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    But no one told what the punishment was? What is the punishment for fornication? Your not answering my question. Does anyone here know the answer to my question?
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    Please don't go off topic, I am trying to learn more about my religion, and sorry I acknowledge everything thats been said so far, but please could someone tell me what the punishment for fornication is.
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    viper i did post:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...&postcount=246
    but maybe others can clarify for you?
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    oooh, punishment for fornication. Okay, first of all, whatever the punishment for muslims is, the same applies to non-muslims. I mean, its stupid to think that God would punish the same action differently just because of diff religion.
    So, i am unsure about the punishment for fornication. I think it might well be damnation. but maybe someone else could clarify. if i am wrong, the punishment will still be a damning one!
    but yeah, it isnt the punishment that is important. I hate it when people do things out of fear (not saying you are). i.e. dont fornicate because you understand and accept the teachings on them - that it is a sacred bond that should not be taken for granted and only done after marriage.

    However i have often thought that maybe sex in engagement is permitted with the right intentions....I mean sure, nikkah hasnt yet been performed, but in my opinion getting engaged is like being married. and if a relationship ends before the wedding, it is basically divorce. but thats only my opinion....
    damnation? is this a one punishment fits all scenario? say a couple who are commited to each other would be punished in the same way as one person who sleeps with as many people as possible,

    personally i agree with errrrrrrrr zuber i think it was who said that it is all about intentions ie i dont personally think one night stands are a bad thing if both parties are happy with it, although waiting till u r married is a great sign of commitment and patience so again its what people feel comfortable with i feel is right 4 them as long as they dont hurt other people
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    (Original post by Viper)
    Please don't go off topic, I am trying to learn more about my religion, and sorry I acknowledge everything thats been said so far, but please could someone tell me what the punishment for fornication is.
    Slmz

    okay, i have to look this up but ill find sum sources etc and let u know for defs laters,okey
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    Slmz

    Zuber...this is for u on wat we was tlkin bout yday, hope u find it useful :



    Engagement according to sharee’ah
    4/12/2004 6:54:00 AM GMT

    What is the concept of engagement in Islam? Usually an engagement party is one in which the fiance/fiancee exchange rings. Is this the prescribed method in the shariah?.


    Answer :

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Engagement according to sharee’ah means that the man asks the woman to marry him. The view of the scholars is that engagement is prescribed for one who wants to get married. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And there is no sin on you if you make a hint of betrothal…”

    [al-Baqarah 2:235]

    and it was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) got engaged to ‘Aa’ishah. (Al-Bukhaari, al-Nikaah, 4793). And in al-Saheeh it also states that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) got engaged to Hafsah. (Al-Bukhaari, al-Nikaah, 4830).

    The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) encouraged the one who wants to get engaged to look at the woman to whom he wishes to propose. According to the hadeeth, “When any one of you proposes marriage to a woman, if he can look at that which will encourage him to go ahead and marry her, then let him do so.” (Abu Dawood, al-Nikaah, 2082; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 1832).

    But in Islamic sharee’ah there are no specific practices that must be followed with regard to engagement. What some Muslims do, announcing the engagement, having a party to celebrate and exchanging gifts, all comes under the heading of customs which are permissible in principle, and none of them are haraam except those which sharee’ah indicates are haraam – which includes the exchange of rings between the engaged couple, a custom which is known in Arabic as “dublah.” This custom goes against sharee’ah for the following reasons:

    1 – Some people think that these rings increase the love between the spouses and have an effect on their relationship. This is an ignorant (jaahili) belief and is an attachment to something for which there is no basis in sharee’ah and which does not make sense.

    2 – This custom involves imitating the non-Muslims such as Christians and others. It is not a Muslim custom at all. The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned us against that when he said, “You will inevitably follow the paths of those who came before you, handspan by handspan, cubit by cubit, until even if they entered the hole of a lizard, you will follow them.” We said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-I’tisaam bi’l-Kitaab wa’l-Sunnah, 6889; Muslim, al-‘Ilm, 6723).

    And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, al-Libaas, 4031; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3401).

    3 – This engagement usually takes place before the ‘aqd (marriage contract), in which case it is not permissible for the man to put the ring on his fiancée’s hand himself, because she is still a stranger (non-mahram) to him, and has not yet become his wife.

    Finally, we will quote the words of Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) on this matter:

    “ ‘Dublah’ is a word that refers to the engagement ring. In principle there is nothing wrong with rings (i.e., they are permissible), unless they are accompanied by certain beliefs, as some people do when the man writes his name on the ring that he gives to his fiancée, and the woman writes her name on the ring that she gives to her fiancé, believing that this will guarantee the bonds between the spouses. In this case this ‘dublah’ or engagement ring is haraam, because it represents an attachment to something for which there is no basis in sharee’ah and which does not make sense. Similarly it is not permissible for the man to put the ring on the woman’s hand himself, because she is not yet his wife, so she is still a stranger (i.e., non-mahram) to him; she is not his wife until after the marriage contract is done.”
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    thanks zaak! very interesting... will try and comment on it later
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    also maybe people would be interested to give their viewpoint on this:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/t123161.html
    (does islam oppress women)
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    (Original post by bengal_tiger)
    damnation? is this a one punishment fits all scenario? say a couple who are commited to each other would be punished in the same way as one person who sleeps with as many people as possible,

    personally i agree with errrrrrrrr zuber i think it was who said that it is all about intentions ie i dont personally think one night stands are a bad thing if both parties are happy with it, although waiting till u r married is a great sign of commitment and patience so again its what people feel comfortable with i feel is right 4 them as long as they dont hurt other people
    bengal_tiger - you are right in saying that it shouldnt be a one punishment fits all, but unfortunately, there are too many scenarios to cover, and so a general rule is made.
    and yes it is about good intentions, but i still don't agree with one night stands, even if the other party agrees. to me it still is one night of sex and thats it, which seems to degrade sex (IMO). i have heard a lot of people saying that they wished they waited longer before losing their virginity. seems odd that those were mostly girls....lol
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    (Original post by bengal_tiger)
    damnation? is this a one punishment fits all scenario? say a couple who are commited to each other would be punished in the same way as one person who sleeps with as many people as possible,

    personally i agree with errrrrrrrr zuber i think it was who said that it is all about intentions ie i dont personally think one night stands are a bad thing if both parties are happy with it, although waiting till u r married is a great sign of commitment and patience so again its what people feel comfortable with i feel is right 4 them as long as they dont hurt other people

    yup....but at the end of the day u cannot assume whos goonna get wat punishment in the hereafter, its up to Allah the Allmighty, but we r given guidence as to wat to avoid so best stick to it, rite?

    One nite stands etc usually lead to regret so is it best not to wait tilll ur married?if u wait until marriage at least noone gets hurt.
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    (Original post by zaaks786)
    Slmz

    okay, i have to look this up but ill find sum sources etc and let u know for defs laters,okey
    Finally thanks zaaks, I know Zuber you gave me an answer and thankyou very much for that but it wasn't exactly the sort of answer i was looking for. I just want to know what the punishment for fornication is in Islam?
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    well we have not yer performed any ritual, so i guess that once we do we can have sex???
    and i have always wanted to ask about TALAQ, do you guys agree with the situation that when a man says this thrice then we as the wife are damned.
    my problem is that maybe we might get into a hot argument them...then you know the words come out...surely should this seal my fate? can we just ignore that he did not say them? ok i know that we cannot because we wil be overwhelmed my guilt, so i ask do you men find this proper, and is there any way that this law can be ammended? i guess that the answer is no right??
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    oh yes and also about the fornication issue i have something to say, yes one shall be punished for fornication in whatever religion you come from. but we must also not forget that there is forgiveness once you repent and you are sorry,
    but surely look at the world today, everyone fornicates and it is not like they are sorry about it!!! does this mean that we as a generation are doomed...people get born and find others doing ot and the process goes on....so are we doomed because iam sure that one of us or many of us have and it is not like we want to stop????
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    (Original post by mkenani)
    oh yes and also about the fornication issue i have something to say, yes one shall be punished for fornication in whatever religion you come from. but we must also not forget that there is forgiveness once you repent and you are sorry,
    but surely look at the world today, everyone fornicates and it is not like they are sorry about it!!! does this mean that we as a generation are doomed...people get born and find others doing ot and the process goes on....so are we doomed because iam sure that one of us or many of us have and it is not like we want to stop????

    um, but if you know somethings not right...ull try ur best to avoid it, rite?

    Yes repentance is the key if u hve done things wrong,but remember if u repent it should be sincere repentance as in...u really want to be forgiven and u will not let urself do that again.

    and if uve been doing something wrong and then then u find out tht u shudnt be doing it...like fornication, u shud be able to stop or u shud pray and try your best to, because u know the consequences of ur actions and u are not blind to the truth anymore.
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    Ok, by fornication does it mean any form of sexual activity amongst people who are not married'?
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    (Original post by mkenani)
    well we have not yer performed any ritual, so i guess that once we do we can have sex???
    and i have always wanted to ask about TALAQ, do you guys agree with the situation that when a man says this thrice then we as the wife are damned.
    my problem is that maybe we might get into a hot argument them...then you know the words come out...surely should this seal my fate? can we just ignore that he did not say them? ok i know that we cannot because we wil be overwhelmed my guilt, so i ask do you men find this proper, and is there any way that this law can be ammended? i guess that the answer is no right??
    I'm sure Allah knows what your true intentions are, best thing to do is seek foriveness for your foolishness (it is foolish to say something out of pure emotion at the time as everyone knows more likely than not, you'll regret it)
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    (Original post by Viper)
    I'm sure Allah knows what your true intentions are, best thing to do is seek foriveness for your foolishness (it is foolish to say something out of pure emotion at the time as everyone knows more likely than not, you'll regret it)
    Not to say that its happened to you but just in case it does.
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    mr viper i think that was very rude of you, i speak as a generation and as for me iam not in that class, iam already engaged and believe me i know what is expected of me............so dont to me like that again.
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    yes Zaaks i agree with you, but this is my question how are we to save our children and our childrens children from this? i see my relatives that are not virgins at the age of 14, well who are to blame? them or us? and yes everyone is judged accordingly....but is it their fault really??/ thats what iam wondering
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    (Original post by Viper)
    Finally thanks zaaks, I know Zuber you gave me an answer and thankyou very much for that but it wasn't exactly the sort of answer i was looking for. I just want to know what the punishment for fornication is in Islam?
    Right Viper...i finally got sum answers!

    Surat An Nur Verse 2 says

    'The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, ina punishment prescribed by Allah,if you beleive in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the beleivers witness their punishment.[This is punishment is for the unmarried persons guilty of the above crime(illegal sex), but if the married persons commit it(illegal sex) the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's law]

    Surat An Nur Verse 19 says:
    'Verily, those who like that(the crime of) illegal sexual intercourse should be propagated amongst those who beleive, they will have a painful torment in this world and in the Hereafter. And Allah knows and you know not'

    and Surat An-Nisa Verse 16 says:

    'And the two persons(man and woman) among you who commit illegal sexual intercourse, hurt them both. And if they repent(promise Allah they will never repeat i.e commit illegal intercourse and other sins) and do righteous good deeds, leave them alone. Surely Allah is Ever All-Forgiving(the one who forgives and accepts repentance), (and He is) Most Merciful'

    hope tht helps
 
 
 
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