There may be other reasons those who opt for an open offer have a lower success rate- that is, IF they do, which I've personally never heard but then again I've only seen figures for my own uni.
I've heard in general the lower success rate for open offers is attributed to the high % of international students who are encuraged to make them (because they can't visit to differentiate between colleges as well) & the international student success rate is lower anyway (& reasons for this probably include unrealistic/unduly optimistic applications due to the prestige, differences in educational systems, perhaps problems with telephone/general interviews etc)..
but anyway, loving the:
If you're applying to Oxbridge, you obviously have a brain- use it.
why try & play a numbers game & spend your time if succesful thinking 'what if i'd applied to X?' have some faith in your ability & if you're good enough, you'll get in somewhere!
Cool sorry i just meant dodgy info but yes we were told this. It was a tutor from Oxford who said that the rates were sligtly lower so maybe it isnt the case with cambridge. Somerville is a nice college. what are you reading?
Cool sorry i just meant dodgy info but yes we were told this. It was a tutor from Oxford who said that the rates were sligtly lower so maybe it isnt the case with cambridge. Somerville is a nice college. what are you reading?
Thank you, I agree. I'm studying for an English degree.
I've heard in general the lower success rate for open offers is attributed to the high % of international students who make them (because they can't visit to differentiate between colleges as well) & the international student success rate is lower anyway.
but anyway, loving the
why try & play a numbers game & spend your time if succesful thinking 'what if i'd applied to X?' have some faith in your ability & if you're good enough, you'll get in somewhere!
Thanks, profound advice and probably very true as i have heard it from a few people. However if i dont get in i think the thinking "what if i had applied to a less competitive college and got in" would be worse for me. But thats just my opinion.
You get allocated to colleges which have a slightly lower applicationlaces ratio that year. I'd say it has a higher chance of increasing your chances than just going for some hearsay from the internet.
If you're applying to Oxbridge, you obviously have a brain- use it. There may be other reasons those who opt for an open offer have a lower success rate- that is, IF they do, which I've personally never heard but then again I've only seen figures for my own uni.
Apparently you have lower chances if you do an Open application because you're not "devoted", as it were, to the college you end up in. My form tutor, Cambridge graduate, said one time apparently this girl got into Newnham solely (so the teacher claimed) cus she was so passionate about the college.
While I very much doubt it was based "solely" on that, it probably does affect stuff.
Besides, why would you wanna go open? - not knowing which college you're gonna end up in and having to stay there for the next 3 years if you get in and accept the offer? What if you hate the place? I wouldn't - I'd rather choose.
However if i dont get in i think the thinking "what if i had applied to a less competitive college and got in" would be worse for me. But thats just my opinion.
if you felt like that then you reapply - with an uber strengthened application & playing every chance-increasing game you can.. Ox/bridge, ratios, tutor-swotting up on etc. etc.
Irisng - are Cam applications not blind to college choice? Oxford certainly are (have heard rumours about recognition of the AO handwriting, but, meh.. ).. it's hardly fair to discriminate against a candidate because they didn't specifically single out that college to apply to.. & people who are too "yay! go my college.." before even having an offer scare me..
Cool thanks. I was considering that, as in taking a gap year if i dont get in this year. Could you elaborate on those last points.... Tutor swotting etc.
Apparently you have lower chances if you do an Open application because you're not "devoted", as it were, to the college you end up in. My form tutor, Cambridge graduate, said one time apparently this girl got into Newnham solely (so the teacher claimed) cus she was so passionate about the college.
While I very much doubt it was based "solely" on that, it probably does affect stuff.
Besides, why would you wanna go open? - not knowing which college you're gonna end up in and having to stay there for the next 3 years if you get in and accept the offer? What if you hate the place? I wouldn't - I'd rather choose.
Yeah right. If the girl applied for Maths yet couldn't add anything more than 2 + 5, I don't think Newnham would accept her even if she was chairwoman of the Newnham fan club.
if you felt like that then you reapply - with an uber strengthened application & playing every chance-increasing game you can.. Ox/bridge, ratios, tutor-swotting up on etc. etc.
Irisng - are Cam applications not blind to college choice? Oxford certainly are (have heard rumours about recognition of the AO handwriting, but, meh.. ).. it's hardly fair to discriminate against a candidate because they didn't specifically single out that college to apply to.. & people who are too "yay! go my college.." before even having an offer scare me..
I don't have a clue as to if Cambridge are blind to college choices - it's just what I heard.
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Yeah right. If the girl applied for Maths yet couldn't add anything more than 2 + 5, I don't think Newnham would accept her even if she was chairwoman of the Newnham fan club.
Yeh, hence why I said I didn't think college choice was the SOLE reason they picked the girl. But maybe they picked her ultimately cus that was the one difference between her and other candidates they thought suitable for Cambridge.
Look, it's just something I heard from my teacher! - although she's got the "typical" Cambridge feel about her sometimes - she's lovely and all, but she can talk as though she's higher than you, like smarter, knows more, which I don't like. I mean, she and my head of sixth form (who came from the oh so brilliant APU - sorry in advance to any APU students) managed to put off some 4 girls from applying to Cambridge simply cus they got a B predicted. It's stupid. One of the girls really wanted to apply as well but they'd put her off and I can tell she was upset about it but got persuaded she'd never get in. I'm the only one they hadn't managed to put off with a B prediction, and I don't think they were happy about that tbh - I got rejected in the end but I don't regret applying at all.
And yeh F. Poste I agree, if you can't do a simple sum and you're in for Maths yeh you're bound to get rejected. The scenario I was thinking of was more: you've already been picked out as the best amongst the applicants, and college choice becomes the one difference between you and someone else.
Anyway, this post has drifted!!! Any more opinions on lower applicant to place ratio colleges???
You know, there's only so much to say. Check it out for yourself - why don't you email admissions? - Email the few colleges you're actually interested in, then look at the stats they give you! - compare, then pick the lowest one, if you insist on choosing based on stats. You do realise that'd be far far far more accurate than anything anyone here gives you?
Look, it'd be Newnham, New Hall, probably Homerton (don't even know if they do Law but I'd have thought so). The more popular colleges would be, Kings, Jesus, Emma, St Johns, I think Clare, Fitzwilliam. I'm not sure about the rest and tbh don't remember anyway. Just pick a college you like - it's worth more if you find out about the colleges you actually like.
You know, there's only so much to say. Check it out for yourself - why don't you email admissions? - Email the few colleges you're actually interested in, then look at the stats they give you! - compare, then pick the lowest one, if you insist on choosing based on stats. You do realise that'd be far far far more accurate than anything anyone here gives you?
Look, it'd be Newnham, New Hall, probably Homerton (don't even know if they do Law but I'd have thought so). The more popular colleges would be, Kings, Jesus, Emma, St Johns, I think Clare, Fitzwilliam. I'm not sure about the rest and tbh don't remember anyway. Just pick a college you like - it's worth more if you find out about the colleges you actually like.
Very good advice. *seconds it* Josh, I really don't think you should be getting overly concerned about the apps. to place ratio in different colleges - even if you apply to a so-called 'unpopular' college, they might still -for whatever reason- decide not to make you an offer. Then you'd be left wondering 'what if...' etc. Seriously, act on irisng's advice above, and if you haven't already, visit Cambridge and check out the colleges carefully.
Can your choice of college effect your chances of getting in?....
NO! (not significantly anyway)
Hehe I like your gigantic "No"
All in all, if you're good enough for Cambridge - why should you worry about competitiveness of colleges? And if you don't think you're good enough, why are you applying?
And White_redrose, thanx and nice you're in for Pembroke! - hehe i hear Pembroke people are called Pemguins so cute!
Cool thanks. I was considering that, as in taking a gap year if i dont get in this year. Could you elaborate on those last points.... Tutor swotting etc.
You have the completely wrong attitude - you should only really consider reapplication if your specific feedback implied that you were close to getting an offer or were pooled or something similar, not expect it as a necessary recourse. If you're playing the stats remember that no matter which college you apply to, the odds are that you will be rejected. Don't get your hopes up and don't obsess over insignificances. The applications system is made up of individuals, not figures - you may be up against only three other applicants for two places but they could be some of the strongest in the application group or you could be up against a lot of "deadweight". Don't obsess over Oxbridge, it'll only crush you if you get rejected or disappoint you if you get in.
You have the completely wrong attitude - you should only really consider reapplication if your specific feedback implied that you were close to getting an offer or were pooled or something similar, not expect it as a necessary recourse. If you're playing the stats remember that no matter which college you apply to, the odds are that you will be rejected. Don't get your hopes up and don't obsess over insignificances. The applications system is made up of individuals, not figures - you may be up against only three other applicants for two places but they could be some of the strongest in the application group or you could be up against a lot of "deadweight". Don't obsess over Oxbridge, it'll only crush you if you get rejected or disappoint you if you get in.
I second that
And for the last time, yeh, listen to this advice everyone's giving you - STOP OBESESSING ABOUT CAMBRIDGE!!!!!!! It's for your own good cus I've been there before. And also - is it the course you wanna do or the place? - does it really matter if it's not Cambridge but you get to do a course you love? Wherever you graduate from, nobody's gonna care - what they'll care is whether you got a first or a third.
Usually the pretty, prestigious ones have the highest apps/place. That's Kings, Trinity, St. Johns, Clare, Emma, and to some extent Pembroke and Christs. Girton, Fitzwilliam and most of the newer colleges are usually lower.