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University of Greenwich

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Greenwich or London South Bank University?

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Reply 40

Cadge

obsession

I feel sorry for you.

P.S. I eat pubes and lick my granny's bumhole

Aww come on, surely you can come up with a better come back than that!?

I almost feel sorry for the fact you're NOT funny.

University of Greenwich

London

Reply 41

obsession

ZahraF

You seriously need to get a life!

Thank you, I will most certainly work on it.

Reply 42

Imson

obsession

Mickey Mouse degree from a Mickey Mouse uni.

Seriously, is there a difference where you go?

so what uni do you go to???? Oxbridge??

Reply 43

Imson

Federer Rulz

Just like Goldsmith and Kingston, dont very all those "other" London Uni.

But OP, I would choose Southbank.

do some research before you DISS a top 50 uni like Goldsmiths, they are a University of london college, a top 6 in london just below kings college and one of the best in the country for media!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/tables-regional-ranking-1675511.html

Reply 44

flugestuge

obsession

And frankly if the OP didn't care enough to do some research course content and quality-wise I doubt there's going to be any difference where they go at the end of the day.

Still, choosing Bottom 10 universities like Greenwich and London South Bank does seem rather masochistic.
Edit:
Sorry, should be bottom 4 according to the Times.
LSBU is the very last on the list, with Greenwich 3 places above it.
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/tol_gug/gooduniversityguide.php

Reply 45

C_D_forever

flugestuge

Yawn! Picking universities from private league tables and then going on to disparage people because they go to a particular institution because it doesn't fall within the top 50 is inane and in this case reserved for the half-witted and lazy thinkers.

It's a bit more complicated than some journalist cobbling together out of date statistics and (incorrectly 75% of the time) coming up with a rank order. Though as long as the place isn't going bankrupt and you like the course and the area - those are the main concerns out of the way.

This has been done to death and that league table quoted above is soon to be out of date - please learn to think for yourself people - thanks:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/27/highereducation.usa

...The plain fact is that none of the indicators used by US News measure either the academic standards that obtain at the institutions ranked, or the actual quality of the education provided. But obsession with place in the rankings tables has skewed and suborned educational priorities. Happily, it is clear that a revolt against this unwelcome trend is now gathering momentum.

League tables have had a similarly perverse effect on British higher education. An HE institution that awards more firsts and upper seconds will improve its position in these tables. But academic standards may well have declined. Conversely, a low retention rate may actually reflect high academic standards, but will inexorably damage an institution when league-table positions are being calculated (and may also attract government-imposed financial penalties)...

http://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/338/1/WRAP_Oswald_leaguetablespmm.pdf

An Economist’s View of University League Tables

May 2001

Andrew Oswald, Professor of Economics, University of Warwick

Many newspapers and magazines now publish league tables of universities. They do this because it sells extra copies of their publications. All over the world, school-teachers pin these tables up on notice-boards. Human beings are fascinated by rankings. It is presumably for Darwinian reasons: your many-times great grandfather came high up a pecking order and that is why you are still here. Even in games, like football or table tennis, people have to construct leagues.

Economists have a generic view: most of the time if you allow people to be free the world will come out well. How does that do in the case of university league tables? My view is: poorly. This is a case, like pollution from a smoky factory, where private actions cause bad ‘externalities’ on others.

The main issue, here and throughout much of what we have seen in public sector regulation in the last decade, is what might be described as the conflict between informing the consumers and disheartening the employees.

Say we take the Financial Times league table of universities. It rates 97 universities on a set of 16 criteria. These are the average A-level scores of the entering students, the ratio of applications to places, the staff-student ratio, research quality as assessed by the government Research Assessment Exercise, teaching quality as measured by the of Quality Assurance Agency, percentage of first class degrees, the employment rate of leaving students, percentage of students entering professional training, percentage of graduates going on to a higher degree, percentages of students going into research degrees and taught masters degrees, percentage of overseas students, per-capita university income from industry, research grant income per capita, computer expenditure per capita, and library expenditure per capita.

It sums the outcomes from these criteria, assigns weights without explaining how it chooses those, and publishes a league table. In its most recent table, the University of Cambridge came top and the University of Paisley came bottom.

Point 1. University league tables use a method that would not be tolerated by journalists to create a league table of newspapers. The reason is that things of marginal significance are given a large weight. If we were to rate newspapers in a league table, it might be natural to put 80% weight on the quality of the writing, and let the other 20% be determined by an assortment of things such as type of font, use of colour, the attractiveness of adverts, delivery lags, and so on. But this is not what happens with university league tables.

Research and teaching – the main functions of a university – are in combination given only about 25% of the weight in the normal league table. At best, this is strange. At worst, it is absurd.

Point 2. University league tables are currently of little use to policymakers
because they reveal nothing about efficiency...

Reply 46

Cadge

Isn't this typical of TSR. A perfectly polite, normal person asks for advice on choosing a university and it ends up becoming a debate on university standards...typical. If you happen to go to a Uni with a high reputation, good for you, but you could probably quite easily find examples of people who went to a "bottom 10" (I use that term ironically) Uni and ended up richer and happier than someone who went to a top 10 one.

Reply 47

flowermaster91

OP ignore some of these snubs and why dont you try going to open days etc., read more about the uni and so fourth at the end of the day it's YOUR choice not anybody on TSR

Reply 48

Federer Rulz

flowermaster91

OP ignore some of these snubs and why dont you try going to open days etc., read more about the uni and so fourth at the end of the day it's YOUR choice not anybody on TSR

Just curious, hows Roehampton uni like? Heard the building and place, is so awesome.

Reply 49

flowermaster91

Federer Rulz

Just curious, hows Roehampton uni like? Heard the building and place, is so awesome.

not sure, im still in A-level lool...im gnna edit my sig now it does look like as if i started there lol, but i enjoyed the open day there and it looked good and the scenary was really nice too

Reply 50

wilkinson91

for sociology both greenwich and southbank are the bottom two on the league tables

Reply 51

pgewrgiou

Greenwich is the best way :smile:

i like architecture and buildings :wink:

Reply 52

pgewrgiou

http://www.gre.ac.uk/study

http://www.oldroyalnavalcollege.org/the-greenwich-foundation/discover-greenwich,64,AT.html

Reply 53

pgewrgiou

THIS IS GREENWICH UNIVERSITY OF LONDON :smile:

Reply 54

flowermaster91

lol old thread revived

Reply 55

flugestuge

pgewrgiou

Nice buildings.
Shame about the quality of the education.

Reply 56

LJBzzz

obsession

Mickey Mouse degree from a Mickey Mouse uni.

Seriously, is there a difference where you go?

So just because someone isnt going to a top 10 uni it doesnt matter which one?

The fact is there are roughly 120 recognised universities, which are there to give people of all interests, skills and academic levels, the chance to study in higher education.

Why would you want to be so nasty and put someone down?

OP if I was you, have a look around each, decide which course you prefer and decide from your own experience and preferences. There is not enough difference between the universities or their prestige to choose through university and subject league tables.

LSBU has good graduate prospects, but from what I gather (my friend went to Greenwich open day) Greenwich is beautiful and has a friendly atmosphere.

Unfortunately lots of arrogant TSR users are not willing to discuss with people who want to go to a 'lesser' university.

:smile:

Reply 57

matheo!

i think Greenwich has better reputation than LSBU.... greenwich is beautiful, the area is amazing !! ...