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caroline147
You have to pay to be tested

:rofl:

It's a mere £15! Though I suppose that it all adds up with membership fees, and so the very poorest could be, to some extent, excluded. Not that I can imagine anyone wanting to be a member anyway, mind!

Actually, though, I do agree with you to some extent in that richer people are more likely to have access to better educational resources, and I am of the strong opinion that IQ (and most conceptions of intelligence in general) is made, not innate. (Or, at least, even if intelligence can be innnate, it can also be created. For example, even if the structure of one's brain when it is being created may be mapped out innately, there is strong evidence of being able to change that structure at virtually any time in life by means of experience.)
jismith1989
:rofl:

It's a mere £15!

Actually, though, I do agree with you to some extent in that richer people are more likely to have access to better educational resources, and I am of the strong opinion that IQ (and most conceptions of intelligence in general) are made, not innate. (Or, at least, even if intelligence can be innnate, it can also be created.)


I'm not saying it's extortionate (though I don't have £15 lying around, to be honest) but if you're willing to spend anything on what's essentially self-congratulation then you either have too much money or too much pride.

If you get involved with the activities and such, then fair enough, but merely being a member of MENSA is more of a negative than a positive in my eyes.
caroline147
I'm not saying it's extortionate (though I don't have £15 lying around, to be honest) but if you're willing to spend anything on what's essentially self-congratulation then you either have too much money or too much pride.

If you get involved with the activities and such, then fair enough, but merely being a member of MENSA is more of a negative than a positive in my eyes.

Well, I don't want to join myself, but if it gives a few folks a social avenue that they wouldn't otherwise have, I can't see it as being an inherently bad thing.
Chewwy
as long as you give the secret mensa handshake at your interview, you're in.

:shh: You're not meant to tell people that. :ninja:
Bleh, IQ is a fairly meaningless statistic anyway. Assuming you did no practice tests, all it really tells you is how good you are at IQ tests, which is vaguely correlated with ability in various specific varieties of analytical and conceptual tasks. I doubt Cambridge would really care what your IQ is, frankly, so putting it on your personal statement would either have no effect or count against you.
Reply 25
i probably wudnt mention it
Reply 26
It always puzzles me the hostility Mensa attracts. Is it the perceived elitism? What of any of the other high-IQ societies that exist? There are some that are even more selective in their entry requirements - for instance, Intertel is open to the top 1%, the Triple Nine Society is open to the top 0.1%, and the Prometheus society is only open to the top 0.003%. There's even the Mega Society which asks for the top 0.0001%.

Admittedly, yes, it is difficult to believe that intelligence can be measured on tests, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that there's no such thing as general intelligence.
Zhen Lin
It always puzzles me the hostility Mensa attracts. Is it the perceived elitism?

Yes, and of course the secret jealousy of some who would be ineligible to join.

Zhen Lin
What of any of the other high-IQ societies that exist?

They are nowhere near as well-known.
Reply 28
Cambridge w/ help of A grades (or UMS), + PS +reference + TSA + interview judge your IQ as well as academic inclination towards the applied subject anyway. So I think they do care for highly intelligent, highly motivated people alongwith the passion for the subject - but Mensa on it own probably does not mean anything.
Zhen Lin
It always puzzles me the hostility Mensa attracts. Is it the perceived elitism? What of any of the other high-IQ societies that exist? There are some that are even more selective in their entry requirements - for instance, Intertel is open to the top 1%, the Triple Nine Society is open to the top 0.1%, and the Prometheus society is only open to the top 0.003%. There's even the Mega Society which asks for the top 0.0001%.

Admittedly, yes, it is difficult to believe that intelligence can be measured on tests, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that there's no such thing as general intelligence.


You would have thought people in the top millionth of the population could come up with a more interesting name than mega. Well I guess its descriptive, but couldn't they have used the Sanskrit or something?
MENSA is a joke amongst the academic community. Probs best not to mention you got taken in by it - it suggests a certain gullibility.
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Turdburger
You would have thought people in the top millionth of the population could come up with a more interesting name than mega. Well I guess its descriptive, but couldn't they have used the Sanskrit or something?


Hmmm. The Maha Society sounds more elitist, somehow. :p:
Reply 32
IQ is a load of rubbish so I'd hope it'd make no difference.
i mentioned that im in mensa.

but i did it the proper way.

as opposed to just saying "o, im in mensa btw".

in the interview, she asked "do you like doing puzzles?" (weird question I know). and i said "of course, one of my mensa SIGs centers on puzzles and problems solving".

obviously being in mensa is better than not being in mensa. but you ahve to bear in mind that mensa is in theory everyone in the top 2% of the country. but the proportion of the country that could get into cambridge or whatever is less than 2%. so you could in theory argue that most cambrdige offer holds are good enough for mensa anyway.
Turdburger
You would have thought people in the top millionth of the population could come up with a more interesting name than mega. Well I guess its descriptive, but couldn't they have used the Sanskrit or something?


It's a society for, not by. :p:
Ramadulla
It's a society for, not by. :p:


I guess, but who would set up a club they aren't going to be a member of???
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caroline147
I'm not saying it's extortionate (though I don't have £15 lying around, to be honest) but if you're willing to spend anything on what's essentially self-congratulation then you either have too much money or too much pride.

If you get involved with the activities and such, then fair enough, but merely being a member of MENSA is more of a negative than a positive in my eyes.


Agreeing about pointlessness of Mensa, disagreeing about cost thing. I doubt most of the people who get their IQ tested do so for the simple sake of finding out their IQ. I had several IQ tests, for instance, to allow me to get and then retain a scholarship to a private school - an expense my parents hadn't planned for and couldn't otherwise afford. Other people may be IQ tested for jobs or medical reasons, but I really doubt many people decide to pay to be IQ tested so they can rub the results in people's faces.

I may be wrong, but I hope I'm not!!
Turdburger
I guess, but who would set up a club they aren't going to be a member of???


Someone with an inferiority complex, maybe?
so you could in theory argue that most cambrdige offer holds are good enough for mensa anyway.


Haha, yes, most of them anyways. :rolleyes: I would hope that Cambridge don't care about IQ- mine is somewhere between 100 and 137 which is frankly rubbish compared to people in Mensa.
timelordess
Haha, yes, most of them anyways. :rolleyes: I would hope that Cambridge don't care about IQ- mine is somewhere between 100 and 137 which is frankly rubbish compared to people in Mensa.



Not really. Most people of above-average intelligence could get into MENSA if they wanted to, it's not exactly elite. The key to getting a decent score on the IQ test is largely to do with practice and familiarity with the questions, not actually being particularly smart.

IQ is inherently flawed that way.

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