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Yet I would say that it shows that true socialism is always taken over by "socialism" socialism. This is what I meant by it's inevitable failure - someone will always take advantage of the system.
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Welcome to erenbuyukbicer, newest society member
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Darn, I'd replied already this morning, but my post isn't here....

I'm still not sure. If it hadn't been for the other pig, the socialist utopia looked quite possible. It seems more like a critique of Stalin and his bureaucracy rather than socialism.

Welcome,erenbuyukbicer.
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Animal farm isn't a critique of socialism (Orwell himself was a socialist), but rather a commentary on the abuse of power and the thin dividing line between utopia and dystopia.
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Orwell was a cynical socialist - but this does not mean thar his book does not show the ineviatble failure of socialism. Although it may have been aimed only at Stalin, it does seem to be the rule for all socialist societies that they will be manipulated by the power-hungry.


Does anyone other than me actually like Dickens? Everyone I to talk to seems to hate it.
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Overly descriptive and sentimental, but I like most other things about him.
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People don't like Dickens because he goes into loads of description, takes ages to get to the point, and chooses depressing plots and settings. I like him though David Copperfield is wonderful :love:
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(Original post by Craghyrax)
because he goes into loads of description, takes ages to get to the point
But somehow those ppl still manage to like Tolkien! :rolleyes:
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But somehow those ppl still manage to like Tolkien! :rolleyes:
Ah come on! The plot of the LOTR is far more hooky and suspenseful than anything Dickens wrote :p:
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:p: Not hard to be, really! :p:
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Yeh.. but nobody asks it of Dickens. Dickens is Dickens.
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I might read Oliver Twist in the coming year.

I still don't think Animal farm shows the inevitable failure of socialism, for the reasons I've already given.

Was Orwell a socialist? I didn't know that.
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Is anyone reading McEwan's A Child In Time ? I find it to be fascinating but all my friends have deemed it "cheap fiction".
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Is that Ian McEwan? I've got his 'Saturday', but I haven't read it...
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Yeah I am going to get around to reading that one too. I honestly don't know why people say he writes "cheap fiction", as some of the techniques he employs while writing in the narrative voice are really interesting and in some cases revolutionary.
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Who says 'cheap fiction' is necessarily bad? Yes it might not be canonical literature, but it can still be entertaining.
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Bill Bailey on the three wise men:

"How did they meet, anyway? Did one of them put an ad in the paper - wise man, would like to meet similar for wisdom, travel, etc..."

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Yeah I really don't understand why some people are totally fixated on ensuring everything they read is of merit. If I have a long summer at the coast, sure I'll delve into some truly spectacular volumes, however for my on the go lifestyle I much prefer to read "cheaper" fiction, since, as I read it in small fragments here and there, the plot is much easier to remember.
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All I know about McEwan is that he's an Atheist.

Tell me how 'Saturday' is when you've finished (you'll probably read it before I begin).
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