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The Proper route to the Actuary world

I live in scotland:

Have my Standard Grades exams this month ( hopefully 1's and 2's :smile: )

Then in June my Highers start - Try to get excellent grades

Then since Im thinking of going to a Top 5 UK Uni - Warwick

I have to do Advanced Highers -again get excellent grades

Then Im permitted to got to Warwick Uni

DO the degree for about 4 years

Have to get actuary work experience for 3 years after I graduated

Then Im allowed to join th Faculty Of Actuaries

And therfore work for a bigger company and have job opputunites in places like Dubai :biggrin:

Good route no?.........

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Reply 1
Yes, if you get in. Warwick's actuarial science isn't the easiest thing to get into, nor does getting in mean you'll manage to get an actuarial position.

More importantly, you may hate it when you try. It's nice to have a plan, but be flexible, you may find you love science or anything else before you go to uni, or while you're there.
Reply 2
sounds like uv got it all planned out, so why r u saking for confirmation?
i was thinking of the same career myself, but maybe doing a math degree would be way more interesting and broaden ur range more
its pretty early to decide on a life career b4 even starting uni, and actuarial science is a narrow field without much flexibility(maybe im wrong)
plus, from what i heard from other ppl, its considered a really boring , tedious job,
any other views on this, isnt actuary similar to statistician or other techinical financial jobs?
Reply 3
It would be ideal if you first acquire a good general idea of the details of acturial work and study before committing yourself to this field. Try to browse through those actuarial textbooks... if they don't put you off.

Becoming a professional actuary requires a great deal of self-discipline, perseverance, excellent overall academic ability and very very high ability in maths (because the numerous exams you will have to take are notoriously difficult to even pass). After getting a degree in actuarial science, it doesn't automatically mean you are officially an actuary because you still have to continue taking exams whilst working as a trainee to achieve this title. A statistician doesn't even match up in that respect.
Reply 4
rh786
I live in scotland:

Have my Standard Grades exams this month ( hopefully 1's and 2's :smile: )

Then in June my Highers start - Try to get excellent grades

Then since Im thinking of going to a Top 5 UK Uni - Warwick

I have to do Advanced Highers -again get excellent grades

Then Im permitted to got to Warwick Uni

DO the degree for about 4 years

Have to get actuary work experience for 3 years after I graduated

Then Im allowed to join th Faculty Of Actuaries

And therfore work for a bigger company and have job opputunites in places like Dubai :biggrin:

Good route no?.........


Permitted to got to Warwick? Well, I'd imagine they'd want to interview you so whatever you do, you aren't guaranteed a place there

Do what degree? You planning an actuarial science one? My personal view is that these don't offer you as much as a maths degree - they are less broad and graduates of these degrees have a relatively poor track record in the exams. No need to do four years at university - you may as well start looking for internships / work experience after two, and see how you get on.

You join the Institute or Faculty immediately on starting work, as a member, then become a Fellow on qualification.

Who says you wouldn't be working for a big company in the first place? You probably don't even have an idea of the sort of work you'd do in the UK or Dubai, so this is planning a bit too far ahead. If you want things to think about, what actuarial field do you want to work in - General / Life / Pensions / Investment? Do you want to work for a consultancy or an insurance company? Where in the UK do you want to work, London, outskirts or elsewhere in the UK? These are more important questions than thinking about Dubai.
Reply 5
Drogue
Yes, if you get in. Warwick's actuarial science isn't the easiest thing to get into, nor does getting in mean you'll manage to get an actuarial position.

More importantly, you may hate it when you try. It's nice to have a plan, but be flexible, you may find you love science or anything else before you go to uni, or while you're there.


True. As said before, I don't think actuarial science is worth going for - wasn't even aware Warwick had such a degree.

Also, if you hate your actuarial science degree, then you're a bit stuffed aren't you?
Reply 6
perkyDani
sounds like uv got it all planned out, so why r u saking for confirmation?
i was thinking of the same career myself, but maybe doing a math degree would be way more interesting and broaden ur range more
its pretty early to decide on a life career b4 even starting uni, and actuarial science is a narrow field without much flexibility(maybe im wrong)
plus, from what i heard from other ppl, its considered a really boring , tedious job,
any other views on this, isnt actuary similar to statistician or other techinical financial jobs?


Last para sums it up really - I'd think if you can class any financial job as boring, then you could probably say the same about any other financial job. I feel its those who don't even work in a particular profession or those who haven't got to grips with it who decide to call it boring. How exciting is working in an investment bank going to be, doing 14 hour days constantly trying to analyse pretty much the same stuff? Consultancy work is generally more varied than company work, and non-life is generally more varied than life and pensions work.

Whether its boring or not is up to the individual.
Reply 7
vivado
It would be ideal if you first acquire a good general idea of the details of acturial work and study before committing yourself to this field. Try to browse through those actuarial textbooks... if they don't put you off.

Becoming a professional actuary requires a great deal of self-discipline, perseverance, excellent overall academic ability and very very high ability in maths (because the numerous exams you will have to take are notoriously difficult to even pass). After getting a degree in actuarial science, it doesn't automatically mean you are officially an actuary because you still have to continue taking exams whilst working as a trainee to achieve this title. A statistician doesn't even match up in that respect.


Very, very high ability in maths is certainly useful, but a high level of common sense and good grasp of business issues, not just numbers, is essential. The later exams aren't really mathematical at all.

Self-discipline is certainly true, now that there are 16 modules to pass for qualification.

Forget the actuarial textbooks *******s, hardly anyone reads those - just have a look at the exam papers on the Institute website, get a feel of the standard expected. Pass marks vary from 30% to 70%, pass rates about the same. More info gained from looking at people's profiles in various places.

To be honest, you are probably not in a good position to decide if an actuarial job is any good for you until you've finished A-levels as you probably won't understand as much as you should.
Reply 8
This is Warwick:

The University of Warwick
Maths-Operational Research-Statistics-Economics - (Actuarial and Financial Mathematics)
4 year full-time Degree

Quite varied no?
Reply 9
Which is the best overall maths degree you can get?:

Maths and Statistics

Mathematical Economics

Financial Maths

Or just Maths on its own?

Im guessing its Maths with Statistics no?

BTW tanx 4 all ur help on these degrees :smile:
I work in an actuarial consultancy. None of the graduates I know have degrees in actuarial science. If you do MORSE at Warwick (they LOVE Warwick graduates) you get quite a few exemptions from the actuarial exams. Other friends of mine have got degrees such as engineering from Warwick, maths and economics from Bristol, physics from Oxford, and even psychology from Nottingham.

Don't do an actuarial science degree, do a course you'll find interesting, which is maths related.
Actually, I do know of someone with a degree in actuarial science. He couldn't get a job as a trainee actuary, so he's a trainee pensions administrator. Like me and two other people who don't have degrees at all. Don't apply for this course.
Reply 12
susiemakemeblue
Actually, I do know of someone with a degree in actuarial science. He couldn't get a job as a trainee actuary, so he's a trainee pensions administrator. Like me and two other people who don't have degrees at all. Don't apply for this course.


what is it like working in an actuary consultancy, is the job varied and interesting, or do beginners get stuck with really tedious tasks? actuaries have really good prospects to work abroad dont they?


also, does anyone know if high level interesting math/stat skills are actually required for actuaries or is a math background just useful but not majorly important?
Reply 13
perkyDani
what is it like working in an actuary consultancy, is the job varied and interesting, or do beginners get stuck with really tedious tasks? actuaries have really good prospects to work abroad dont they?


also, does anyone know if high level interesting math/stat skills are actually required for actuaries or is a math background just useful but not majorly important?


generally consultancies offer higher hours and more pay than insurance companies

as you tend to have a handful of clients, the work is in theory more varied, but it could be quite similar - in an insurance company, you may have opportunies to work on different projects, such as reserving, pricing, regulatory requirements, etc, while in a consultancy you would tend to specialise in one of these, but across different clients

graduates' experiences will differ - they will obviously be given the more menial work by the experienced staff, but the staff will also be aware of their responsibility to train you up so that they can themselves concentrate on higher level stuff like meeting clients, doing proposals, etc - your work is also likely to be rather more varied as a graduate

it is relatively easy to move between consultancies and insurance companies, but not so easy to move between life, pensions, and non-life work, so the latter would be the bigger decision

I can say that MORSE is a well respected degree
hello, i am zaid, just new to the TSR. i am certainly intrested in actuarial sciences. i just wanted to know difference between the BSC,MSC and complete course of actuarial scienecs. i want to the point answer, because i am searching for these things since 1 month but couldnt get the right answer. also tell me if you know about the best universities in UK, US and canada for actuarial sciences which offer the complete course?

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Reply 15
Hi,

I've been following this thread with interest, since I'm thinking of doing an actuarial career as well.

I'm thinking of the Imperial MsC of Mathematics. It's listed in the actuary website as granting exemptions from certain exams.

Is there anyone who could kindly advise which of the professional exams the Msc grants exemptions from? (assuming of course one gets the required grades during study) :-)

Cheers
Reply 16
kiann
Hi,

I've been following this thread with interest, since I'm thinking of doing an actuarial career as well.

I'm thinking of the Imperial MsC of Mathematics. It's listed in the actuary website as granting exemptions from certain exams.

Is there anyone who could kindly advise which of the professional exams the Msc grants exemptions from? (assuming of course one gets the required grades during study) :-)

Cheers


I don't personally know, but if I were you, I'd email the Institute and ask them. They take the degree syllabus and your marks, then make a decision, though you have to specify which subjects you want to be exempted from. I would guess you would get exemptions from two, or possibly three subjects from the CT series. At the end of the day, doing statistics will generally grant you an exemption from one of the exams, and economics will gain you an exemption from another. Financial modelling may gain you an exemption from one, but it would probably be tricky.

Don't base your degree course on what exemptions you may get - at the end of the day, they are generally for the easier exams, and will probably only save you one session of studying at most. And then, you'll have to be more careful in the later exams that you actually are comfortable with what you've been exempted from.

In short, there are many pros and cons to getting exemptions.
susiemakemeblue
I work in an actuarial consultancy. None of the graduates I know have degrees in actuarial science. If you do MORSE at Warwick (they LOVE Warwick graduates) you get quite a few exemptions from the actuarial exams. Other friends of mine have got degrees such as engineering from Warwick, maths and economics from Bristol, physics from Oxford, and even psychology from Nottingham.

Don't do an actuarial science degree, do a course you'll find interesting, which is maths related.


Where abouts do you work? I've just graduated from Warwick - I did MORSE. I'm really struggling at the moment to work out what I want to do. I'm swaying very much towards actuarial work but I don't know whether that's just because it's expected of you if you do MORSE. To be honest, I don't how similar to my course the work will be in practice. I'm assuming it's quite similar but I'm not sure that's a good thing! The course was challenging. I did the BSc and am interested in doing a masters now. Would I be looked down upon if I did this or would it work in my favour? Thanks so much for any advice anyone can offer!!
Reply 18
LittleMinx
Where abouts do you work? I've just graduated from Warwick - I did MORSE. I'm really struggling at the moment to work out what I want to do. I'm swaying very much towards actuarial work but I don't know whether that's just because it's expected of you if you do MORSE. To be honest, I don't how similar to my course the work will be in practice. I'm assuming it's quite similar but I'm not sure that's a good thing! The course was challenging. I did the BSc and am interested in doing a masters now. Would I be looked down upon if I did this or would it work in my favour? Thanks so much for any advice anyone can offer!!


Depends what your preferences were in the degree...which modules did you enjoy the most, did you earn any exemptions from the actuarial exams?

You could do anything even if you don't fancy actuarial work, you could go into accountancy, statistics, operational research, anything like that is good at postgraduate level.
Reply 19
why dont u go in investment banking.more money and not that boring as people think.well not all ppl find it.are going to do 3 year work experience with no salary? cant u just get internships whilst studying at uni?i think it would be even better to learn some languages.