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Original post by mikeandikes

Original post by mikeandikes
Probably a weird question (what else is new lol), but is it possible to take more courses in your own subject? Like, if it's your first year, is it possible to make one of your "outside" courses a second year course in your main subject? Or some optional course in your subject?


What would you do in second year though then? The majority of second year courses require a pass in the first year course as obviously the learning follows on so they wouldn't let you do a first and second year course at the same time if you were a first year as what would be the point? You'd have nothing to do next year then!

Some courses have optional modules, so then yes, you'd be able to take them if you wanted however other subjects quite literally have the compulsory modules in first and second year then don't have any choice until third year. If you're doing a course where there are compulsory modules then optional modules in the first two years then yes you can take them but otherwise, no, because there aren't any to do.

For example, with history in first year you have to do at least 60 history modules out of a total of 120 credits. There's around 10 history modules to chose from so I imagine if you really wanted you could do all 120 credits from the history modules offered. However, with say, Spanish, there is only a 40 credit course available to first years which is compulsory so you have no option but to take other courses (which could be other languages, for example) as there aren't any other Spanish options available to do.
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okay so i want to do a joint degree so am assuming that will take up 2 thirds of my credits for the first year.
but if i do physics for my 3rd subject, do i need to do maths modules or something? my two other subjects are completely unrelated to physics so i won't be taking maths to begin with. is it possible to do physics without maths?
Original post by oxymoronic
What would you do in second year though then? The majority of second year courses require a pass in the first year course as obviously the learning follows on so they wouldn't let you do a first and second year course at the same time if you were a first year as what would be the point? You'd have nothing to do next year then!

Some courses have optional modules, so then yes, you'd be able to take them if you wanted however other subjects quite literally have the compulsory modules in first and second year then don't have any choice until third year. If you're doing a course where there are compulsory modules then optional modules in the first two years then yes you can take them but otherwise, no, because there aren't any to do.

For example, with history in first year you have to do at least 60 history modules out of a total of 120 credits. There's around 10 history modules to chose from so I imagine if you really wanted you could do all 120 credits from the history modules offered. However, with say, Spanish, there is only a 40 credit course available to first years which is compulsory so you have no option but to take other courses (which could be other languages, for example) as there aren't any other Spanish options available to do.


Haha I just meant like taking ONE second year or optional course. But actually, now that you mention it, is it theoretically possible to kind of skip a year then by taking second year courses in your first year? Then the whole degree course could be 3 years? That also wouldn't be more demanding than taking the courses in another subject right, cuz it's the same number of courses? That's of course assuming second year courses even fit into a first year schedule!

And how many courses outside of your required/main ones can you take?

P.S You're super helpful! You're post was so detailed!
Reply 423
Original post by mikeandikes

Original post by mikeandikes
Haha I just meant like taking ONE second year or optional course. But actually, now that you mention it, is it theoretically possible to kind of skip a year then by taking second year courses in your first year? Then the whole degree course could be 3 years? That also wouldn't be more demanding than taking the courses in another subject right, cuz it's the same number of courses? That's of course assuming second year courses even fit into a first year schedule!


If your course allows direct entry into second year then you should apply for this option if you want to do it. If it does not then you will be expected to do first year, then second year like everyone else. If it were as simple as you imply to just put first and second year together into one year then everyone would do it and the university would offer it as an option. As I said before, the second year courses in the arts/humanities (where the outside modules thing primarily exists) work on the basis that you have already studied the course for a year. They expect you to have prior knowledge, reading and ideas that were built up during the first year of the degree. Therefore you can not do the courses side by side as you wouldn't have that first year knowledge to use which would put you at a distinct disadvantage. A lot of courses are designed so that you'll say study bits of all of the discipline over the first year then you'll go back to it again in second year, however, it might be at a different stage of the year so what is covered in March of Y1 might be covered again in September of Y2. You would not be able to do that Y2 section of the course without the knowledge from the Y1 section.

At the end of the day, if you only want to study your subject and that's it then don't apply to the Scottish Ancient universities. This structure is really appealing to most people but some people do just want to only study the one subject they think they'd like to do at university and get their degree as quickly as possible. That's fine, but if you are in that camp then a degree at Edinburgh probably isn't for you and I'd advise you to look at universities elsewhere in the UK or newer ones in Scotland.

And how many courses outside of your required/main ones can you take?

P.S You're super helpful! You're post was so detailed!


Read the first post in this thread.
Original post by jacksonriddle
okay so i want to do a joint degree so am assuming that will take up 2 thirds of my credits for the first year.
but if i do physics for my 3rd subject, do i need to do maths modules or something? my two other subjects are completely unrelated to physics so i won't be taking maths to begin with. is it possible to do physics without maths?


I suppose you /could/ do so, but if you're not good at maths, you'll likely struggle. There's a reason people who are on the physics degree course are required to take things like "Mathematics for Physics".
Original post by Rainfaery
I suppose you /could/ do so, but if you're not good at maths, you'll likely struggle. There's a reason people who are on the physics degree course are required to take things like "Mathematics for Physics".


i'm not actually bad at maths. i have a terrible teacher now but i actually quite like the subject and enjoy it a lot, and am currently doing HL physics and SL maths in IB. i'll have a look at the modules for physics but if it seems like i won't be able to manage without doing maths modules or not to my liking i'll probably take something else.
Reply 426
Original post by jacksonriddle

Original post by jacksonriddle
i'm not actually bad at maths. i have a terrible teacher now but i actually quite like the subject and enjoy it a lot, and am currently doing HL physics and SL maths in IB. i'll have a look at the modules for physics but if it seems like i won't be able to manage without doing maths modules or not to my liking i'll probably take something else.


From what I know of physics, you need to be very good at maths and enjoy maths.
My boyfriend did physics at Oxford and didn't have A level Further Maths in addition to his A at A level Maths as his school didn't offer it, so he self taught some of it but its different to actually receiving teaching. He really really struggled with the first year or so of his physics degree and said he felt he had to work doubly hard to account for the fact he didn't have the FM knowledge like a lot of other people. In the end it worked out fine and he got a first by a sizeable margin, but he certainly struggled due to not having the highest level of maths available pre uni even though FM isn't classed as an essential/mandatory subject for the physics degree.

How come you're not doing HL maths?
Original post by oxymoronic
From what I know of physics, you need to be very good at maths and enjoy maths.
My boyfriend did physics at Oxford and didn't have A level Further Maths in addition to his A at A level Maths as his school didn't offer it, so he self taught some of it but its different to actually receiving teaching. He really really struggled with the first year or so of his physics degree and said he felt he had to work doubly hard to account for the fact he didn't have the FM knowledge like a lot of other people. In the end it worked out fine and he got a first by a sizeable margin, but he certainly struggled due to not having the highest level of maths available pre uni even though FM isn't classed as an essential/mandatory subject for the physics degree.

How come you're not doing HL maths?


because i didn't want to drop any of my other highers for it. i love my subjects and i heard HL IB maths isn't worth the risk of dropping points and i know i'm doing better now than i would be if i had taken HL maths. (and i don't think they teach it very well at my school)
anyway yeah i wasn't thinking about doing physics as a degree anyway, because the entry requirements for all the unis would ask for HL maths, so just as the outside unrelated subject for edinburgh. I assume in the first year degree people and outside subject people would have the lectures together, so yeah i'd probably struggle. ah well, better off doing an unrelated subject then :/
Reply 428
I know that for Mathematical Physics all lab work is replaced by programming. Can I still choose lab works?
Original post by winten
I know that for Mathematical Physics all lab work is replaced by programming. Can I still choose lab works?


Unless things have changed very drastically since I was a second year, you'll still have some labs in 1st/2nd year. Mathematical physicists take Physics 1B/2B which have lab components. It's not until 3rd year that you don't take experimental physics/electronic methods/etc.
Original post by Rainfaery
Unless things have changed very drastically since I was a second year, you'll still have some labs in 1st/2nd year. Mathematical physicists take Physics 1B/2B which have lab components. It's not until 3rd year that you don't take experimental physics/electronic methods/etc.


They don't do Physics 1B any more.
Original post by sandys1000
They don't do Physics 1B any more.


But there's still P2B and that still has a lab component for everyone.
Reply 432
Has anyone done either Introductory Spanish or Introductory Italian? I'm having trouble finding courses for next semester, and was wondering if it would be too much work to do both of these courses at the same time. I can't find many reviews for these on the course reviewer.
Reply 433
Original post by toast.
Has anyone done either Introductory Spanish or Introductory Italian? I'm having trouble finding courses for next semester, and was wondering if it would be too much work to do both of these courses at the same time. I can't find many reviews for these on the course reviewer.


I did Introductory Spanish last year. The workload wasn't too heavy, just had a homework sheet every lesson, and two class tests in week 4 & 8 which went towards your final grade. The tutors were lovely too, and we just learned basic material which wasn't too hard to grasp.
Reply 434
Original post by Ronda
I did Introductory Spanish last year. The workload wasn't too heavy, just had a homework sheet every lesson, and two class tests in week 4 & 8 which went towards your final grade. The tutors were lovely too, and we just learned basic material which wasn't too hard to grasp.


Thanks :smile: I've done French to A level, so I think I will be able to cope with grammar. I wasn't sure if I could cope with two new languages at once, but the workload sounds okay.
Okay, question: I'm thinking about doing French and Italian, but because I'm thinking about a career as a singer, I'd like to do music modules (mainly performance) alongside it. Is that possible? I know you can at St. Andrews but I'm quite keen on Edinburgh too, so knowing that I can do this at either and I have the choice would really help.

Thanks :smile:
Reply 436
Hi.!!
I have applied for MA Politics.
I would like to know whether I am going to be able to take economics as an outside option and maybe to convert my degree to Economics and Politics or purely Economics.
As far as I am concerned economics is a quit oversubscribed degree, that's why I am asking.
Reply 437
I've applied to study a Bsc in maths (G100) at Edinburgh and would like to take the opportunity to learn another language while at university. However, for the G100 course 60 credits of maths must be taking during each of the first two years of study, and as I would quite like to take 40 credits of physics, this would only leave 20 credits for the taking of a language course. I would also only be eligible for the 1A/introductory courses as I haven't taken any languages past standard grade. Would this be enough (if I did it for both first and second year) to acquire fluency in a language, or am I better of trying to find language courses outwith the university?
Reply 438
Original post by Julii92

Original post by Julii92
I've applied to study a Bsc in maths (G100) at Edinburgh and would like to take the opportunity to learn another language while at university. However, for the G100 course 60 credits of maths must be taking during each of the first two years of study, and as I would quite like to take 40 credits of physics, this would only leave 20 credits for the taking of a language course. I would also only be eligible for the 1A/introductory courses as I haven't taken any languages past standard grade. Would this be enough (if I did it for both first and second year) to acquire fluency in a language, or am I better of trying to find language courses outwith the university?


You wouldn't really acquire fluency in a language by the end of second year in any language as this comes when you're immersed in the language on your year abroad, and even then, it totally depends how much time you spend with native speakers of your target language and also native speakers of your own language. If you only hung around with native English speakers on your year abroad or only interacted with other people who had your target language as a second language then you'd develop a different type of fluency than if you were constantly with native speakers.

Anyway.... I did Spanish in 1st and 2nd year and I'd say my language skills are more than adequate for any situation I've ever ended up in since. I now teach Spanish (in primary school) and when I was training to teach I taught in a school in Spain for a month and my Spanish was fine then, albeit a bit rusty. I'd say I'm at a high B2 level, probably C1 in my reading (as I read a lot of Spanish literature) which has been more than adequate for me in all of the travel/work/social contexts that I've found myself in since. The hardest part of teaching in Spain was adjusting to the accent because I was in Andalusia where its the equivalent of turning up in Glasgow when you've only really heard South East England English accents, the actual language itself wasn't a problem. However, I did the full 40 credit courses so I don't know how much of a difference it would make if you did the introductory courses for language students.
Reply 439
Thanks for your reply. I'm eager to spend 3rd year in europe so I might consider trying to do 40 credits of languages during each of my first two years and trying to cope with 140 credits a year.

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