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We recieved our KS2 Sat results back today! Results are unbelievable...

....we had 100% level 4 or above.. I'm not bragging more stunned... I taught the children last
year.. many of the children were ex stage 2 special needs register. a couple of them were
statemented. last year one of them could not cope with number bonds 1 - 20 now gets level 4
easily... whats going on....

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[q1]> Results are unbelievable... whats going on....[/q1]
Same here........One of our boys.........well, if I was his mother, I would make sure that he avoids
getting close to any transplant surgeons......got a level 5. Our school usually gets about 6 level 5
out of 40 in English......went up to 19. Out of the rest, we only got three level 3.

This has got to be a stitch up......when will the press get this?
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In article <[email protected] .com>, "Terry" <[email protected]> writes:

[q1]>We recieved our KS2 Sat results back today! Results are unbelievable...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>....we had 100% level 4 or above.. I'm not bragging more stunned... I taught the children last[/q1]
[q1]>year.. many of the children were ex stage 2 special needs register. a couple of them were[/q1]
[q1]>statemented. last year one of them could not cope with number bonds 1 - 20 now gets level 4[/q1]
[q1]>easily... whats going on....[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]

2002 is going on. Government obviously has massaged someone's figures to show what it wants to show
- that its vaunted directives are "working."

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[q1]>In article <[email protected] .com>, "Terry" <[email protected]> writes:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]>>We recieved our KS2 Sat results back today! Results are unbelievable...[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>....we had 100% level 4 or above.. I'm not bragging more stunned... I taught the children last[/q2]
[q2]>>year.. many of the children were ex stage 2 special needs register. a couple of them were[/q2]
[q2]>>statemented. last year one of them could not cope with number bonds 1 - 20 now gets level 4[/q2]
[q2]>>easily... whats going on....[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>2002 is going on. Government obviously has massaged someone's figures to show what it wants to show[/q1]
[q1]>- that its vaunted directives are "working."[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>----------------------------------------------------[/q1]
[q1]>Sandi[/q1]
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But standards are not falling and the tests are just as hard now as they were before etc

GCSEs are as hard as the old O levels ---- etc

As if anyone believes all this......just compare a GCSE paper with an old O level paper any day.
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On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:52:17 +0100, Angua wrote:

[q1]> In message <[email protected] b-dd.aol.com>, SLieber24[/q1]
[q1]> <[email protected]> writes[/q1]
[q2]>>In article <[email protected] .com>, "Terry" <[email protected]> writes:[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q3]>>>We recieved our KS2 Sat results back today! Results are unbelievable...[/q3]
[q3]>>>[/q3]
[q3]>>>....we had 100% level 4 or above.. I'm not bragging more stunned... I taught the children last[/q3]
[q3]>>>year.. many of the children were ex stage 2 special needs register. a couple of them were[/q3]
[q3]>>>statemented. last year one of them could not cope with number bonds 1 - 20 now gets level 4[/q3]
[q3]>>>easily... whats going on....[/q3]
[q3]>>>[/q3]
[q3]>>>[/q3]
[q2]>>2002 is going on. Government obviously has massaged someone's figures to show what it wants to[/q2]
[q2]>>show - that its vaunted directives are "working."[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>---------------------------------------------------- Sandi[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>Remove NoSpam to reply.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> But standards are not falling and the tests are just as hard now as they were before etc[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> GCSEs are as hard as the old O levels ---- etc[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> As if anyone believes all this......just compare a GCSE paper with an old O level paper any day.[/q1]

Yeah, let;s give the old GCSEers of 25 years ago an IT paper ;-)

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No English back yet, anyone else in Essex area late?

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[q1]> On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:52:17 +0100, Angua wrote:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> > In message <[email protected] b-dd.aol.com>, SLieber24 <[email protected]>[/q2]
[q2]> > writes[/q2]
[q2]> >>In article <[email protected] .com>, "Terry" <[email protected]> writes:[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>>We recieved our KS2 Sat results back today! Results are unbelievable...[/q2]
[q2]> >>>[/q2]
[q2]> >>>....we had 100% level 4 or above.. I'm not bragging more stunned... I taught the children last[/q2]
[q2]> >>>year.. many of the children were ex stage 2 special needs register. a couple of them were[/q2]
[q2]> >>>statemented. last year one of them could not cope with number bonds 1 - 20 now gets level 4[/q2]
[q2]> >>>easily... whats going on....[/q2]
[q2]> >>>[/q2]
[q2]> >>>[/q2]
[q2]> >>2002 is going on. Government obviously has massaged someone's figures to show what it wants to[/q2]
[q2]> >>show - that its vaunted directives are "working."[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>---------------------------------------------------- Sandi[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>Remove NoSpam to reply.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > But standards are not falling and the tests are just as hard now as they were before etc[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > GCSEs are as hard as the old O levels ---- etc[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > As if anyone believes all this......just compare a GCSE paper with an old O level paper any day.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Yeah, let;s give the old GCSEers of 25 years ago an IT paper ;-)[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Regards,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
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On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:27:24 +0100, Sarah wrote:

[q1]> No English back yet, anyone else in Essex area late?[/q1]

I know at least two heads who have sent them back to be checked because the marking was all over the
place. Bottom set children doing a lot better than top etc. Non-representative sample but
interesting.

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[q1]> Sarah Ian <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q1]
[q1]> newsan.2002.07.05.11.19.40.968615.14 [email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]>> On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:52:17 +0100, Angua wrote:[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> > In message <[email protected] b-dd.aol.com>, SLieber24 <[email protected]>[/q2]
[q2]>> > writes[/q2]
[q2]>> >>In article <[email protected] .com>, "Terry" <[email protected]> writes:[/q2]
[q2]>> >>[/q2]
[q2]>> >>>We recieved our KS2 Sat results back today! Results are unbelievable...[/q2]
[q2]>> >>>[/q2]
[q2]>> >>>....we had 100% level 4 or above.. I'm not bragging more stunned... I taught the children last[/q2]
[q2]>> >>>year.. many of the children were ex stage 2 special needs register. a couple of them were[/q2]
[q2]>> >>>statemented. last year one of them could not cope with number bonds 1 - 20 now gets level 4[/q2]
[q2]>> >>>easily... whats going on....[/q2]
[q2]>> >>>[/q2]
[q2]>> >>>[/q2]
[q2]>> >>2002 is going on. Government obviously has massaged someone's figures to show what it wants to[/q2]
[q2]>> >>show - that its vaunted directives are "working."[/q2]
[q2]>> >>[/q2]
[q2]>> >>---------------------------------------------------- Sandi[/q2]
[q2]>> >>[/q2]
[q2]>> >>Remove NoSpam to reply.[/q2]
[q2]>> >[/q2]
[q2]>> >[/q2]
[q2]>> > But standards are not falling and the tests are just as hard now as they were before etc[/q2]
[q2]>> >[/q2]
[q2]>> > GCSEs are as hard as the old O levels ---- etc[/q2]
[q2]>> >[/q2]
[q2]>> > As if anyone believes all this......just compare a GCSE paper with an old O level paper[/q2]
[q2]>> > any day.[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Yeah, let;s give the old GCSEers of 25 years ago an IT paper ;-)[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Regards,[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> --[/q2]
[q2]>> IanL[/q2]
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[q1]>On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:52:17 +0100, Angua wrote:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> But standards are not falling and the tests are just as hard now as they were before etc[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> GCSEs are as hard as the old O levels ---- etc[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> As if anyone believes all this......just compare a GCSE paper with an old O level paper any day.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Yeah, let;s give the old GCSEers of 25 years ago an IT paper ;-)[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Regards,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]

Go on then - give me one. I did my O levels in 1979, so I should qualify.

Never did much IT at school but am self-taught and have taught ICT to GCSE level.

My dad who never did any exams could also pass today's ICT exams at GCSE and probably knows a lot
more than most kids of today.
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[q1]>hard to believe that only 25 years ago, not everyone had a car or a telephone - let alone both.[/q1]
[q1]>video machines were yet to be invented too.[/q1]

Not completely true, Paul. I know I'm showing my age, but we had a reel-to-reel video recorder in
school 28 years ago. They were invented a few years before that!
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[q1]> In message <pan.2002.07.05.11.19.40.968615. [email protected]>, Ian <[email protected]> writes[/q1]
[q2]>>On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:52:17 +0100, Angua wrote:[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q3]>>> But standards are not falling and the tests are just as hard now as they were before etc[/q3]
[q3]>>>[/q3]
[q3]>>> GCSEs are as hard as the old O levels ---- etc[/q3]
[q3]>>>[/q3]
[q3]>>> As if anyone believes all this......just compare a GCSE paper with an old O level paper any day.[/q3]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>Yeah, let;s give the old GCSEers of 25 years ago an IT paper ;-)[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>Regards,[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q1]> Go on then - give me one.[/q1]

I do have my standards ;-)

[q1]> I did my O levels in 1979, so I should qualify.[/q1]

I did mine in 1971 so I must be even cleverer than you.

[q1]> Never did much IT at school but am self-taught and have taught ICT to GCSE level.[/q1]

Neither did I and I now do ICT consultancy for LEAs and large companies among other things. So what?
Or are you saying GCSE is so easy even you can manage it ;-)

[q1]> My dad who never did any exams could also pass today's ICT exams at GCSE and probably knows a lot[/q1]
[q1]> more than most kids of today.[/q1]

And my dad knows a lot more more than kids to-day - he's had about 70 years more time to gain the
knowledge.

And of course you and your dad are a representative sample of the population. Maybe I should get you
a stats paper ;-)

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and my dads bigger than your dad, so there!

c'mon folks, lighten up a bit - it says 'uk.education.teachers' ... not
'uk.education.kindergarten.pupil s' ... :-)

and just for the record, I don't think that there were actually any "old GCSEers of 25 years ago"
because gcse's (along with the infernal combustion engine and fire) simply hadn't been invented
then. I seem to recall that the cse followed the gce first and only after that did the gcse follow.
However, I feel certain that if I'm wrong, someone in this thread will let me know.

hard to believe that only 25 years ago, not everyone had a car or a telephone - let alone both.
video machines were yet to be invented too. Yet we all use these things today as if they had been
around forever. There are even some people over the age of 30 who have managed to grasp the
rudiments of using a telephone and driving a car ... so is it really beyond them to grasp a little
knowledge of ICT? I do hope not. (However, I wont suggest that everyone over a certain age can use a
video machine coz that would be pushing my argument a bit to far, methinks)

Paul Harling BSc (IT - mainly A.I.) DipIT (university diploma) HNC (Electronics/computing) WRONG
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[q1]:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)[/q1]

PSJust out of curiosity, I wonder how the youngsters of today would cope with having to spend
several years learning to use log tables simply before they could do a sum (e.g. sin,cos,tan) that
they take for granted with these new-fangled devices called ... err, calculators. Eeeh, if only we
had had those things. Ah well, gotta go and lie down now. Its time for my afternoon nap. Can't
last all day at my age.

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[q1]> On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:27:16 +0100, Angua wrote:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> > In message <pan.2002.07.05.11.19.40.968615. [email protected]>, Ian <[email protected]> writes[/q2]
[q2]> >>On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:52:17 +0100, Angua wrote:[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>> But standards are not falling and the tests are just as hard now as they were before etc[/q2]
[q2]> >>>[/q2]
[q2]> >>> GCSEs are as hard as the old O levels ---- etc[/q2]
[q2]> >>>[/q2]
[q2]> >>> As if anyone believes all this......just compare a GCSE paper with an old O level paper any[/q2]
[q2]> >>> day.[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>Yeah, let;s give the old GCSEers of 25 years ago an IT paper ;-)[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>Regards,[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> > Go on then - give me one.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> I do have my standards ;-)[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> > I did my O levels in 1979, so I should qualify.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> I did mine in 1971 so I must be even cleverer than you.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> > Never did much IT at school but am self-taught and have taught ICT to GCSE level.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Neither did I and I now do ICT consultancy for LEAs and large companies among other things. So[/q1]
[q1]> what? Or are you saying GCSE is so easy even you can manage it ;-)[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> > My dad who never did any exams could also pass today's ICT exams at GCSE and probably knows a[/q2]
[q2]> > lot more than most kids of today.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> And my dad knows a lot more more than kids to-day - he's had about 70 years more time to gain the[/q1]
[q1]> knowledge.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> And of course you and your dad are a representative sample of the population. Maybe I should get[/q1]
[q1]> you a stats paper ;-)[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Regards,[/q1]
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[q1]> and my dads bigger than your dad, so there![/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> c'mon folks, lighten up a bit - it says 'uk.education.teachers' ... not[/q1]
[q1]> 'uk.education.kindergarten.pupil s' ... :-)[/q1]

Oh I don't know, the kindergarten pupils these days can be quite sophisticated.

[q1]> and just for the record, I don't think that there were actually any "old GCSEers of 25 years[/q1]
[q1]> ago" because gcse's (along with the infernal combustion engine and fire) simply hadn't been[/q1]
[q1]> invented then.[/q1]

ah yes, typo in haste tipex at leisure ;-)

[q1]> I seem to recall that the cse followed the gce first and only after that did the gcse follow.[/q1]

Brief 16+ exam in the middle.

[q1]> However, I feel certain that if I'm wrong, someone in this thread will let me know.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> hard to believe that only 25 years ago, not everyone had a car or a telephone - let alone both.[/q1]
[q1]> video machines were yet to be invented too. Yet we all use these things today as if they had been[/q1]
[q1]> around forever. There are even some people over the age of 30 who have managed to grasp the[/q1]
[q1]> rudiments of using a telephone and driving a car ... so is it really beyond them to grasp a little[/q1]
[q1]> knowledge of ICT? I do hope not.[/q1]

Snag is they can get slowed down by being taught bad habits from time to time ;-)

[q1]> (However, I wont suggest that everyone over a certain age can use a video machine coz that would[/q1]
[q1]> be pushing my argument a bit to far, methinks)[/q1]

Yes, in my experience when it comes to coping with anything new, its adults who show the least
aptitude. All this preparation for kids to change jobs umpteen times and lifelong learning. Seems
its often fine rhetoric for the adults to say this to the kids as long as they don't have to do it
themselves ;-)

[q1]> Paul Harling BSc (IT - mainly A.I. is there any other type? :-)) DipIT (university diploma) HNC[/q1]
[q1]> (Electronics/computing) WRONG side of 40 - aren't we all depending the perspective.[/q1]
[q1]> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> PSJust out of curiosity, I wonder how the youngsters of today would cope with having to spend[/q1]
[q1]> several years learning to use log tables simply before they could do a sum (e.g. sin,cos,tan)[/q1]
[q1]> that they take for granted with these new-fangled devices called ... err, calculators. Eeeh, if[/q1]
[q1]> only we had had those things. Ah well, gotta go and lie down now. Its time for my afternoon nap.[/q1]
[q1]> Can't last all day at my age.[/q1]

Wot with all that practice? Pass the philosan <sp?> you philistine.

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oops. apologies. I stand corrected (far too often).

I was thinking of domestic video machines available for purchase by the general public - I'd never
heard of reel to reel video. But then, we were poor ... Eee, we were that poor that we had to ...
(stops himself in nick of time).

Now I know why this NG has 'education' in its name - coz every day I learn a little bit
more from it.

[q1]:-)[/q1]

Cheers, Paul

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[q2]> >hard to believe that only 25 years ago, not everyone had a car or a telephone - let alone both.[/q2]
[q2]> >video machines were yet to be invented too.[/q2]
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[q1]> Not completely true, Paul. I know I'm showing my age, but we had a reel-to-reel video recorder in[/q1]
[q1]> school 28 years ago. They were invented a few years before that![/q1]
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[q1]>I was thinking of domestic video machines available for purchase by the general public - I'd never[/q1]
[q1]>heard of reel to reel video.[/q1]

The reel to reel belonged to the LEA but was put in the school to see what use could be made of it.
It was very cumbersome, threading the tape round all the heads in a complicated path and very few
members of staff dared to touch it. We also had the use of a "portable" video camera which was
almost too heavy to carry. The tape only did black and white. However, it was all new technology and
great fun.

In 1974 the school bought one of the early Philips VCRs. It cost about £300 - a lot of money in
those days - and the one hour black and white cassettes cost around £15 each! The convenience of the
cassettes meant that most of the staff were prepared to use it. The cost of the tapes was such that
it was mainly used for time-shifting TV programmes as it was too expensive to store programmes for
future use.

Hey - you've got me going on a nostalgia spree - you'll have me going on about horseless
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[q1]>and my dads bigger than your dad, so there![/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>c'mon folks, lighten up a bit - it says 'uk.education.teachers' ... not[/q1]
[q1]>'uk.education.kindergarten.pupi ls' ... :-)[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>and just for the record, I don't think that there were actually any "old GCSEers of 25 years ago"[/q1]
[q1]>because gcse's (along with the infernal combustion engine and fire) simply hadn't been invented[/q1]
[q1]>then. I seem to recall that the cse followed the gce first and only after that did the gcse follow.[/q1]
[q1]>However, I feel certain that if I'm wrong, someone in this thread will let me know.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]

OK. My oldest son took GCSE the first year it was set. He's just turned 30. You can work it out but
it's certainly not 25 years - and yes, I passed GCE maths!

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As I wrote: "However, I feel certain that if I'm wrong, someone in this thread will let me know."
looks like I've been proved right again :-)

Paul G H

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[q1]> In article <[email protected] al.pipex.com>, Paul H <[email protected]> writes[/q1]
[q2]> >and my dads bigger than your dad, so there![/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >c'mon folks, lighten up a bit - it says 'uk.education.teachers' ... not[/q2]
[q2]> >'uk.education.kindergarten.pupi ls' ... :-)[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >and just for the record, I don't think that there were actually any "old GCSEers of 25 years ago"[/q2]
[q2]> >because gcse's (along with the infernal[/q2]
combustion
[q2]> >engine and fire) simply hadn't been invented then. I seem to recall that the cse followed the gce[/q2]
[q2]> >first and only after that did the gcse follow. However, I feel certain that if I'm wrong, someone[/q2]
[q2]> >in this thread will[/q2]
let
[q2]> >me know.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> OK. My oldest son took GCSE the first year it was set. He's just turned 30. You can work it out[/q1]
[q1]> but it's certainly not 25 years - and yes, I passed GCE maths![/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
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