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(Original post by tortise123)
hmm .. they are in favour of american universities .. we have one of the oldest universities in the world
oxford is the oldest afaik
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oxford is the oldest afaik
No its not - the Sorbonne in Paris is older.

Oxford is the oldest English-speaking university

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hmmm, glasgow, leicester, sussex, all higher than durham... I always thought durham had a great reputation...
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hmmm, glasgow, leicester, sussex, all higher than durham... I always thought durham had a great reputation...
Personally I think Durham's overrated. Its a nice place and everything and people who haven't had much experience of universities are really impressed by it, but I think its reputation has decreased in recent years.

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No its not - the Sorbonne in Paris is older.

Oxford is the oldest English-speaking university

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actually
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20030501.html
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actually
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20030501.html
Hmmm, OK I stand corrected. The Sorbonne was effectively the most important centre of education in the world though before Henry II ordered all English students leave Paris in the 12th century. They relocated to Oxford, although there had been teaching in Oxford monasteries for some time prior to this.

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Hmmm, OK I stand corrected. The Sorbonne was effectively the most important centre of education in the world though before Henry II ordered all English students leave Paris in the 12th century. They relocated to Oxford, although there had been teaching in Oxford monasteries for some time prior to this.

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well done to henry then, for giving britain its educational independence
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well done to henry then, for giving britain its educational independence
Indeed, hooray!!!! Although the Sorbonne is amazing - its my absolute dream to study there......oh well :rolleyes:

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Indeed, hooray!!!! Although the Sorbonne is amazing - its my absolute dream to study there......oh well :rolleyes:

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im sure youll have a good chance of going there with a high class oxon degree
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im sure youll have a good chance of going there with a high class oxon degree
Strange. I wouldn't have though half of those to be listed so low were that bad.
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mahvish, r u planning to go to uk for further studies? if yes then reply me at [email protected] as i have recieved an offer from university of oxford and still looking for best opportunity



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Hello I'm new here - studied a BA in Denmark and doing an internships at ADB (Pakistan) right now. Trying to decide what and where to do my Masters.

Anyway - about the rankings. They are totally screwed up. Using Harvard as a benchmark is stupid. The whole nobel prize thing is stupid as well.

And what the hell is up with LSE being so low??? I mean - seriously! and IIT in India is one of the best in the world - so is the Danish Technical Univeristy (DTU). This is a biased ranking made by unprofessional educationists who rank universities on a hunch instead of actual unbiased and informative information and judgement.
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First of all, European Union accepted it.

" carefully made and independent"
http://europa.eu.int/comm/research/...3_12_31_en.html


and economist journal: "painstaking ranking of best world universities.

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Many prestiguous universities supported it.

1)Oxford University's chancellor Chris Patten speech (9th in this ranking)
Oxford University's chancellor Chris Patten today addressed the parliamentary
and scientific committee at their annual lunch. This is the full text of his s
peech

What I worry far more about is the growing gap between America's universities
and our European ones. Shanghai Jiaotong University recently sought to rank th
e world's top 500 universities. The methodology looks fairly solid - Nobel lau
reates, highly cited researchers, articles published in "Nature" and "Science"
, articles in the Science Citation Index-expanded and Social Sciences Citation
Index, and academic performance per faculty. Maybe there was too much emphasi
s on the sciences; maybe too little on teaching compared with academic or rese
arch performance; maybe there is a linguistic bias in favour of work published
in English. Nevertheless, it looks like a pretty good stab at a fair comparis
on - a comparison which should make a European extremely worried.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publ...1141757,00.html



2)U of Toronto president Robert Birgeneau called this "one of many indicators that suggests we are making progress in our ambitions to rank among the world's best public research universities."

3) University of british columbia
http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/med...4/mr-04-08.html

4) Imperial university
http://www.imperial.ac.uk/p4887.htm

5) ANU

ANU Vice-Chancellor Professor Ian Chubb said the findings capped a remarkable year for the ANU.

“ANU staff are very distinguished - it’s as simple as that; and this study is another welcome confirmation of their distinction,” Professor Chubb said.
http://info.anu.edu.au/MAC/Media/Me...1210Ranking.asp

6) University of arizona

Associate Dean of the College of Science Gail Burd said, "The citation index shows how many times other scientists refer to our work when they write their own papers. Our high score means that the papers published from the UA have a high impact on other scientists."

"The rankings are completely based on research output and recognition of the faculty," Burd said. "The best research faculty need quality resources (salaries, space, equipment, institutional support, etc). These resources have been substantially below what our peers have been given in recent years. The UA was ranked quite high in spite of reduced resources for the faculty.

http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObject...?ArticleID=8443


7) Lots more....... such as some prestiguous universities in France, germany and swiss.
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now i know not to pay any attention to league tables or uni ranking...it is just a bunch of crap and does not truly reflect the worth of most of the unis involved.
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hmm .. they are in favour of american universities .. we have one of the oldest universities in the world
Since when has old meant better?

It might have been the best uni back in 18/19-whatever but it only matters what the Uni is like now.
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This list is clearly crap.

Where are my old alma matas.......the prestigious "University of Central Lancashire", and the highly selective "Open University"?

Complete shite!
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The rankings are crappy! Favor US too much..
And in the Asia category, they simply think too highly of Japan Uni although some are top-notch in Asia (but definitely not all!)....
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Woo hoo! I've just realised that the Uni i'll be studying abroad at is 59th, and the Uni I srudy at here is on the last page!
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First of all, European Union accepted it.

" carefully made and independent"
http://europa.eu.int/comm/research/...3_12_31_en.html


and economist journal: "painstaking ranking of best world universities.

plus
Many prestiguous universities supported it.

1)Oxford University's chancellor Chris Patten speech (9th in this ranking)
Oxford University's chancellor Chris Patten today addressed the parliamentary
and scientific committee at their annual lunch. This is the full text of his s
peech

What I worry far more about is the growing gap between America's universities
and our European ones. Shanghai Jiaotong University recently sought to rank th
e world's top 500 universities. The methodology looks fairly solid - Nobel lau
reates, highly cited researchers, articles published in "Nature" and "Science"
, articles in the Science Citation Index-expanded and Social Sciences Citation
Index, and academic performance per faculty. Maybe there was too much emphasi
s on the sciences; maybe too little on teaching compared with academic or rese
arch performance; maybe there is a linguistic bias in favour of work published
in English. Nevertheless, it looks like a pretty good stab at a fair comparis
on - a comparison which should make a European extremely worried.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publ...1141757,00.html



2)U of Toronto president Robert Birgeneau called this "one of many indicators that suggests we are making progress in our ambitions to rank among the world's best public research universities."

3) University of british columbia
http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/med...4/mr-04-08.html

4) Imperial university
http://www.imperial.ac.uk/p4887.htm

5) ANU

ANU Vice-Chancellor Professor Ian Chubb said the findings capped a remarkable year for the ANU.

“ANU staff are very distinguished - it’s as simple as that; and this study is another welcome confirmation of their distinction,” Professor Chubb said.
http://info.anu.edu.au/MAC/Media/Me...1210Ranking.asp

6) University of arizona

Associate Dean of the College of Science Gail Burd said, "The citation index shows how many times other scientists refer to our work when they write their own papers. Our high score means that the papers published from the UA have a high impact on other scientists."

"The rankings are completely based on research output and recognition of the faculty," Burd said. "The best research faculty need quality resources (salaries, space, equipment, institutional support, etc). These resources have been substantially below what our peers have been given in recent years. The UA was ranked quite high in spite of reduced resources for the faculty.

http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObject...?ArticleID=8443


7) Lots more....... such as some prestiguous universities in France, germany and swiss.
Crikey. I even slated it a bit!
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Crikey. I even slated it a bit!

It's still hopeless. Of course those who do well in it will not look too closely at it. And with all respect to Chris Patten he is not celebrated in the world of statistics (the opposite-he's a politician)

Even on the website in Shanghai there is an admission that the compilers have found 'no way of' accurately measuring performance for specialist social science and humanities universities..

For that matter the citations index used is very limited, only crudely counting the handful of most prolific researchers in each college, not taking an average citation for each academic in the college. The measurement of Nobels is also deeply suspect-only the college recipients were based at at the time of award is counted (most Nobels are given for work done elsewhere many years before!

I have the email from the professor in Shanghai who compiled it, with reference to LSE's 450th position (!). He says 'I agree that LSE is one of the best universities in Britain and probably in the world...'

It's really a ranking of natural sciences universities..
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i don't know why u guys think about that rankings so much ita all bull.
451-500 London Sch Econonomics
Rank Institution*
Country [email protected]
Nobel Score: 0.0
HiCi Score: 10.3
N&S Score :0.0
SCI :21.3
Score Per Faculty 7.9


Thats Wrong LSE has won 9 Nobels just in Economics...How could their Nobel score be 0.0 ???
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