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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    oh no, i think actually, you are the one who's point scoring. Anyone can see i referred to the point about government spending per head on education,being nowhere near what you claimed it was, ie the same or than for private education...I don't know why i have to repeat this
    hmm...very interesting reading - not equal, but the differences are only marginal

    this is from the guardian bear in mind, normally a quite a left-wing paper.

    The cost per pupil in state schools is £3,735 in primary schools and £4,855 in secondary schools, against £5,602 and £6,364 respectively in independent schools - only 50% more at primary level and 30% more at secondary level.

    The independent sector spends its pounds more efficiently. Why? Because it doesn't have a burdensome bureaucracy and, put simply, it is better able to manage its money. The fact that if a school doesn't perform it will lose its funding - its pupils - means there are inbuilt incentives, as in any such business, to control costs, to innovate and to target customers' needs. Take a look at the state education budget for the exact opposite. Total state spending on primary and secondary schools is £27bn, of which schools get £18bn directly. The Department for Education and Skills and local education authorities spends the other £9bn on their behalf.


    it is the mismanagement of the state sector to blame for poor standards in school, private schools have nothing to do with the problem. abolishing them as tis_me_lord advocates would do nothing.
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    (Original post by Lawzzzzzz)
    Name these obnoxious values? I went to public school and know people from countless others – and to be honest – there is no discernably higher propensity for being obnoxious than those who haven’t.

    Need to ram a sense of self-regarding superiority down peoples throats(pasted from below), and the notion that "you envy us" down peoples throats, an example of which is your outburst beneath..



    What basis do you have for making this claim?

    I told you before, i go to a university full of them, and no, of course they are not ALL dislikable.. But i have seen these attitudes routinely spouted in student magazines and debate for ages now, enough to feel that its widespread. You don't really seem incredibly hard to categorise.


    The FACT of the matter is that (in a way quite rightly) there is a covetous air to people that complain about the “superior education” that people get at private school. It’s a natural logical and perfectly understandable thing… there’s nothing wrong with envying those who are given greater opportunity than yourself simply through an accident of birth. What other term would you employ? Resentment?

    I'm sure some people do covet that, its the assumption that everybody subscribes to those values thats annoying.
    Well i'm telling you some people could not care less, as i say, if there a good state schools in your area with top results(like many state schools in my area the sixth form in my area has top results in the country), then why send them to PS?

    "You have NO … I repeat ABSOLUTELY no concept of what you are talking about … and if you are offended I could care less.(Completely pointless need to assert superiority) Your completely off hand, unfounded comments are simply not based in any sort of experience or knowledge you have been able to glean. The fact of the matter is that people send their children to public schools for the education and the general environment which they see as conducive an enjoyable and well rounded childhood."

    What makes you any better qualified to know this than me, have you conducted a survey?

    "I’m glad you latched on to ONE word in my post – but like I say the gist of it was – you make generalisations and accusations about “brainwashing” without any evidence or experience "…
    I think i can be 100% sure that i have never been spoken to like this or addressed in this manner by too many state-educated people(zero, in fact). We could argue all day about generalisations being invalid, but this need to ram a sense of self-regarding superiority down peoples throats is a distinctly private school,or at least tory trait. You are right that people in state schools can be obnoxious also, there are plenty of right wing, daily mail reading tossers- give them loads of money, put them in public school and they come out a right wing telegraph reading tosser with a posher accent and a higher sense of superiority ..its the same type. I'm just saying thats the type thats inclined to be attracted to the idea. Socialists rarely send their kids private regardless of their wealth
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    [QUOTE=ant87]hmm...very interesting reading - not equal, but the differences are only marginal

    this is from the guardian bear in mind, normally a quite a left-wing paper.

    [B]The cost per pupil in state schools is £3,735 in primary schools and £4,855 in secondary schools, against £5,602 and £6,364 respectively in independent schools - only 50% more at primary level and 30% more at secondary level.

    so they have a higher per pupil cost..thats all we argued
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    Anyway i can't be arsed with this, i'm going to entertainment
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    I think i can be 100% sure that i have never been spoken to like this or addressed in this manner by too many state-educated people(zero, in fact).
    Ohhh of course you must be right - no one who hasn’t gone to public school would EVER be insulting ... not at all...

    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    We could argue all day about generalisations being invalid, but this need to ram a sense of self-regarding superiority down peoples throats is a distinctly private school,or at least tory trait.
    Who said I was saying I was superior - if you actually read my post you will see I actually said the opposite - if YOU come across as being idiotic to me, then so be it, but that’s not because I went to public school or the fact that you didn’t, its because you are being idiotic.

    And im not even close to being a Tory - so guess again.

    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    You are right that people in state schools can be obnoxious also, there are plenty of right wing, daily mail reading tossers
    Ahhh prejudice once again rears its ugly head - I love the implication that the people at state schools who are obnoxious are only those who are right wing - what utter crap ... obnoxiousness is a human trait - not a preserve of a particular part of the spectrum - as you aptly illustrate by claiming that people who go to private school are brainwashed .

    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    - give them loads of money, put them in public school and they come out a right wing telegraph reading tosser with a posher accent and a higher sense of superiority ..its the same type. I'm just saying thats the type thats inclined to be attracted to the idea.
    More prejudice? What a bitter twisted little boy you are - what the HELL does accent have to do with anything? Why should people be belittled for that? hmmm reeks of class warfare to me

    Once again though - you have NO knowledge of your topic - I AGAIN ask you how you know all this? How do you have such an in-depth insight into the personalities of those at public school? You didn’t attend one - you really have no basis for comparison - People like you actually make me laugh - you have such a chip on you shoulder that you lambaste people who are actually perfectly decent human beings simply to make a point about social structure.... pathetic really.

    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    Socialists rarely send their kids private regardless of their wealth
    Hmmm I wonder then why Socialism is a dying ethos? Why its failed in EVERY country where it has come to power?

    Oh well ...
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    re: original thread.

    They should go if they want to and can afford it...they shouldn't not be given the right on merit of background.

    As for government funding, or funding issues for state school people, i think that is another issue, and people should go to private schools if they can afford it. If tehy can't and want to, then tuff luck - thats life.

    i'm from a state school and am working class, and wish i was at a private school, for the reason of being around like minded people, but in the end, it is you that has to do the work in the end, and you that can teach yourself stuff properly if the teachers are crap or whatever...that is true for whatever type of school you go to.
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    [QUOTE=Lawzzzzzz]Ohhh of course you must be right - no one who hasn’t gone to public school would EVER be insulting ... not at all...

    Being so smug and patronising is incredibly rare actually


    Who said I was saying I was superior -

    Your tone is



    Ahhh prejudice once again rears its ugly head - I love the implication that the people at state schools who are obnoxious are only those who are right wing - .

    So you would deny that theres any correlation between personality type and political leanings? I wouldnt, sorry if thats "prejudice", but some prejudice exists for a reason


    More prejudice? What a bitter twisted little boy you are - what the HELL does accent have to do with anything? Why should people be belittled for that? hmmm reeks of class warfare to me


    It really irritates me having to clarify every little point because you or whatshername misconstrue it. I never made any insuations about an accent being a judge of character, i said the reverse, that a person who was fundamentally unpleasant/OR held right wing views would be the same regardless of education and accent....and no, this does not contradict my original point, it just means that although it may be wrong to say public school "instills" these values in someone, people with these kind of values(i mentioned before) are more lkely to gravitate towards/aspire to public school..

    you have such a chip on you shoulder that you lambaste people who are actually perfectly decent human beings simply to make a point about social structure.... pathetic really.

    Where is the logic behind this chip on the shoulder accusation, i told you my parents could send me private if they liked...?
    I told you, i am not lambasting every single person in Britain who ever attended a public school, i've come to the conclusion that there is a particular personality type that is very likely attracted by it, thats as far as i'd go.


    Hmmm I wonder then why Socialism is a dying ethos? Why its failed in EVERY country where it has come to power?

    I'm not saying it isnt!! It probably is.....so??!!
    Did i disagree with that. The statement i made was socialists rarely send their kids private...whats that got to do with the above??


    And as regards the whole thing, i think all kinds of people are liable to be brainwashed, there is NO higher proportion of these at private school than anywhere else..i am sure the same proportion of conformist/easily influenced people at state school who can be stereotyped....its just that the stereotypes you could form here would be unlikely to be ones i disliked quite so much..I was originally questioning why so many people who i know to be privately educated, have in print presented this kind of hateful superiority and self-regard...and yes of course there are many similar personality types at state school, from different economic backgrounds
    I would say there is a significant personality difference in a sample of people who,If they had the money would send their kids private and those who do send them private, and those who wouldnt send them private regardless of wealth...
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    The statement i made was socialists rarely send their kids private
    Because they can't afford to because they spend all their energy bleating on about rich people rather than becoming rich themselves.
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    What does 'working class' mean neways? Is it below a certain wage or certain kinds of jobs?
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    (Original post by Haras Sarah)
    What does 'working class' mean neways? Is it below a certain wage or certain kinds of jobs?
    People who live in council houses, do manual work, and smell of brussel sprouts.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Because they can't afford to because they spend all their energy bleating on about rich people rather than becoming rich themselves.
    I was reffering to wealthy socialists howard,there is such a thing..i should edit that
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    (Original post by Howard)
    People who live in council houses, do manual work, and smell of brussel sprouts.
    Harold--you claimed your parents were from a not well-off background, what are their views, similar to yours?
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    I was reffering to wealthy socialists howard,there is such a thing..i should edit that
    Ah, the Armchair socialists; the Islington dinner party set. No, they don't send their kids private, they just follow Blair's lead and find clever ways to send their kids to the elite state schools and then spend the money they save on additional tuition at home. Still, at least that way they can occupy the moral high ground for refusing to go private and give their kids any advantages. :rolleyes:
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    oh wait for it, here we go
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    Harold--you claimed your parents were from a not well-off background, what are their views, similar to yours?
    I've absolutely no idea.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Ah, the Armchair socialists; the Islington dinner party set. No, they don't send their kids private, they just follow Blair's lead and find clever ways to send their kids to the elite state schools and then spend the money they save on additional tuition at home. Still, at least that way they can occupy the moral high ground for refusing to go private and give their kids any advantages. :rolleyes:

    Howard, i am not talking about Islington gentry..and why is a wealthy socialist an armchair socialist!!??..Is that the old tory argument about how socilaists should throw all their money away??
    For many people its nothing do with moral high ground, its do with what they want their kids to experience
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I've absolutely no idea.
    What...None??!! :eek:
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    Howard, i am not talking about Islington gentry..and why is a wealthy socialist an armchair socialist!!??..Is that the old tory argument about how socilaists should throw all their money away??
    For many people its nothing do with moral high ground, its do with what they wan't their kids to experience
    Well any parent that would want their children to experience some of these inner city "seats of learning" when they could send them somewhere else needs to see a doctor. There's plenty of time to mix with the great unwashed during one's lifetime but no need to screw up an education to get a head start on it.

    I can just vision the conversation at the Islington tofu party......

    Cynthia: "My son bless him, can't read or write, is barely numerate, and even got stabbed last week by the boy that got expelled for arson......but what a great experience for him"

    Mellisa" "Oh, that's wonderful....if only Marcus and I could offer Cuthbert the same opportunity" :rolleyes:

    Haha....go on, admit it....that's funny as fcuk.
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    What...None??!! :eek:
    i'm absolutely clueless about what my folks think about this sort of thing. Don't know. Don't care.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    i'm absolutely clueless about what my folks think about this sort of thing. Don't know. Don't care.
    But a lot of the views you came out with before, would sound quite derogatory to people with occupations like your parents......? i'm puzzled by that

    oh yeah..you said you dont care
 
 
 
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