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mobb_theprequel
Hughski - another tangential question - do the LSE Law society arrange a lot of things during Freshers' Week/Fortnight/whatever it is?!
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Yeah there are a few things for the lawyers. You get to meet the department and have some wine etc. and meet all the other students. Then like in the evening there was a champagne thing in Covent Garden that went on till very late. There are a few other events especially for the lawyers if I remember correctly. Other than that it's just meeting everyone, it lasts about 2 weeks with lots of things going on. A few things still go on for about a month and after that the work hits in.
There's also the Law Soc. Ball which happens much later on but is really cool. Law society is one of the best-funded of them all and obviously there are lots of events with big firms etc. which usually involve free drinks and sometimes even a free meal, (that's later on in the year though).
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Hey, I applied and got accepted to NYU. I got into CAS and recently considered International relations. Just to let you know that you have to be accepted into IR you don't just take it. You have to show a really strong interest in the subject and then they let you take it maybe the end of sophomore year. Also, I think they only accept a certain amount of people, its not open to anyone. Check that i'm correct, but when I was at the campus I picked up a leaflet and thats what it said. So basically, I don't think its guaranteed that you get to major in it.
Bismarck
That means that you have to put up with 5 years of Law courses? 
Is there enough material to teach for that long? Here law school only takes 2 years I believe (you go there once you get a bachelors).
What type of law do you prefer? Criminal, civil, divorce, business, copyright, etc.?
Is there enough material to teach for that long? Here law school only takes 2 years I believe (you go there once you get a bachelors).What type of law do you prefer? Criminal, civil, divorce, business, copyright, etc.?
Becoming a lawyer in the US:
4 years undergrad
3 years law school
Neither period entails any income - instead you pay up to 40k a year
Becoming a lawyer in the UK:
3 years undergrad
1 year LPC or BVC
2 years PAID training
Hughski
Yeah there are a few things for the lawyers. You get to meet the department and have some wine etc. and meet all the other students. Then like in the evening there was a champagne thing in Covent Garden that went on till very late. There are a few other events especially for the lawyers if I remember correctly. Other than that it's just meeting everyone, it lasts about 2 weeks with lots of things going on. A few things still go on for about a month and after that the work hits in.
There's also the Law Soc. Ball which happens much later on but is really cool. Law society is one of the best-funded of them all and obviously there are lots of events with big firms etc. which usually involve free drinks and sometimes even a free meal, (that's later on in the year though).
There's also the Law Soc. Ball which happens much later on but is really cool. Law society is one of the best-funded of them all and obviously there are lots of events with big firms etc. which usually involve free drinks and sometimes even a free meal, (that's later on in the year though).
Cool, thanks for that.
Bismarck
That means that you have to put up with 5 years of Law courses? Is there enough material to teach for that long? Here law school only takes 2 years I believe (you go there once you get a bachelors).
What type of law do you prefer? Criminal, civil, divorce, business, copyright, etc.?
Is there enough material to teach for that long? Here law school only takes 2 years I believe (you go there once you get a bachelors).What type of law do you prefer? Criminal, civil, divorce, business, copyright, etc.?
At the moment I'm leaning towards commercial or intellectual property law.
The first three years is more of an academic course, (at least at LSE), and looks at a wider range of issues to do with the law than are really required to be a lawyer. You can do the "core components" of a law degree in a one year course after you have graduated in another subject called the CPE, (basically a conversion course).
After you have done either the conversion or a law degree there is basically one year of further academic study that is required, (though it can be fairly vocational), and some large firms run their own courses tailored to their needs.
The second year that you need to do to be allowed to practice at the Bar is called a pupillage, which means following around a more senior barrister for 12 months, (though you're often allowed to do some work in your second 6 months). For this year you can earn anywhere from £10K (minimum) up to £45K p.a., which is in the form of a grant, and some of which may usually be forwarded while you're doing the "academic year" before the pupillage. Any work you do during the second 6 months of the pupillage is also paid, though it's usually a fairly small amount, but I've heard at some chambers it can be as much as 15K.
To become a solicitor the second year involves something similar and you'll be paid a wage, (about 28K at a large city firm), although much less at smaller firms. After you qualify you'll usually be given a job. The large firms usually also pay you when you're doing the academic training.
Lawz-
Becoming a lawyer in the US:
4 years undergrad
3 years law school
Neither period entails any income - instead you pay up to 40k a year
Becoming a lawyer in the UK:
3 years undergrad
1 year LPC or BVC
2 years PAID training
4 years undergrad
3 years law school
Neither period entails any income - instead you pay up to 40k a year
Becoming a lawyer in the UK:
3 years undergrad
1 year LPC or BVC
2 years PAID training
Either the American lawyers are really underqualified or British lawyers are really overqualified.
The people I know who are going to law school didn't take more than one law class in college, and most majored in English, which means they know next to nothing about law. I guess that's why law school is so stressful in the US; they have to cram all that information in half the time.Hughski
At the moment I'm leaning towards commercial or intellectual property law.
The first three years is more of an academic course, (at least at LSE), and looks at a wider range of issues to do with the law than are really required to be a lawyer. You can do the "core components" of a law degree in a one year course after you have graduated in another subject called the CPE, (basically a conversion course).
After you have done either the conversion or a law degree there is basically one year of further academic study that is required, (though it can be fairly vocational), and some large firms run their own courses tailored to their needs.
The second year that you need to do to be allowed to practice at the Bar is called a pupillage, which means following around a more senior barrister for 12 months, (though you're often allowed to do some work in your second 6 months). For this year you can earn anywhere from £10K (minimum) up to £45K p.a., which is in the form of a grant, and some of which may usually be forwarded while you're doing the "academic year" before the pupillage. Any work you do during the second 6 months of the pupillage is also paid, though it's usually a fairly small amount, but I've heard at some chambers it can be as much as 15K.
To become a solicitor the second year involves something similar and you'll be paid a wage, (about 28K at a large city firm), although much less at smaller firms. After you qualify you'll usually be given a job. The large firms usually also pay you when you're doing the academic training.
The first three years is more of an academic course, (at least at LSE), and looks at a wider range of issues to do with the law than are really required to be a lawyer. You can do the "core components" of a law degree in a one year course after you have graduated in another subject called the CPE, (basically a conversion course).
After you have done either the conversion or a law degree there is basically one year of further academic study that is required, (though it can be fairly vocational), and some large firms run their own courses tailored to their needs.
The second year that you need to do to be allowed to practice at the Bar is called a pupillage, which means following around a more senior barrister for 12 months, (though you're often allowed to do some work in your second 6 months). For this year you can earn anywhere from £10K (minimum) up to £45K p.a., which is in the form of a grant, and some of which may usually be forwarded while you're doing the "academic year" before the pupillage. Any work you do during the second 6 months of the pupillage is also paid, though it's usually a fairly small amount, but I've heard at some chambers it can be as much as 15K.
To become a solicitor the second year involves something similar and you'll be paid a wage, (about 28K at a large city firm), although much less at smaller firms. After you qualify you'll usually be given a job. The large firms usually also pay you when you're doing the academic training.
It seems that your system is geared towards allowing the lower classes to become lawyers, which is not a real possibility here.
Bismarck
Either the American lawyers are really underqualified or British lawyers are really overqualified. The people I know who are going to law school didn't take more than one law class in college, and most majored in English, which means they know next to nothing about law. I guess that's why law school is so stressful in the US; they have to cram all that information in half the time.
The people I know who are going to law school didn't take more than one law class in college, and most majored in English, which means they know next to nothing about law. I guess that's why law school is so stressful in the US; they have to cram all that information in half the time.Well to be fair to them ... the LPC is the vocation part -w hich is normally covered by the bar in the US... and is the equivilent of the bar here.
As ot the training - there are pros and cons - but there is something to be said for the notion that at the point US grads START, and the point UK trainees become fully qualified - the latter have better experience.
Bismarck
Either the American lawyers are really underqualified or British lawyers are really overqualified. The people I know who are going to law school didn't take more than one law class in college, and most majored in English, which means they know next to nothing about law. I guess that's why law school is so stressful in the US; they have to cram all that information in half the time.
It seems that your system is geared towards allowing the lower classes to become lawyers, which is not a real possibility here.
The people I know who are going to law school didn't take more than one law class in college, and most majored in English, which means they know next to nothing about law. I guess that's why law school is so stressful in the US; they have to cram all that information in half the time.It seems that your system is geared towards allowing the lower classes to become lawyers, which is not a real possibility here.
Especially for work at the Bar, at one time a pupillage would be virtually unpaid...well at one time you'd actually pay for it I think heheh.
Aside from all the lawyer-talk (I hadn't known it took so long to become a lawyer in the UK!) this discussion has been pretty helpful.
I wanted to clarify for Steph123 that I would be doing business at Stern, not international relations.
Also, my $50,000 was an overestimate leaving room for living costs in London, tuition, transportation back to the states during holidays, and an ever weakening dollar.
Overall I'm pretty sure I want to go to LSE. What bothers me is not having a goal as to where I'd want to work coming out of school (I'd probably get a master's in international relations as well.) Although thanks to everyone for providing possible scenarios and salaries for international relations and business.
Not liking math is definitely a problem for me, and yet another reason not to want to do business. I don't mind micro/macroeconomics though, graphs and stuff, just not all the calculus and stuff.
Plus I simply love London! And I think for IR it'd be helpful to gage Europe's views and positions as at the moment I think America's trying to handle a wide foreign policy with no idea of where the rest of the world is.
Brittany
I wanted to clarify for Steph123 that I would be doing business at Stern, not international relations.
Also, my $50,000 was an overestimate leaving room for living costs in London, tuition, transportation back to the states during holidays, and an ever weakening dollar.
Overall I'm pretty sure I want to go to LSE. What bothers me is not having a goal as to where I'd want to work coming out of school (I'd probably get a master's in international relations as well.) Although thanks to everyone for providing possible scenarios and salaries for international relations and business.
Not liking math is definitely a problem for me, and yet another reason not to want to do business. I don't mind micro/macroeconomics though, graphs and stuff, just not all the calculus and stuff.
Plus I simply love London!
And I think for IR it'd be helpful to gage Europe's views and positions as at the moment I think America's trying to handle a wide foreign policy with no idea of where the rest of the world is.Brittany
Brittany, my advice would be to study what you're really interested in, especially since a degree from LSE will allow you to go into business if you change your mind in the future. I'm currently studying at NYU Stern and I really enjoy finance, but many people there hate studying business and are just doing it for the high-paying job after graduation. 4 years is a long time to be miserable; if you know that you would enjoy international relations then go do it. The 30,000 difference as you calculated it won't matter much in the long run. Good luck.
thebrittzditz
Overall I'm pretty sure I want to go to LSE. What bothers me is not having a goal as to where I'd want to work coming out of school (I'd probably get a master's in international relations as well.) Although thanks to everyone for providing possible scenarios and salaries for international relations and business.
You still have 3-4 years to decide where you'd like to work. Even if you knew right now, chances are you'd change your mind in 3-4 years. I expect the faculty in LSE to know about the job aspect of this field, and I'm sure they'll be able to give you an idea of what you should do after you graduate far better than anyone here (or your parents for that matter).
Not liking math is definitely a problem for me, and yet another reason not to want to do business. I don't mind micro/macroeconomics though, graphs and stuff, just not all the calculus and stuff.
Many Masters programs in IR require you to know economics, so I would suggest that you acquaint yourself with that subject fairly well. Economics is playing a greater and greater role in relations between countries now adays.
Plus I simply love London! And I think for IR it'd be helpful to gage Europe's views and positions as at the moment I think America's trying to handle a wide foreign policy with no idea of where the rest of the world is.
And I think for IR it'd be helpful to gage Europe's views and positions as at the moment I think America's trying to handle a wide foreign policy with no idea of where the rest of the world is.Do you love London or the drinking age in London?
Lawz and Hughski, thanks for the information on law school in Britain. It's always good to know these things to avoid making oneself look like a fool if it ever comes up in a conversation.
Brittany I agree it could go up to $50K per year so the cost is definitely something to take into consideration, although I don't think it will make a huge difference in the long run. Both courses have their advantages so I think you should choose whichever course you enjoy most, (I don't think getting a good job will be difficult either way).
Bismarck, might see you around LSE sometime next year. (Same to Brittany if you decide to come in the end).
Bismarck, might see you around LSE sometime next year. (Same to Brittany if you decide to come in the end).
Bismarck
Assuming I don't get lost in London first. Or your taxi drivers are as efficient as the ones in New York City.
Haha, when you first come to London you can get lost so badly. On my first night I spent 2 hours going less than 40 metres because I'd taken a strange route to a pub that was basically opposite my Hall, (NO IDEA how I didn't see the hall when I left!), and backtracking was difficult!! At least the underground works well; it's pretty expensive for a single though.
Hughski
Haha, when you first come to London you can get lost so badly. On my first night I spent 2 hours going less than 40 metres because I'd taken a strange route to a pub that was basically opposite my Hall, (NO IDEA how I didn't see the hall when I left!), and backtracking was difficult!! At least the underground works well; it's pretty expensive for a single though.
From reading the site about the residence halls, it seems that London doesn't bother numbering its streets. Do you people have to memorize the names of all streets just so you can figure out how to get somewhere?
Sorry to the thread starter for going off-topic.
Bismarck
From reading the site about the residence halls, it seems that London doesn't bother numbering its streets. Do you people have to memorize the names of all streets just so you can figure out how to get somewhere?
Sorry to the thread starter for going off-topic.
Sorry to the thread starter for going off-topic.
Yeah there's no grid system or anything here but it gets pretty easy once you're used to it. I don't know the names of all the streets around the centre just the main ones / areas / roads and get around fine, (using pub. transport for long journeys, which is fast). Not really much of a problem after the first few days, plus there are usually people about you can ask.
Bismarck
From reading the site about the residence halls, it seems that London doesn't bother numbering its streets. Do you people have to memorize the names of all streets just so you can figure out how to get somewhere?
Sorry to the thread starter for going off-topic.
Sorry to the thread starter for going off-topic.
You don't really have to number the streets in London. Instead of having a different number for each block, as here in the US, streets often have a different name each time they cross another street! Easy to isolate where you're going, hard to figure out how things are connected. Best tip I ever heard: buy an A-Z guide the moment you arrive and carry it religiously...then you never get so lost that you can't get "unlost!"
Hughski thanx mate for such detailed info abt exams.
travelling in london is way to expensive. 2 years ago one bus single was 70p with no congestion charge in central london. then they placed congestion charge with a promise of subsidised and improved public transport. but last year one bus single went upto 1 pound and now its at 1.20pounds, increase way high above the rate of infation.
one interesting thing is every year on 31st dec, public transport in london is free all night, and then after one day i.e. on 2nd january fares go up.
talking about street names: many roads in south east are named London road becoz they end up on highways leading towards london!!!!
travelling in london is way to expensive. 2 years ago one bus single was 70p with no congestion charge in central london. then they placed congestion charge with a promise of subsidised and improved public transport. but last year one bus single went upto 1 pound and now its at 1.20pounds, increase way high above the rate of infation.
one interesting thing is every year on 31st dec, public transport in london is free all night, and then after one day i.e. on 2nd january fares go up.
talking about street names: many roads in south east are named London road becoz they end up on highways leading towards london!!!!
musafir...thats arabic right..or swahili?
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