Problems with the Design Argument? Watch

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Ok so the Design Argument is as follows:

''If you were to see a watch in the middle of a field, you would know that the watch had a designer as the watch is complex, the cogs go round which moves the arms. The same applies to the Earth and the Universe, The universe is complex and orderly so therefore the Universe must have a designer who is powerful. This designer is God''

Now, what are the problems with this argument? I need to know for my Religious Studies exam next week, cheers.
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The problem is God doesn't exist.

ho ho ho
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The problem is God doesn't exist.

ho ho ho
yes im aware of that but one of the questions may want me to explain to what extent the design argument is convincing, so i need to find weaknesses.
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(Original post by CinderellaDontGo)
Ok so the Design Argument is as follows:

''If you were to see a watch in the middle of a field, you would know that the watch had a designer as the watch is complex, the cogs go round which moves the arms. The same applies to the Earth and the Universe, The universe is complex and orderly so therefore the Universe must have a designer who is powerful. This designer is God''

Now, what are the problems with this argument? I need to know for my Religious Studies exam next week, cheers.
Its bad anology comparing Technology to something that is organic.

The watch had multiple designers, which could be both male and female of what ever cultural background/sexuality/health etc which goes against there being a single, all powerfull, God.

The design of the watch would of had multiple stages such as prototypes and prototypes have faults which practically says that god isn't all that intellectual; I suppose it also goes against the 7 days it took to create Earth as well...

I'll go dig up my old philosophy notes and get back to you :p:

Edit: Or you could go Google these arguments
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Attached is one of the many revision booklets my Philosophy teacher gave us in year 12!

Skip to page 40/69 and it's all about the Design Argument. Hume's criticisms, Mill's challenges and Darwinist challenges are all on the following pages.

If you're doing OCR that whole booklet should help you with your exam...hope it's useful! :yes:
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Evolution, basically.
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yes im aware of that but one of the questions may want me to explain to what extent the design argument is convincing, so i need to find weaknesses.
Use your brain. If you can't work it out yourself you don't deserve to pass the exam, do you.
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Use your brain. If you can't work it out yourself you don't deserve to pass the exam, do you.
Nobody can prove if God exists or not. So his argument is flawed :p:
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Use your brain. If you can't work it out yourself you don't deserve to pass the exam, do you.
It's called REVISION!

I have come up with a few problems with the design argument, im sorry I just wanted some more.

I didn't know it was illegal to ask for peoples help :rolleyes:
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(Original post by rosieee91)
Attached is one of the many revision booklets my Philosophy teacher gave us in year 12!

Skip to page 40/69 and it's all about the Design Argument. Hume's criticisms, Mill's challenges and Darwinist challenges are all on the following pages.

If you're doing OCR that whole booklet should help you with your exam...hope it's useful! :yes:
Thanks so much, this is really helpful
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Even if the teleological argument (the argument to which you refer) did prove the existence of a designer, it wouldn't prove the existence of the Christians' omnipotent, omni-benevolent, omniscient god.
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I didn't know it was illegal to ask for peoples help :rolleyes:
Didn't you get the memo?
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There are quite a few, a good start would be to read Wikipedia's entry on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_argument and probably also reading some of its sources.

You could also use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_poor_design since an omnipotent designer shouldn't have designed so poorly but more importantly, the designer added features that to the best of our knowledge have no real purpose, something you wouldn't expect to find in a designed watch.
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It's basically an argument from ignorance "I cannot think of a way for this to have happened other than the one I propose therefore the one I propose is true"

As someone else said, evolution basically
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the designer added features that to the best of our knowledge have no real purpose, something you wouldn't expect to find in a designed watch.
Yes, to the best of our knowledge, however perhaps we haven't realised yet that that beeping noise at half seven every morning serves a purpose.
Just because we haven't understood the reasoning behind something yet, it doesn't mean that it isn't there, or that we won't eventually come to appreciate it.

(I don't like the teleological argument, I just like playing devil's advocate)
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It's basically an argument from ignorance "I cannot think of a way for this to have happened other than the one I propose therefore the one I propose is true"

As someone else said, evolution basically
He'll not get many marks for a simple answer like that
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He'll not get many marks for a simple answer like that
I know, I don't think putting ''EVOLUTION'' in the exam will get me many (if any) marks.
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He'll not get many marks for a simple answer like that
Dunno, I got 10 A*s for "simple answers like that".

So basically, suck it.
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How does evolution explain the origin of the universe :s
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How does evolution explain the origin of the universe :s
The argument from design does not traditionally concern the origin of the universe, if you read it he's talking about the origin of humans/aniimals.
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