Little bit of french grammar help...

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Its not a big problem, but does anyone know the difference between when to use 'jusqu'a' and 'jusqu'a ce que.' Now I know they both mean until, and that the second is followed by the subjunctive, but other than that what is the difference? When do you use the second one and not the first, and vice versa. ANy help is appreciated here !

Reply 1

T3mp3sT

1) You want to use jusqu'à ce que to introduce un groupe verbal
2) You want to use jusqu'à pour introduire un groupe nominal.

For example :
1) Je dors jusqu'à la sonnerie du reveil
2) Je dors jusqu'à ce que le reveil sonne

NB : I'm asking myself a question. What is the rule which make us use in french jusqu'au. I actually can't find the reason. For example, we say "jusqu'au matin", "jusqu'au soir", jusqu'au diner". I thought it would be linked to the absence of an "articles" (le/la/les/un/des...), but it doesn't explain it, as we say "jusqu'à demain".

Anyway if you have the answer, I would like you to share it :biggrin:

Reply 2

starcarton

OP

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T3mp3sT

1) You want to use jusqu'à ce que to introduce un groupe verbal
2) You want to use jusqu'à pour introduire un groupe nominal.

For example :
1) Je dors jusqu'à la sonnerie du reveil
2) Je dors jusqu'à ce que le reveil sonne

NB : I'm asking myself a question. What is the rule which make us use in french jusqu'au. I actually can't find the reason. For example, we say "jusqu'au matin", "jusqu'au soir", jusqu'au diner". I thought it would be linked to the absence of an "articles" (le/la/les/un/des...), but it doesn't explain it, as we say "jusqu'à demain".

Anyway if you have the answer, I would like you to share it :biggrin:

So does that mean I use jusqu'à ce que when a verb follows?

And sorry I don't have an answer to your question :o:

Reply 3

oliv3r

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I'm ignoring accents here, but:

Jusqu'a + noun means "until [something]".

Jusqu'au = jusqu'a le, so jusqu'au matin means "until the morning", so you would use this when the noun that follows is masculine.

Jusqu'a ce que means "until [clause with a verb]". For example, you could say "Je fais de la lecture jusqu'a ce que je suis fatigue.

Reply 4

Daniel Salehd

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that is wrong though! jusqu'a ce que goes straight into the subjunctive.

Tbh if this is GCSE really don't try and use this phrase, it is extremely hard (imo) for you to be able to use effectively without making 'stupid' errors.

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