but in the end of the day he will regret.
Why do you think the unis in Eastern Europe have low entry requirements? They only want money. Thats why they are trying to attract students from Western Europe. They are clearly underfunded and are trying to make money on foreigners.
IZZY!
well , the education system in eastern europe has fallen incredibly and became very corrupt. it was much better when there was a soviet union.now it is much easier and believe me I know it, because my sister was educated there. She was a gynaecologist there. When she came here, she couldnt become a doctor at all. Thats why she is doing MSc research at Imperial College.
Thats the point, that their degrees are not recognized in Western Countries. Hence, there is no point getting a degree there, unless you want to be a doctor in Eastern Europe.
Also the unis in Eastern Europe are inferior to the ones in Western Europe. I dont think it is possible to find crappy medical school in US and UK, since the entry requirements are very high and only intelligent people are able to go there.
I really dont see a point in studying 6 year course in St. Petersburg instead of 5 year course in England. There is no difference in time at all, since after studying a degree in Eastern Europe, it is necessary to do some kind of MSc, PHD research, which last at least one year. This guy will spend similar time, but in the end of the day he will regret.
Why do you think the unis in Eastern Europe have low entry requirements? They only want money. Thats why they are trying to attract students from Western Europe. They are clearly underfunded and are trying to make money on foreigners.
Thats the point, that their degrees are not recognized in Western Countries. Hence, there is no point getting a degree there, unless you want to be a doctor in Eastern Europe.
Also the unis in Eastern Europe are inferior to the ones in Western Europe. I dont think it is possible to find crappy medical school in US and UK, since the entry requirements are very high and only intelligent people are able to go there.
I really dont see a point in studying 6 year course in St. Petersburg instead of 5 year course in England. There is no difference in time at all, since after studying a degree in Eastern Europe, it is necessary to do some kind of MSc, PHD research, which last at least one year. This guy will spend similar time, but in the end of the day he will regret.
Why do you think the unis in Eastern Europe have low entry requirements? They only want money. Thats why they are trying to attract students from Western Europe. They are clearly underfunded and are trying to make money on foreigners.
Why make out that eastern universities have bad teaching standards, just because the country was named PREVIOUSLY corrups, all of the USSR countries were corrupt, but lets face it, Russia may have been the biggest country left, but they are one of the countries finding it hardest to update to the 21st century standards.
The claim that you can buy a degree from a university is wrong, because corruption no longer plays a major role in these FORMER USSR countries, and because the majority want to be a part of the EU, like the country i am going to will be (1 or 2 years) means that they have to get upto the "western standards", where i am enrolled the GMC have said that the particular country is upto date with the western standards, and they have totaly re arranged the course for this year, so that it matches the EUROPEAN system.
also, before i can be awarded my graduation certificate, i have to do 1 year in a hospital in a selected speciality, although i am doing postgrad, i wil not have to do this, but alls i can say is:
WHEN I GRADUATE EVENTUALY WITH "MBBS. MS" the masters degree in cardiothoracics, i will have the same chance of getting a post in the UK if we join the EU, than any other 5 year MD/MBBS graduate.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/t89634-2.html
an interesting read.
(bottom of the page to the end)
an interesting read.
(bottom of the page to the end)I agree with Izzy. I'm not completely dissing the Eastern European way of education, but with all due respect, Western Europe has a lot more money, and thus a lot more facilities, a lot more resources etc. I'm pretty sure that we have the best Universities in the World, except for the US. We have fantastic tutors over here in, so I've heard, and most I expect have been educated in the UK.
And Semanort, I almost entirely disagree with you! First of all, I don't understand how you have had "experience" of studying in Eastern Universities, or, the American Universities, since you're studying in York University, Canada. I have no experience, merely opinions, but at least I don't feign experience.
And no offence, but you're wittering on about how Eastern Unis are so much harder to get into, and that their courses are more "surpassed" than ours. Well, first of all, if they're that hard to get into, how come they're allowing a 15 year old into their school, without his GCSEs? And he is 15, because I checked on his profile. (I also noticed, after I pointed it out, that he's changed what he's studying from "GCSEs", to "GCSEs/AS"). As well as the fact, that all the "Top Universities" lists I've looked at, rarely accomodate for Eastern European Universities - with most places going to the UK and America, and a few to Japan, and more western european countries, such as France and Germany.
And, I'm sorry, but people don't fly out to study in American Universities because they "like the country". People go on holiday to America, because they like the country. Do you really think they'd spend thousands of pounds just because they like it? They go because of Yale, Prinston, Harvard and Columbia, simple as. It's for the education.
And Semanort, I almost entirely disagree with you! First of all, I don't understand how you have had "experience" of studying in Eastern Universities, or, the American Universities, since you're studying in York University, Canada. I have no experience, merely opinions, but at least I don't feign experience.
And no offence, but you're wittering on about how Eastern Unis are so much harder to get into, and that their courses are more "surpassed" than ours. Well, first of all, if they're that hard to get into, how come they're allowing a 15 year old into their school, without his GCSEs? And he is 15, because I checked on his profile. (I also noticed, after I pointed it out, that he's changed what he's studying from "GCSEs", to "GCSEs/AS"). As well as the fact, that all the "Top Universities" lists I've looked at, rarely accomodate for Eastern European Universities - with most places going to the UK and America, and a few to Japan, and more western european countries, such as France and Germany.
And, I'm sorry, but people don't fly out to study in American Universities because they "like the country". People go on holiday to America, because they like the country. Do you really think they'd spend thousands of pounds just because they like it? They go because of Yale, Prinston, Harvard and Columbia, simple as. It's for the education.
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