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is there such thing as overtraining?

john !!

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I once heard someone say "there's no such thing as overtraining, just under-eating"

Do you agree or not?

Reply 1

erk

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Disagree. But on a whole, alot of people who complain about overtraining have **** diets.

Your CNS gets ****ed, it needs to recover, end of.

Reply 2

john !!

OP

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how does it get ****ed? as in you're telling it to move a muscle that can't move anymore (if you work to faliure), and because the muscle can't move it does some damage?

Reply 3

Vixen

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mik1w

I once heard someone say "there's no such thing as overtraining, just under-eating"

Do you agree or not?

No, there is totally such a thing as overtraining!

Reply 4

john !!

OP

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What do you mean?
I read about somebody that left a week gap, then spent a whole day training biceps, like 30 sets spread over the day, all to faliure. He said from the morning to night his arms went down half an inch, and within a week they'd gone up 1.5 inches...

If that's not overtraining I don't know what is.

Reply 5

erk

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http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-cns-overtraining.asp

Trust me, do squats M/T/W/T/F, and you'll overtrain no matter how much you eat. :smile:

Reply 6

john !!

OP

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I suppose overtraining depends on the time period, your example is over a week and mine was over a day.

I guess this is the case because the body might take a few days to rebuild the muscle fibres, rather than a few hours?

Reply 7

erk

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About the guy who apparantly put 1.5" on his bi's over a week; bullshit.

Reply 8

Sam_B

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silly question. of course there is!

Reply 9

Elles

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at the moment I'd fall into the "yes, you can overtrain" camp, it seems a fairly well documented phenomenon, though the mechanisms are largely unknown...

if i get the project I wanted, you'll be able to read my research paper on it in a few months! :marchmell

Reply 10

Mad_Monkey59

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if the damaged muscle isn't healed completely, ie, no hypertrophy just tissue damage... then you don't grow.

CNS concerns mostly with going to failure, failure overloads the CNS, constant overloading results in overtraining, ie, lack of strength, loss of appetite.

the bicep man is an idiot and I would put money on him juicing

Reply 11

rock_tenth

you can say that overtraining is just under-eating and under-sleeping, but a person can only sleep so much, u cant increase your sleep to cope with ANY training load. For a lot of people, werd, their diets and rest are **** so by improving those factors they could cease to overtrain . You cant keep improving them indefinately though; overtraining is freal, yo

Reply 12

Mad_Monkey59

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erk

About the guy who apparantly put 1.5" on his bi's over a week; bullshit.

over a week!!!

seconded

Reply 13

Inverurie Jones

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mik1w

I once heard someone say "there's no such thing as overtraining, just under-eating"

Do you agree or not?

If something snaps, you've done too much.

Reply 14

Elles

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ho hum.. medic v. layman divide? :confused:

to me, overtraining syndrome is associated with a depressed immune system, similar symptoms to chronic fatigue/ME & susceptibility to infection - rather than merely being very hungry.. :wink:

Reply 15

john !!

OP

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I've heard that before actually but never really been sure why weightlifting should affect the immune system.

Reply 16

Elles

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mik1w

I've heard that before actually but never really been sure why weightlifting should affect the immune system.

well, you'd definitely need to read my research paper then.. :p:

the mechanism is largely unknown basically.. & weightlifting seems to show less of the 'overtrain syndrome' than more intense aerobic/anaerobic sports e.g. marathon running is the classic.

but generally - some exercise seems to be good for your immune system & too much exercise seems to be bad.. an interesting state of affairs from an academic perspective! *geek* & the reason why proper rest periods are essential - any decent regime will have a rest day scheduled in..

Reply 17

RetiredAccount89

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Elles

well, you'd definitely need to read my research paper then.. :p:

the mechanism is largely unknown basically.. & weightlifting seems to show less of the 'overtrain syndrome' than more intense aerobic/anaerobic sports e.g. marathon running is the classic.

but generally - some exercise seems to be good for your immune system & too much exercise seems to be bad.. an interesting state of affairs from an academic perspective! *geek* & the reason why proper rest periods are essential - any decent regime will have a rest day scheduled in..

How about the acidosis of exercise makes the immune cells less efficient/damamges them?

Reply 18

Elles

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foolfarian

How about the acidosis of exercise makes the immune cells less efficient/damamges them?

well the most recent papers I've seen are more specific metabolite focussed (glutamine) than acidosis in general - but seems a reasonable hypothesis..more reading definitely needed when I get a chance. :smile:

Reply 19

Everdawn

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mik1w

I once heard someone say "there's no such thing as overtraining, just under-eating"

Do you agree or not?

yep, its called burn out

is there such thing as overtraining?

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