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aww thanks,that was really useful,i know what to expect now lol and more prepared thanks again.
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Go to your local Armed forces career office(AFCO), they will tell you more and show you videos on basic training and your trade, then if you like what they say and what you have seen they will give you a application form and you start selection or if you want to think about it more they will let you go lol maybe :P.
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i will do.
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Lol, Tom - I was thinking 'Chav' too, so stereotypical, and perhaos shallow. Oh well.

Umm.. just wondering - do you want to join up as an Officer or Rating? Because that info only relates to the non-commissioned route, and I can't work out which branch you fancy from 'Steward'. The selection for Officers is very different (much more selective), as is the the job role, and the pay packet at the end of the month.

If you have any questions or need help with anything - feel free to PM me and I'll be sure to reply when I'm not under the influence .

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(Original post by djmarkmclachlan)
, and the pay packet at the end of the month.

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hey hey

I think £24k isnt bad for being 23 - 24, with no outgoings... as a senior rate!
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Does any one know what goes on up in rosyth at the aqaint centre, what sort of tasks you do and stuff, i hope there isnt to much fitness as i have a slight knee injury from the other day, nothing major i can run still just not to far at the moment till it heals.
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What age are you now? I hate to burste your bubble, but it's unlikely to become a SR by that age; unless you're a Tiffy. LH is JR, and you'll be lucky to be on your Killicks by the age of 23. That's why there so many people are leaving straight after the ROS - on average it is taking around 7 years to get your books read over, before you hit 7 years - even if you've finished them in 2 or 3. The progression from LH to PO and CPO, is even more scarse, because of a shortage a few years back, it affected the JR promotion, and since then has steadily worked its way up the ranks into the SR's. It has been a spread over the branches, too. What are you joining up as OM, Chef or MEM, MEA (SM)?

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tricky_rn
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an AR gets on avrage £15'000 at 20 - 22, from joining at the age of 16. An LR gets £22'849 - £28'714 by the time they get there LR ex, most are between 23 and 28...

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DaveyBoy84
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(Original post by djmarkmclachlan)
What age are you now? I hate to burste your bubble, but it's unlikely to become a SR by that age; unless you're a Tiffy. LH is JR, and you'll be lucky to be on your Killicks by the age of 23. That's why there so many people are leaving straight after the ROS - on average it is taking around 7 years to get your books read over, before you hit 7 years - even if you've finished them in 2 or 3. The progression from LH to PO and CPO, is even more scarse, because of a shortage a few years back, it affected the JR promotion, and since then has steadily worked its way up the ranks into the SR's. It has been a spread over the branches, too. What are you joining up as OM, Chef or MEM, MEA (SM)?

Mark
Sorry Mark, but i truly have no idea what you have just written!

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Ok, this Warfare Specialist, as you'll find out when you get in the Navy - is OM (W); known as 'Painters' within. They changed the name to make it sound nicer, and more appealing, it's the same job. I don't know if you are aware of this yet, but the OM branch falls into the 'low' pay band, as does the AEM, now AET branch, but not if you're upped for the 'Fast-Track'. If you're looking for the most money from your career, you'd better get on the Subs, and there you have a chance of getting promoted quicker, if thats what you want from your career. And also, you said above - SR by the age of 23/24.. again, not unless you're a Tiff, which you aren't. You won't be a LH by then, so no chance of PO or Chief.

You didnt tell me your age, but you won't be a LH by the time your 23, even if you're 17 now, seeing as you can't actually join at 16. And the time scale you gave, is roughly 7 years, however - that isn't you completing your Killicks Course; that's you starting it, believe me - I know enough folk, moaning and griping about the state of promotion who have been in for 9 years and still waiting to get the thumbs up to go to the Brecons.

All I can say, is don't rely on everything you're told from the Careers folk.

Mark

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Lol, Dave - why not? That wasn't too bad, wait till the Navy folks start talking of pissing in heads, forad, aft, run ashore (when based on land!) starboard, port, wrens and all the other crap they like talking.

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(Original post by djmarkmclachlan)
Ok, this Warfare Specialist, as you'll find out when you get in the Navy - is OM (W); known as 'Painters' within. They changed the name to make it sound nicer, and more appealing, it's the same job. I don't know if you are aw..... ing it, believe me - I know enough folk, moaning and griping about the state of promotion who have been in for 9 years and still waiting to get the thumbs up to go to the Brecons.

All I can say, is don't rely on everything you're told from the Careers folk.

Mark

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Lol, Dave - why not? That wasn't too bad, wait till the Navy folks start talking of pissing in heads, forad, aft, run ashore (when based on land!) starboard, port, wrens and all the other crap they like talking.

Mark

Yeah thats cool, cheers Mark.. I know what you mean by it being OM (W) as it was a few years ago, but there introducing new branchs into OM branch so thats why they have changed the name around, the navy always re structure something, its the same with the RAF, Army ect.. Iv always been told Warfare Specialist (OM) by the navy folk so its what im going in as stated on my entry paper work. (Warfare Specialist (OM) 2nd class) The pay isnt that bad any way.. god even if im 20k a year after the training ect... thats still not bad considering thats about 3 - 4k more than most guys around my age get and no out goings (living costs ect...) Plus being in the navy isnt a job its a life, i belive the benefits out weighs anything negative!?? Id rather be earning 20k a year doing something thats worth while that i enjoy and a laugh, than earning 30k in the rat race civi network behind a desk day in, day out! I will volunteer for sub as they will ask me down in Plymouth apprently! The AFCO keep phoning me, i have been told to stick to the SSN's and not the SSBN's.

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Good to see another volunteer for Submarines - SSBNs are OK, just a different lifestyle - fewer runs ashore but a far more stable programme and 2 crews as well on 2 of the 3 running boats so plenty of opportunity for time off or to complete career courses. When on patrol there's plenty of time to study for qualifications, professional or civilian if that what you want. They are all based in sunny Faslane too. The S boats are also Faslane based and have been covering the bulk of the major deployments east of Suez over the last few years, with some cracking port visits. Their programmes tend to be far more flexible in order to cover all the tasking required.

As an aside, the OM rate will not exist next year, the operator-maintainer scheme having not proved as successful as originally hoped. We will still have professional warfare ratings, but the maintenance side will revert to a dedicated branch, the Engineering Technician (ET). I'm still waiting to hear what the warfare rates will be called.
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Good to see another volunteer for Submarines - SSBNs are OK, just a different lifestyle - fewer runs ashore but a far more stable programme and 2 crews as well on 2 of the 3 running boats so plenty of opportunity for time off or to complete career courses. When on patrol there's plenty..... the last few years, with some cracking port visits. Their programmes tend to be far more flexible in order to cover all the tasking required.

As an aside, the OM rate will not exist next year, the operator-maintainer scheme having not proved a... Engineering Technician (ET). I'm still waiting to hear what the warfare rates will be called.

UH! what... your joking, i might chuck in the towel with the navy then... the main reason i wanted to join was becuase i have always wanted to be in warfare and the operator mechanic bit sounded brillient. So it looks like im going to be trained in something i wont do... ?? Might as well go back to being a satellite analyst with BT then.
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UH! what... your joking, i might chuck in the towel with the navy then... the main reason i wanted to join was becuase i have always wanted to be in warfare and the operator mechanic bit sounded brillient. So it looks like im going to be trained in something i wont do... ?? Might as well go back to being a satellite analyst with BT then.
The maintainer part of the role was always fairly minimal, the OM being seconded to the Weapons Engineering section for only a relatively short time and carrying out simple maintenance tasks in order to complete their task book to get recommended for advancement.
When you say you want to be in warfare, what do you mean? The ET branch might still provide you with the level of interaction with weapons systems that you want. Also as a warfare rating in the Submarine Service you will be expected to maintain a reasonable level of technical knowledge in order to earn your dolphins. The communications branch in particular will be expected to operate and manage computer networks to a much greater degree than the OM(C) did previously.
Have a chat with the AFCO about the new branch structures, hopefully they'll have the terms of reference for them by now. If not, PM me and I'll see what I can dig out for you.

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tricky_rn
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thats good.... i have spoken to my afco and they said they can put me into volenteer for submarines but on my physcometric test i scored low in numeracy. I have always had problems with maths but my mechanical side and technicabilty im very good at as being a satllite annlyst, its only when it comes down to mentalarithmetic i suck. It just takes me longer to work things out than average and i didnt have enough time to correctly answer all the questions stated so had to randomly tick them all int he test... the afco said they are in need of submariners at the moment and will look into me and see how well i do down in raleigh!
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Oh, I wasn't being negative about the Navy, it's bloody fantastic. I was just saying, don't swallow what the AFCO say, 'cause remember that they have to get people through the door: that's their job; so they might 'sell' the branch a little. I haven't heard about people being asked to go on Subs while down at Raleigh, but if you show an interest they may consider you - remember it is very physically demanding too, I don't think I have the strength of character to do the 30m tank.

Ok, I see this is dragging on a little, but, you are 20, joining as an OM and expecting to be a SR by the time you're 23? There is no chance of that, even if you join as an MEA. There is no chance of joining the OM branch and becoming a LH by that time either. You're looking at finishing your books, and had a bit of seatime by then, but not up for your Hookey. However, as you said - not about money, it's the life you join for. That is something which won;t fail you, if you are sure you are the right person for the job, as the life is second to none. I'm not too clued up on the wage packets anymore, but 20K seems a bit far fetched after only a couple of years and not even finished your ROS. You get 2 pay rises per year, one annuelly on the date 6 months after you commence Raleigh, and the other around about August time if I remember correctly.

Yeah OldSubmariner, thats the same as the MET/ AET schemes. But the Warfare Specialist is the OM (W) with little change. The MEM/MEA branch both merged, as did the AEM/AEA to make the ET's, but there was no OM Tiff scheme, so the OM shares roles with other OM Mates, but is still primarily OM (W).

Lol, OM sounded brilliant? Sitting at a computer screen watching a little display for awhile .

Did you get above 75? I think that is the threshold for not so good trades, with the Artificers having to get above 90. If it is only maths, I'm sure they can arrange for you to sit an extra maths test, which would pull the score up a little if you needed it. If it's just mental arithmetic that holds you back, then get your ass to the library and start practising! Best way of improving it . Lol, not many people finish the tests, so don't think you're the only one. Example: The WR one, 30 questions in 2 minutes when I sat it, no-one gets that finished, it's just a case of how WELL you can work at speed .

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tricky_rn
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Cool stuff, but watching shipmates tonight seems like its defo me. I dont think things matter to much about grades in maths it just dosent mean i get a fast promotion but if i got respect and did well at my job on ship im sure id be looked at. Also its not just looking at a screen il be doing loads of stuff, from gunnery to the towed sonar array!
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(Original post by djmarkmclachlan)

Yeah OldSubmariner, thats the same as the MET/ AET schemes. But the Warfare Specialist is the OM (W) with little change. The MEM/MEA branch both merged, as did the AEM/AEA to make the ET's, but there was no OM Tiff scheme, so the OM shares roles with other OM Mates, but is still primarily OM (W).

Mark
There will be a change, the Maintainer part of the OM is being completely removed and we will be adopting a similar system to the old Operations Branch, although the sub-branches will be different. There has been talk of not specialising in a particular area but remaining as a general warfare rating who can then be drafted between the Above Water Warfare and Under Water Warfare fields as required. Personally I think this is a mistake. In submarines, the different warfare streams - Tactical Systems, Sonar, Communications and Weapons are quite separate and require different skills. Also at the Senior Rate level the command need a specialist to give advice, not a jack of all trades. When I find more details I will post them.
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Does any one know what you have to do at the aqaint centre in rosyth? What task you got to complete ect... ?
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(Original post by djmarkmclachlan)
Lol, Dave - why not? That wasn't too bad, wait till the Navy folks start talking of pissing in heads, forad, aft, run ashore (when based on land!) starboard, port, wrens and all the other crap they like talking.

Mark

To be quite frank they can talk that way as much as they want... It'll go so far over my head it may as well be a hot air balloon.

And why on earth would anyone want to discuss pissing in heads? It's just wrong!! Not to mention quite difficult to do, no doubt.

Dave
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