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Javier Traver
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Hello,

I can't remember if "help" was one those verbs ('hate', 'like', 'prefer',...) which, when followed
by a verb, this verb should be in its -ing form.

On the other hand, I remember another rule saying that some verbs (let, allow, make,...) when
followed by a verb in infinitive, this verb should not have the "to" particle. What I do not
remember is whether 'help' was or not one of such verb.

The question is that I don't know which is the right construction and which of these two grammar
rules should be applied here:

- Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSING these parametes...

or

- Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSE these parameters...

Which one is ok?

Thank-you,

Javier
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Cybercypher
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Javier Traver <[email protected]> burbled news:[email protected]:

[q1]> Hello,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> I can't remember if "help" was one those verbs ('hate', 'like', 'prefer',...) which, when followed[/q1]
[q1]> by a verb, this verb should be in its -ing form.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> On the other hand, I remember another rule saying that some verbs (let, allow, make,...) when[/q1]
[q1]> followed by a verb in infinitive, this verb should not have the "to" particle. What I do not[/q1]
[q1]> remember is whether 'help' was or not one of such verb.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The question is that I don't know which is the right construction and which of these two grammar[/q1]
[q1]> rules should be applied here:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSING these parametes...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> or[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSE these parameters...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Which one is ok?[/q1]

The "help choose" option is correct and the other is incorrect.

--
Franke: "There are no great religions, only great myths and great mistakes." Bodhisattva F. A.
Tchirl. Grammar 1: Internalized rules for the spoken language. Grammar 2: Formal rules for the
written language. Grammar 1 does not equal Grammar 2.
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M_rudky
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I think the sencond one is OK, except

"....that HELP CHOOSE these parameters" should change to ".......that HELPs CHOOSE these parameters"

Javier Traver <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
[q1]> Hello,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> I can't remember if "help" was one those verbs ('hate', 'like', 'prefer',...) which, when followed[/q1]
[q1]> by a verb, this verb should be in its -ing form.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> On the other hand, I remember another rule saying that some verbs (let, allow, make,...) when[/q1]
[q1]> followed by a verb in infinitive, this verb should not have the "to" particle. What I do not[/q1]
[q1]> remember is whether 'help' was or not one of such verb.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The question is that I don't know which is the right construction and which of these two grammar[/q1]
[q1]> rules should be applied here:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSING these parametes...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> or[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSE these parameters...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Which one is ok?[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Thank-you,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Javier[/q1]
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M_rudky
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As I know, There is only structure that the verb " help" is followed by V+ING.

That is: Could/Can not help V+ing

But it does not means " do somebody a favour". In this case, It means " can't stand to stop doing
something".

Hopefully my explaination is correct.

Regards, Rudky

Javier Traver <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
[q1]> Hello,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> I can't remember if "help" was one those verbs ('hate', 'like', 'prefer',...) which, when followed[/q1]
[q1]> by a verb, this verb should be in its -ing form.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> On the other hand, I remember another rule saying that some verbs (let, allow, make,...) when[/q1]
[q1]> followed by a verb in infinitive, this verb should not have the "to" particle. What I do not[/q1]
[q1]> remember is whether 'help' was or not one of such verb.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The question is that I don't know which is the right construction and which of these two grammar[/q1]
[q1]> rules should be applied here:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSING these parametes...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> or[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSE these parameters...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Which one is ok?[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Thank-you,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Javier[/q1]
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M_rudky
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"Help" is often followed by the simple form, but can be followed by the infinitive in some cases. It
means "assist"

subject + help + complement + verb in simple form/ verb in infinitive

However, there is the other structure where the verb "help" is followed by V+ing.

That is:

Subject + Could/Can not help doing something.

It means: subject can't bear to stop doing something.

Hopefully, My explanation above is right.

Regards,

Rudky

Javier Traver <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
[q1]> Hello,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> I can't remember if "help" was one those verbs ('hate', 'like', 'prefer',...) which, when followed[/q1]
[q1]> by a verb, this verb should be in its -ing form.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> On the other hand, I remember another rule saying that some verbs (let, allow, make,...) when[/q1]
[q1]> followed by a verb in infinitive, this verb should not have the "to" particle. What I do not[/q1]
[q1]> remember is whether 'help' was or not one of such verb.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The question is that I don't know which is the right construction and which of these two grammar[/q1]
[q1]> rules should be applied here:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSING these parametes...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> or[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSE these parameters...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Which one is ok?[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Thank-you,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Javier[/q1]
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Einde O'Callagh
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M_RUDKY wrote:
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> I think the sencond one is OK, except[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> "....that HELP CHOOSE these parameters" should change to ".......that HELPs CHOOSE these[/q1]
[q1]> parameters"[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
The word "criteria" is plural (the singular is "criterion") so "help" is correct.

Regards, Einde O'Callaghan

[q1]> Javier Traver <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..[/q1]
[q2]> > Hello,[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > I can't remember if "help" was one those verbs ('hate', 'like', 'prefer',...) which, when[/q2]
[q2]> > followed by a verb, this verb should be in its -ing form.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > On the other hand, I remember another rule saying that some verbs (let, allow, make,...) when[/q2]
[q2]> > followed by a verb in infinitive, this verb should not have the "to" particle. What I do not[/q2]
[q2]> > remember is whether 'help' was or not one of such verb.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > The question is that I don't know which is the right construction and which of these two grammar[/q2]
[q2]> > rules should be applied here:[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSING these parametes...[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > or[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSE these parameters...[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Which one is ok?[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Thank-you,[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Javier[/q2]
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Einde O'Callagh
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M_RUDKY wrote:
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> "Help" is often followed by the simple form, but can be followed by the infinitive in some cases.[/q1]
[q1]> It means "assist"[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> subject + help + complement + verb in simple form/ verb in infinitive[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> However, there is the other structure where the verb "help" is followed by V+ing.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> That is:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Subject + Could/Can not help doing something.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> It means: subject can't bear to stop doing something.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Hopefully, My explanation above is right.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
Actually it means, more or less, that the subject was forced by outside circumstances to do
something or did something involuntarily, perhaps due to carelessness.

Regards, Einde O'Callaghan
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Britt Nolan
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M_RUDKY wrote:

[q1]> "Help" is often followed by the simple form, but can be followed by the infinitive in some cases.[/q1]
[q1]> It means "assist"[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> subject + help + complement + verb in simple form/ verb in infinitive[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> However, there is the other structure where the verb "help" is followed by V+ing.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> That is:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Subject + Could/Can not help doing something.[/q1]

I'm not sure if it's clear enough here that Rudky is talking about a different meaning of the word
help than was originally discussed. "Can't help" is not being used here to mean "is unable to
assist". In this case, the phrase "can't help" is used to mean "can't control oneself". Example. I
am pushed by a person bigger than myself. "I can't help falling over."

[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> It means: subject can't bear to stop doing something.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Hopefully, My explanation above is right.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Regards,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Rudky[/q1]

[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Javier Traver <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..[/q1]
[q2]> > Hello,[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > I can't remember if "help" was one those verbs ('hate', 'like', 'prefer',...) which, when[/q2]
[q2]> > followed by a verb, this verb should be in its -ing form.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > On the other hand, I remember another rule saying that some verbs (let, allow, make,...) when[/q2]
[q2]> > followed by a verb in infinitive, this verb should not have the "to" particle. What I do not[/q2]
[q2]> > remember is whether 'help' was or not one of such verb.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > The question is that I don't know which is the right construction and which of these two grammar[/q2]
[q2]> > rules should be applied here:[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSING these parametes...[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > or[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > - Study some design criteria that HELP CHOOSE these parameters...[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Which one is ok?[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Thank-you,[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Javier[/q2]
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