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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    Not quite the same. People have to eat, they originally choose to smoke. And how do you make a distinction between people who are obese for medical reasons, or becuase of poor education about diet and an unhealthy lifestyle?
    People dont have to eat more than they need to survive. Thus - in eating excess they are, like with smoking, choosing to do so. It is entirely analogous.

    How do you make a distinction between medical reasons and poor education? Well - a doctor does - through tests on say - your thyroid, or a psychologist, on whether you have a medically recognised eating disorder.

    Its not hard.
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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    I think that's a very naive way of looking at it. There are lots of socio-economic factors that need to be considered too.
    Its not naive at all. People in general choose to eat unhealthily.

    What factors are you talking about?
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    Do u know how long it would take to weigh all the people in US and UK periodically???
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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    Not quite the same. People have to eat, they originally choose to smoke. And how do you make a distinction between people who are obese for medical reasons, or becuase of poor education about diet and an unhealthy lifestyle?
    The majority of fat people are so because they eat **** and don't exercise. Period. Ever notice how fat people tend to have fat pets?
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    (Original post by laura789)
    and is that not unfair to the ppl who enjoy unhealthy foods in MODERATION
    In the same way that alcohol duties are unfair for the majority of the population who drink in moderation, but have to pay for twentyfold increases in policing and A&E costs over the weekend.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    The majority of fat people are so because they eat **** and don't exercise. Period. Ever notice how fat people tend to have fat pets?
    Conclusion. People like pets that look like them.
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    (Original post by mobb_theprequel)
    I'm not telling you that at all.

    But in the present day and age, it's often reasonable to assume that people who seriously under-eat do so because they suffer from nervosa - and are therefore not wholly at fault for their eating disorder. To believe that all obese people are morbidly overweight because they've willingly pigged out in Burger King all their lives is perhaps unfair

    Surely anorexia and obesity are different ends of the same spectrum. They both involve eating disorders, but just manifest themselves differently depending on the psychological causes.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    The majority of fat people are so because they eat **** and don't exercise. Period. Ever notice how fat people tend to have fat pets?
    I totally agree. So in order to address the problem we should be targetting the food industry in order to reduce the amount of crap people can eat.
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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    Surely anorexia and obesity are different ends of the same spectrum. They both involve eating disorders, but just manifest themselves differently depending on the psychological causes.
    Not at all. TO say that obesity per se - is a result of a psychological condition that is recognised by the medical rpofession just inst true.

    On that basis over 35% of the US has an eating disorder.

    Being obese does NOT = an eating disorder

    There may be SOME who have such a problem - but they arent even the majority - let alone the total.
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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    I totally agree. So in order to address the problem we should be targetting the food industry in order to reduce the amount of crap people can eat.
    Target them how?

    The best thing to do is to tax unhealthy food and use the funds to educate people and subsidise th ecosts of healthy food.
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    Interestingly, obesity (or the health impacts thereof) isn't the huge problem in the US as was previously thought.

    http://www.channelone.com/news/2005/04/20/ap_obesity/
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    (Original post by Lawz-)
    Not at all. TO say that obesity per se - is a result of a psychological condition that is recognised by the medical rpofession just inst true.

    On that basis over 35% of the US has an eating disorder.

    Being obese does NOT = an eating disorder

    There may be SOME who have such a problem - but they arent even the majority - let alone the total.
    I'd disagree with you. We're talking extreme ends of the spectrum. People who are morbidly obese are suffering from an eating disorder just as much as those who are morbidly thin. They are unable (from a psychological perspective) to control their eating, just as anorexics see not eating as a form of control in their lives.
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    America and the UK suffer badly, in comparison to to other nations, from obesity. Is this because of their wealth? I propose an obesity tax, people should pay tax rates based on their weight(kg?)/height(cm?) ratio. What better incentive to stay fit?

    Although women would have different ratios, because of muscle mass and things, so it wouldn't be quite fair.....
    Surely a vice tax would be more appropriate than some twisted BMI-related taxation? Genetics plays a large role in height and weight. It wouldn't exactly be fair to punish short, dumpy people even more than their parents already have.
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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    Surely anorexia and obesity are different ends of the same spectrum. They both involve eating disorders, but just manifest themselves differently depending on the psychological causes.
    Precisely: and in the public psyche, it would be seen as totally out of order to levy a tax against anorexics. But it's okay to tax the obese!
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    (Original post by Lawz-)
    Not at all. TO say that obesity per se - is a result of a psychological condition that is recognised by the medical rpofession just inst true.

    On that basis over 35% of the US has an eating disorder.

    Being obese does NOT = an eating disorder

    There may be SOME who have such a problem - but they arent even the majority - let alone the total.
    "Eating Disorder"......just an excuse for not being able to exercise self restraint and lay off the Cornish pasties IMO.
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    (Original post by Lawz-)
    Target them how?

    The best thing to do is to tax unhealthy food and use the funds to educate people and subsidise th ecosts of healthy food.
    Prevent them brainwashing us into believing crap is good for us, reduce salt and sugar in all foods (totally unnecessary), and make unhealthy foods extortionately expensive.
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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    I'd disagree with you. We're talking extreme ends of the spectrum. People who are morbidly obese are suffering from an eating disorder just as much as those who are morbidly thin. They are unable (from a psychological perspective) to control their eating, just as anorexics see not eating as a form of control in their lives.
    Where's your evidence for that? Because people who are morbidly thin have a disorder the same must apply to the other end of the specturm?

    Regardless - where did "morbidly" come into it - Obese is a scientific term - and one that applies to 35%+ of the US... why did you begin to qualify it?

    The notion that 35% of the US is unable to control how much they eat is simply not true - indeed, its patently absurd and without any sort of basis.
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    (Original post by Lawz-)
    Height and weight? Well then every healthy somoan would be taxed through the roof.

    Much better to tax the food that causes it .
    No, they wouldnt be punished for height, its weight to height ratio, so you'd be punished for ...fatness....excpet i didnt account for muscle mass....
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    What would be the gains of having lots of healthy people? Why do you say that is suffering? Millions of Americans are suffering?
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    (Original post by Nikki J S)
    Prevent them brainwashing us into believing crap is good for us, reduce salt and sugar in all foods (totally unnecessary), and make unhealthy foods extortionately expensive.
    Tax unhealthy food?

    Yes - my point exactly.
 
 
 
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