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^ thank you very much. that was exactly what I was asking.
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Original post by soldat

Original post by soldat
^ thank you very much. that was exactly what I was asking.


Actually, as far as I can tell, there are 60 compulsory credits in MA Maths. In the course options section there is a bit where you can "chose" 20 credits but there are only 2 lots of 10 credit units for you to chose from, so they're compulsory. Therefore, you'd have to do your one arts subject in first year and second year for 40 credits over 1 year then you've got 20 spare for something else so in one semester you could do a business or IR course but you can't do it for the entire academic year as you do not have space.

https://www.star.euclid.ed.ac.uk/ipp/utmathm.htm
Original post by oxymoronic
Actually, as far as I can tell, there are 60 compulsory credits in MA Maths. In the course options section there is a bit where you can "chose" 20 credits but there are only 2 lots of 10 credit units for you to chose from, so they're compulsory. Therefore, you'd have to do your one arts subject in first year and second year for 40 credits over 1 year then you've got 20 spare for something else so in one semester you could do a business or IR course but you can't do it for the entire academic year as you do not have space.

https://www.star.euclid.ed.ac.uk/ipp/utmathm.htm


Ah fair point, think in my essay writing delirium I must have missed that. Fair enough, that means the op can either take business or a language but not both, and has to be prepared to potentially committing to studying it in year 2 as well.
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I got an email today with my lab and tutorial time tables for this semester which are 2-3pm on a Tuesday and 2-5pm on a Thursday. Only problem is my outside course runs either 2-4pm on Monday + Tuesday or 4-6pm on Wednesday + Thursday. Which kinda leaves me a bit stuck. I could go with the Monday and Tuesday and just miss the first half of the lesson on the Tuesday since it is just my outside course. But would that be okay? The course is intermediate Spanish if that makes any difference. I could try emailing the person who sorts out my lab and tutorial slots but I have no idea if I could be fitted anywhere that would work. Any help? Thanks (:
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Original post by Ronda

Original post by Ronda
I got an email today with my lab and tutorial time tables for this semester which are 2-3pm on a Tuesday and 2-5pm on a Thursday. Only problem is my outside course runs either 2-4pm on Monday + Tuesday or 4-6pm on Wednesday + Thursday. Which kinda leaves me a bit stuck. I could go with the Monday and Tuesday and just miss the first half of the lesson on the Tuesday since it is just my outside course. But would that be okay? The course is intermediate Spanish if that makes any difference. I could try emailing the person who sorts out my lab and tutorial slots but I have no idea if I could be fitted anywhere that would work. Any help? Thanks (:


You'll need to speak to the Spanish tutors and see what they say, I can't imagine they'd be jumping at the prosect of you missing sessions given how language learning works. My Spanish course was so intensive in terms of the fast paced nature so I couldn't imagine having missed bits of it even though it was only my outside.

Also email your lab people and see what they say too, there might be a solution.
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Original post by oxymoronic
You'll need to speak to the Spanish tutors and see what they say, I can't imagine they'd be jumping at the prosect of you missing sessions given how language learning works. My Spanish course was so intensive in terms of the fast paced nature so I couldn't imagine having missed bits of it even though it was only my outside.

Also email your lab people and see what they say too, there might be a solution.


Thanks (:
I've emailed the woman who sorts out the lab groups to see what she says. I hope she can move me cause I don't want to miss any of the lessons but if I can't be put in a suitable slot it might have to happen which is a bit annoying. I do remember in freshers week at our introductory course talk them saying something about it and they let it happen as long as you're okay with missing out.. I dunno. Hopefully it gets sorted out though!
I am going to be studying Geography with economics and i really wanted to pick accounting as my third subject because i am studying adv accounts right now and i really enjoy it but i was just wondering if i would be able to ? does anyone know at all ? ( sorry if this question has already been asked ) and thank you for making this immensely helpful thread.
Original post by stefany-a
I am going to be studying Geography with economics and i really wanted to pick accounting as my third subject because i am studying adv accounts right now and i really enjoy it but i was just wondering if i would be able to ? does anyone know at all ? ( sorry if this question has already been asked ) and thank you for making this immensely helpful thread.


Provided there isn't a timetable clash, yes.
Original post by nearlyheadlessian
Provided there isn't a timetable clash, yes.


would you know when / how come I will be able to find out my timetable ? (sorry for asking so many annoying questions )
Original post by stefany-a
would you know when / how come I will be able to find out my timetable ? (sorry for asking so many annoying questions )


There's a link in the OP to DRPS which lets you see which modules are obligatory as well as a link to timetab which lets you see the current schedule. At the moment there looks like there might be a clash, but schedules can change from year to year and timetab isn't always accurate. You can't really know for sure until you meet with your DoS though.
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Original post by nearlyheadlessian
Depends if you're studying MA Mathematics or Bsc. MA only has 40 credits required in first year according to drps. Bsc has a requirement of 60 in first year. In MA the expectation is that you take at least 40 credits in an arts based subject - so a language would be fine, but that your 40 credits of art in second year is a continuation. So if you took Spanish 1 you'd have to expect to take Spanish 2. Your other 40 credits are free to play with. In Bsc you can use your remaining 60 credits on what you like. So, unless timetabling clashes stepped in, you could take that course combination. That said, Maths and languages both have heavy class schedules and when you add another courses like business, there's a pretty big chance of clashes. Whether you'd be allowed to choose to switch to a language would largely depend on your ability to persuade your DOS, and whether the language (or business) had space for you. When changing colleges (which is what you'd need to do), changing degree title without restarting is quite a bit trickier. That said, if you disliked Mathematics (although if that's even a possibility then why apply for it?!) but scored a good mark in a language, they'd probably facilitate the move.


Original post by oxymoronic
Actually, as far as I can tell, there are 60 compulsory credits in MA Maths. In the course options section there is a bit where you can "chose" 20 credits but there are only 2 lots of 10 credit units for you to chose from, so they're compulsory. Therefore, you'd have to do your one arts subject in first year and second year for 40 credits over 1 year then you've got 20 spare for something else so in one semester you could do a business or IR course but you can't do it for the entire academic year as you do not have space.

https://www.star.euclid.ed.ac.uk/ipp/utmathm.htm




This is kind of along the lines of what I'd like to know.

I've been accepted for Maths (MA). Ideally, I'd like to do Maths, Physics and French in first year, and Maths, Physics and Spanish in second year. Would that be possible? Do I need to change to Maths and Physics joint BSC (and then probably pick one over the other for honours)?

I tried to use Timatab, but I got confused as to which Maths courses it's normal to take in first year :s-smilie:

Thanks
So I have applied for mathematical physics (Ma)
Assuming I'd get an offer, would it be possible for me to take outside subjects such as philosophy and social anthropology?
And if I end up enjoying it more, could I switch to this degree?
And will they look at my grades for the entry requirments fpr the outside subjects?
The thing is I am really struggling to decide between the siences and the social siences :s-smilie:
A bit unfortunate, I wish I could do both :biggrin:
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Original post by CoffeAddict

Original post by CoffeAddict
So I have applied for mathematical physics (Ma)
Assuming I'd get an offer, would it be possible for me to take outside subjects such as philosophy and social anthropology?
And if I end up enjoying it more, could I switch to this degree?
And will they look at my grades for the entry requirments fpr the outside subjects?
The thing is I am really struggling to decide between the siences and the social siences :s-smilie:
A bit unfortunate, I wish I could do both :biggrin:


http://www.drps.ed.ac.uk/10-11/ipp/utmapym.htm

In 1st year you've got 40 credits spare, so you could take either a full year course of philosophy or a full year course of social anthropology. If you took philosophy, you would meet the requirements to transfer to either single honours philosophy or joint honours philosophy and maths at the end of your 1st year. You could also transfer to 2nd year anthropology if you took the first year course. However, if you kept on with MP into 2nd year, you only have 20 credits spare once you've done all of the compulsory ones. Social anthropology in 2nd year is 60 credits and philosophy is 40, so you'd have to request to take an additional 20 credits (so 1 course) in semester two in order to carry it on for the whole year. I doubt they'd let you do that with anthropology as the 20x20 credit courses are in semester two, so it'd be 40 credits more than you're supposed to be doing. If you did the extra credits, then yes, you could apply for a transfer in second year and continue with philosophy into honours.

However, yes, you have to meet all of the grade requirements and essential subjects for any of the outside subjects you follow. If you want to study both the sciences and arts, then philosophy and maths might be your answer. Alternatively, if you had studied all of the compulsory subjects for physics and philosophy in 1st and 2nd year, you can ask them to create the degree combination for you for the later years.
Original post by oxymoronic
Alternatively, if you had studied all of the compulsory subjects for physics and philosophy in 1st and 2nd year, you can ask them to create the degree combination for you for the later years.


No longer true. ISC's (Individual Study Combinations) have been abolished. Common ISC's will be converted into permanent DPT's. If a student wants a unique combination then it'll have to go right to the top and if approved a new DPT will be formed - of course, the reality of this is that any barmy requests in future will be turned down at dos level without going any further. Which in effect means that a hotch-potch Physics/Philosophy degree is out.
I was thinking of taking french as an outside course next year then possibly combining it with my main degree. However, according to the french department's website, french 1a is for those with restricted knowledge of french, i.e. to GCSE level. I haven't studied french since prior to GCSEs as my school was pretty bad and only had spanish as an option at GCSE and A level.

Does anyone have any experience with french 1a? Where does the course begin? How difficult/how should I go about reaching at least GCSE level french in summer? I will be in italy for the majority of summer but could probably be in france for 2-3 weeks.
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Original post by lizfairy

Original post by lizfairy
I was thinking of taking french as an outside course next year then possibly combining it with my main degree. However, according to the french department's website, french 1a is for those with restricted knowledge of french, i.e. to GCSE level. I haven't studied french since prior to GCSEs as my school was pretty bad and only had spanish as an option at GCSE and A level.

Does anyone have any experience with french 1a? Where does the course begin? How difficult/how should I go about reaching at least GCSE level french in summer? I will be in italy for the majority of summer but could probably be in france for 2-3 weeks.


GCSE level is surprisingly basic. You wouldn't need to go off to France really - how many teenagers do you know going off to France for 3 weeks before their GCSE French exam?? Just get a GCSE study guide for the higher level exam and work through it and I bet you'll be surprised at how much you can remember.... the GCSE bit of the languages course isn't overly different to the KS3 bit, so there really won't be that big a jump. The jump is GCSE to AS level, which is huge.

I would assume it would start with some of the stuff covered at GCSE as I think they accept people with a B or above, but there is a massive difference between the exam boards. I got an A in GCSE French then went off to college for A level French and essentially had to start learning from scratch as I realised all of the stuff that I'd been "taught" was no where near the same level as what some of the other exam boards/schools had been teaching.
Original post by lizfairy
I was thinking of taking french as an outside course next year then possibly combining it with my main degree.


I can't see that working. To enter honours French you'll need to have taken French 1, French 2 (40 credits each) and 40 credits worth of delc 2nd year courses. That combined with History of Art puts you on 160 credits (and good luck convincing your dos to let you do 120 credits of languages + another course). Even if you get special dispensation for your Italian to count instead of the delc courses, you'd have to study French 1 & 2 alongside each other which clearly isn't feasible.
Original post by nearlyheadlessian
I can't see that working. To enter honours French you'll need to have taken French 1, French 2 (40 credits each) and 40 credits worth of delc 2nd year courses. That combined with History of Art puts you on 160 credits (and good luck convincing your dos to let you do 120 credits of languages + another course). Even if you get special dispensation for your Italian to count instead of the delc courses, you'd have to study French 1 & 2 alongside each other which clearly isn't feasible.


I'm taking a part time year next year in addition to my other years... I guess i want to prolong my degree!
Original post by lizfairy
I'm taking a part time year next year in addition to my other years... I guess i want to prolong my degree!


Is that even possible? I have to confess I've never come across it before, and a cursory glance at hss' website and dos handbook makes no mention of it. And doesn't your funding suffer if you go part time?
Original post by nearlyheadlessian
Is that even possible? I have to confess I've never come across it before, and a cursory glance at hss' website and dos handbook makes no mention of it. And doesn't your funding suffer if you go part time?


It's not normally possibile but I have discussed it with the departments involved, EUSA office, and my DOS. I will also have a job then.

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