TSR BNP Party... Watch

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I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PARTY I AM HERE AS A MODERATOR TO OVERSEE THE DISCUSSION.

THE PROPOSER OF THE PARTY IS FATED, PLEASE CONTACT HIM REGARDING THE PARTY DISCUSSION. PLEASE PM ME IF YOU WISH TO SUPPORT THIS PARTY FORMATION.


Supporters so far:
abucha3
Tomyuri
Olekander
iainthegreat
Kickflip

Supporters with more than 3 months experience and 250 posts (10 of these will be needed to form the party):
Seven_Three
Howard
Goddess Fury
Arminius
Fated
jayman
daniel_williams
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policies so far
Crime

Essentially a return to harsh (capital) punishment for murderers, paedophiles, terrorists and the like. A return to petty (corporal) punishment for more minor crimes such as stealing. Criminals are often given basic human rights that they denied their victims, as a result, these human rights will not be given to the criminals.

Economy
A TSR BNP government would support the revival of a British manufacturing industry, impose tariffs on foreign goods, and encourage the growth of innovative sectors such as the IT industry. Britain, not even 60 years ago, was reknowned for its prowess in various industries, and the betrayal of Thatcher to our manufacturing firms will be reversed. Although links must be made on an international level to other countries (for British goods need a market), the first priority is getting the industries back up and running - once this has occured, more policies can follow.

Education

Today, the education system is a joke, with exams getting easier every year. The BNP would support a return to 'traditional' schooling, with the re-introduction of the cane for disipline, yet in a way that ensures that teachers are held accountable for any action taken (if for instance, they are unnecessarily cruel).

European Union

British farmers, manufacturers etc. are exceedingly good at their jobs, but as a result of various EU legislation we are penalised for this. The EU also allows denizens of Eastern European immigrants in for work, seasonal or otherwise, work which could - in theory - be very well suited to providing work experience for our youth.

Immigration

Public services are overwhelmed (particularly the NHS) as a result of the huge amount of people living in Britain today. There also remains unemployment in the country, meaning that there are residents without jobs, so immigration is unnecessary in that context. Addtionally, lax border controls that are seen today result in unprecedented levels of immigration, which has resulted in an upsurge of racism (from both sides) as cultures clash and fail to integrate into the British way of life. Therefore, the TSR BNP would bring immigration to an absolute halt.

Military

Currently, the British military is used as a pawn by America for American interests. Under a TSR BNP government, British troops would be used for British interests. Additionally, the a TSR BNP government would support the reintroduction of substantial funding for the military, for the shambles it is in today is simply embarassing, a shambles that needs to be reversed.

Public Services

Public services have been privatised and although the competition in the private sector was supposed to aid flagging services this has simply not happened - trains are still late, bus companies continually cut down on rural routes and the NHS uses private contractors to clean their hospitals, which obviously has been a disaster. Therefore, a BNP government would subsidise existing public services, and end the outsourcing of work to private companies, whilst buying back services (such as the train system) to offer a better service for all.
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PM from Afcwimbledon2Hi Mr Speaker,

Can I ask this question in the "TSR BNP Party" thread?

"If you were given only 1 topic (you had to pick) to start a brand new bill on - what would the topic be?"

Thanks
Simon (AFCWIMBLEDON2)



if anyone from the people wishing to set up the TSR BNP Party would like to send me a PM in response then it would be greatly appreciated. also if anyone else wishes to ask questions please do so via a PM to me.
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PM from YuffieYou say you want "capital punishment for paedophiles". You do realise there is a difference between child molesters and paedophiles and that paedophilia is a sexuality, right? Do you wish for an extermination of peaceful paedophiles who suppress their desires, or do you wish to amend your manifesto to say "child molesters"?
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PM from DayneD89Can you ask the following in the BNP thread:

You stated your criteria (in a different thread) for being British as;

1) born in Britain
2) parents born in Britain
3) grandparents born in Britain.

My Brother was born in Germany to British parents and British/European grandparents. Would you not consider him to be British and would you deny him entry to the country if he was not already here?
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response from abucha3Dear DayneD89,

I actually said the criteria for being British is:

1) Born in Great Britain
2) Parents born in Great Britain
3) Grandparents born in Great Britain or Europe

I believe that your brother is British and personally should be allowed to come to the UK. The fact that there is a link in your family to Germany is neither here nor there.

Germany is in the European Union, like Great Britain and this entitles the travel of citizens from European country to European country without question.

However, there are other members of the British National Party who say that Britain is just for the British. I feel that those in the European Union should be allowed.


(Original post by DayneD89)
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response from abucha3Dear AFCWimbledon2,

Personally, I believe that to start a bill on tighter immigration would be the best option.

If Great Britain were to limit immigration then the following would occur:

1) Better Health Services

There will be less strain on the National Health Service (NHS) to deal with people because the population levels will be lower.

2) Better Education

As less foreigners will be occupying places in state schools. There will be fewer students to teachers which will increase the standard of education.

3) Lower Levels of Unemployment

As the population lowers with immigrants being restricted access, the demand for work will be higher. This will result in a lower level of unemployment; a factor of the recession.

4) Lower Taxes/No Waste of Money

The British Government, under the Labour Party, is pouring out money in benefits to non-european immigrants. With a cease to this taxes will lower because less money will be handed on a plate to immigrants.

As you can see, immigration is the problem in Great Britain and is the greatest threat. The British National Party will target immigration as a priority. Once immigration is dealt with, then these other areas will dramatically improve.


(Original post by AFCWimbledon2)
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response from abucha3Dear Yuffie,

Over recent years, acts of sexual abuse on children has increased dramatically.

The British National Party intends to bring back Capitol Punishment which would enable the government to issue the death penalty. We would use this sentence to suitably punish paedophiles.

The sentence would only be issue if the following were proved:

1) The person has sexually abused a child under the age of sixteen which can be supported with evidence.

2) The person has photographs or visual products which are deemed as "child pornography" or has used a camera to take images of children.

3) The person has been proved to "spy" on children from his window etc.

We would only issue the death penalty to paedophiles who we deem are a threat to the public and have been proved to be in compliance with one of the above three factors, warrant for the death penalty.

People who we suspect to be paedophiles but fail to have enough evidence will be closely monitored.

No one would receive the death penalty unless they have committed an action listed above.


(Original post by Yuffie)
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Question from DayneD89So to be allowed into Britain you must only fulfill one of the three criteria? If someone had a grandparent who was born in france but had moved outside europe their grandchildren could come in then? Or must all three be met, in which case my brother could not come in?
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PM from MelancholyHello, BNP supporters. You start your proposal with a comment upon 'crime' with a reference to "harsh [capital] punishment for...paedophiles". You later highlight your stance on 'education' that "the BNP would support a return to 'traditional' schooling, with the re-introduction of the cane for disipline".

As I'm sure you're aware, bedroom morality, tastes and preferences have changed in modern Britain. The rise in reportings of activities related to sadomaschism may perhaps worry you. Yet it particularly worries me that you are supporting a stereotypical 'Catholic' approach to schooling. Remove the old-fashioned canes and whips from schools, you kinky devils!

Just saying that "you will [magically] ensure that teachers are held to account" for their actions, simply won't do. You see, I value my self-ownership. Yeah, I might have been a bad boy at school (I wasn't, incidentally, but I'll continue), but being whipped and verbally accused of being a "big bad, naughty boy" and physically hit on the hand simply won't do. And I shan't let you do it to my children without their consent. Teachers aren't perfect.

I'm rather baffled by your "I'm so hard" capital punishment approach. Yeah, hang the murderers and paedos. Just don't remind yourself that it doesn't reduce murder rates, 'coz that would just be thick, wouldn't it?

So, it leaves no chance for reform, it's actually more expensive, it gives the criminal an easy way out, etc etc etc... hmmm, wait, what arguments actually are there in favour of giving the [fallible] state enough power to decide who deserves to die? I can think of no such arguments in favour (other than an outpour of emotions), but I have a siezeable and convincing list against the death penalty.

As for tariffs as a decent economic policy for "protecting" British businesses, I direct you presently to the economics classroom. Why do you support tariffs on foreign goods? Do you dislike free trade? Surely a better economic policy would be to help British companies compete in a free market? I cannot think of any country that has benefitted from protectionism - there are plenty of examples for the contrary.

You also say that "public services are overwhelmed (particularly the NHS) as a result of the huge amount of people living in Britain today". You neglect the fact that many doctors come over here from abroad. My GP comes from Asia. He's a nice guy, actually; probably much nicer than some of the "scum" that have lived here all their lives. Mobility in labour markets isn't a bad thing.

You say that "there also remains unemployment in the country, meaning that there are residents without jobs." Yet surely immigration aids the specialisation of workers which aids, not hinders, businesses which could pull us out of recession and reduce unemployment figures in the long-term? If one extends the supply in the labour market by allowing immigrants, then companies can pick the best candidats for the job. Suffice it to say, I'd rather a qualified Polish plumber than a lazy British plumber (to employ the common stereotype).

I'll skirt around all the other "race" issues involved, and some of the other regrettable and ill-conceived ideas in your policy; but I thought I'd express the clearest of problematic areas voiced in your proposals.

With love,

Melancholy
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Clearly, with the BNP having made gains in the European and County Council Elections (EU results still pending, with the BNP currently having gained one seat), there is reason to believe that a significant portion of the electorate, roughly around 10%, supports the party actively. Therefore there is no reason why a BNP party should be prevented from trying to form on TSR, provided the owners of the site are happy with them doing so. The real-life results suggest that there is an impetus for a Nationalist presence on TSR.

As it stands, the Speaker of the House has mentioned his personal dislike for such an occurance, but he had sticked a BNP thread which he was moderating. This thread has been deleted and the moves towards the creation of a TSR BNP having been effectively stopped in their tracks. This is an obvious attempt to circumnavigate the democratic process and frankly, an unacceptable one.

Ultimately then, can the Speaker of the House please account for his undemocratic and arguably fascist actions, or concede to our demands, and recreate the official TSR BNP thread, whose eventual objective will be to aid in the creation of an official TSR BNP or TSR Nationalist Party.
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Its very annoying all these "stop BNP" stuff. Democracy is let every one have a chance... goes to show from the results BNP isnt as hated as every one makes out, just all these people are forced not to voice their opinions in fear of been oppressed by others
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We're about to have an election for a new speaker, so it might be a bit difficult at the moment.

All you'll need is 10 people to PM the new speaker and you can have your bloody party.
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Its very annoying all these "stop BNP" stuff. Democracy is let every one have a chance... goes to show from the results BNP isnt as hated as every one makes out, just all these people are forced not to voice their opinions in fear of been oppressed by others
To be fair, this is from what's sure to be an astonishingly low turnout.

I'd estimate the BNP's "true" support to be significantly lower than the 7.9% it's got so far in this round of elections.
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ermmmm......**** off, you haven't even got you're facts right
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You wern't stoped. If you can get 10 people to PM Dan he can start the process. Its the same for any party.
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(Original post by AirRaven)
To be fair, this is from what's sure to be an astonishingly low turnout.

I'd estimate the BNP's "true" support to be significantly lower than the 7.9% it's got so far in this round of elections.
Humm yea but it really gets on ma nerves when im walking down the street and every 2 seconds i get "stop the BNP"...

i just rant cos a democracy you pick your leaders, so if people want them in power they vote, if not they dont and they wont be in power.. if u go around saying who can be voted for and who cant be, then well that aint a democracy
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ermmmm......**** off, you haven't even got you're facts right
And you can't even spell "your".
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am i allowed to join? im a [email protected]
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And you can't even spell "your".
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