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    Hi, i was just wonderin what everyones views are on the Iraq war situation? I agreed wit the action taken, and still do, and i feel that alot of the population or those who protested last week are jumping to conclusions over the whole situation and not evaluating everything? for example "they havnt found any WMD" is it me or does it not take that amount of intelligence to figure out that the Iraqs are not stupid and goin to leave WMD in a shed where inspectors will find it? it will take time!not several months!!if say a few years down the line and the forces still have not found any WMD's then ok maybe reason to protest!! And on the issue of protestors i was disgusted to see the burning of the British and American flags. One its treason to burn the british flag and 2 America are our closest allies, i would certainly choose them over any european country! I no that they hav their rights to protest but i was in London myself at the time (on a geog conference) and i got the impression that these people from the ages of 4 didnt no what really has been happenin over the last few years (im not sayin i do but i do have an interest in whats happening over the world especially where our armed forces are workin). But then again we live in a democratic country for which people have fought and died for, unlike in some countries such as Iraq where they did not have that privalige! Just a small post lol but just wanted to hear some views from others on the matter to help me make my mind up if we have done the right thing or the bad thing. Another thing, they sed at the protests last week that Bush was the biggest terrorist?when at the same time the streets of Turkey was facing a terrorist attack from those that we are fighting! My point exactly

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    USA doesn't have the right to attack and destroy a country and its population.

    The same goes to U.K. and Spain who supported USA in their actions.
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    The thing that the ignorant anti-war protestors don't realise is that the free speech they use to shout their mouths off is exactly the thing that George Bush has now given to the Iraqi people.

    Imagine the iraqi people tried to protest like that against Saddam. They would've all been gassed.
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    Oh yeah,

    I know someone who has been gassed, ask for JFK at google.
    And then think about the real power.

    You can't still think that they liberated the Iraq people, they are doing what they need for their own benefit. Like when they get rid off U.K.
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    (Original post by Eternal Idol)
    USA doesn't have the right to attack and destroy a country and its population.

    The same goes to U.K. and Spain who supported USA in their actions.
    The USA, Britain and any other country which was involved, DID NOT 'destroy a country and its population'. It liberated Iraq's people from a regime with caused misery to the thousands who live there! If people who were protesting last week went and visited Iraq and spoke to the people there, they would say that they are thank-ful to the americans and british fo finally acting on this oppresive regime and not skirting away from it! Yes, some people in Iraq disagree with the fall of Saadam, but they are in the minority! I am appaled at the british media for publicising the bad times which happened in Iraq, but not the good times, like when the population were out celebrating on the streets when they new they were FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    (Original post by Eternal Idol)
    USA doesn't have the right to attack and destroy a country and its population.

    The same goes to U.K. and Spain who supported USA in their actions.
    In what way did they "destroy its population"?
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    (Original post by Wzz)
    In what way did they "destroy its population"?
    like this: http://www.gavinsblog.com/warphotos.htm
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    (Original post by steve_nels)
    Another thing, they sed at the protests last week that Bush was the biggest terrorist?when at the same time the streets of Turkey was facing a terrorist attack from those that we are fighting! My point exactly

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    They were probably saying that, because Bush's invasion of Iraq was an unprovoked act of aggression and transparent piece of neo-colonialism, designed not to uphold human rights (other than as a corollary), but to give the US control of the region's oil. Maybe there wouldn't have been any terrorist attacks in Turkey if Bush hadn't provoked them by invading a sovereign state with a predominantly Muslim population under shamefully hollow pretexts.

    More generally, The US has been the world's worst terrorist organisation over the last fifty years or so. Direct and indirect US terrorism has cost MILLIONS of lives in Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Grenada, Chile, Cuba, Laos, across Southern Africa, the list goes on. All this has been in pursuit of the control of natural resources, and the suppression of any form of democratic socialism, so as to ensure a clear path to the dominance of 'free markets' by US corporations.

    Perhaps you didn't know that the likes of Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were all originally funded and put in place by the USA. Bin Laden was expected to conduct a terrorist campaign against Russia on behalf of the USA, and Saddam came to power as result of a murderous coup organised by the CIA to re-establish the Anglo-American Oil interest in the region.

    Bush happens to be the visible figurehead of this terrorist organisation, that's why they "sed he was the biggest terrorist".

    I hope these facts help you to form informed opinions on the matter, and to explain why some people may choose to burn US flags.
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    (Original post by DamianHolt)
    They were probably saying that, because Bush's invasion of Iraq was an unprovoked act of aggression and transparent piece of neo-colonialism, designed not to uphold human rights (other than as a corollary), but to give the US control of the region's oil. Maybe there wouldn't have been any terrorist attacks in Turkey if Bush hadn't provoked them by invading a sovereign state with a predominantly Muslim population under shamefully hollow pretexts.

    More generally, The US has been the world's worst terrorist organisation over the last fifty years or so. Direct and indirect US terrorism has cost MILLIONS of lives in Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Grenada, Chile, Cuba, Laos, across Southern Africa, the list goes on. All this has been in pursuit of the control of natural resources, and the suppression of any form of democratic socialism, so as to ensure a clear path to the dominance of 'free markets' by US corporations.

    Perhaps you didn't know that the likes of Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were all originally funded and put in place by the USA. Bin Laden was expected to conduct a terrorist campaign against Russia on behalf of the USA, and Saddam came to power as result of a murderous coup organised by the CIA to re-establish the Anglo-American Oil interest in the region.

    Bush happens to be the visible figurehead of this terrorist organisation, that's why they "sed he was the biggest terrorist".

    I hope these facts help you to form informed opinions on the matter, and to explain why some people may choose to burn US flags.
    When I come across well informed posts of this nature, I feel proud to be British. Fortunately they're fairly relatively common.
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    When I come across well informed posts of this nature, I feel proud to be British. Fortunately they're relatively common, I meant to say.

    That's relative to the discourse one would find in the US.
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    Hi im an iraqi teenager who lives in the uk. I think the greatest thing that ever happined to iraq is when the coalition forces entered the land of iraq this war isnt about nuclear weapons its about liberty do you think that Mr Bush is distroying iraq well i would say that iraq was distroyed already on the hand of saddam who started torturing all the people in the regent and also attacking his neighbours countries like iran and kuwait. he also never hesitated to gass the kurdish children in the north of iraq what the hell is the thing u call peace???? there wasnt no pease before and i think this is the right time for iraqi people to build up their country again and i really think that steve, in the views he gave, got a big mind and also right in every single word he said you dont expect the americans and british forces to find the NW that fast while they never even found saddam hussain yet. i really should say that im so glad that Young Bush is doing what his father couldn't complete even though his dad's policy wasnt good sometimes.I av seen the protesters last week and they where mostly having no idea about what was happining in iraq before the war and also never looked at the children who died and the people who were getting executed evry single day or actually every moment..... or really they should have looked why are we here in their country not in ours... im looking forward to go back to my country the thing that im sure will happin within the next 2 years... i would also like to thank steve for pointing this out...people please start to think sensibly now.
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    Thank you so much. This thread reassures me that I'm not alone in agreeing with the war!
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    (Original post by williams)
    Hi im an iraqi teenager who lives in the uk. I think the greatest thing that ever happined to iraq is when the coalition forces entered the land of iraq this war isnt about nuclear weapons its about liberty do you think that Mr Bush is distroying iraq well i would say that iraq was distroyed already on the hand of saddam who started torturing all the people in the regent and also attacking his neighbours countries like iran and kuwait. he also never hesitated to gass the kurdish children in the north of iraq what the hell is the thing u call peace???? there wasnt no pease before and i think this is the right time for iraqi people to build up their country again and i really think that steve, in the views he gave, got a big mind and also right in every single word he said you dont expect the americans and british forces to find the NW that fast while they never even found saddam hussain yet. i really should say that im so glad that Young Bush is doing what his father couldn't complete even though his dad's policy wasnt good sometimes.I av seen the protesters last week and they where mostly having no idea about what was happining in iraq before the war and also never looked at the children who died and the people who were getting executed evry single day or actually every moment..... or really they should have looked why are we here in their country not in ours... im looking forward to go back to my country the thing that im sure will happin within the next 2 years... i would also like to thank steve for pointing this out...people please start to think sensibly now.
    I was watching a protest in Turkey about stopping terrorism. There was no fog horns, no gimmicks, no political influence, none of the rubbish we see the anti-war protesters in the UK do. The protesters against terrorism did it all in silence, it gives a much stronger message and shows that these people actually care deeply, they have been hurt and understand the world around them. The anti-war protesters in London the other day were just being clowns.

    People who understand what goes on, who have been affected by the problems in this world seem and understand them seem to support the US. Could it be because the US are doing the right thing?
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    Has the US's foreign policy since 911 curbed terrorism?

    I believe that the important point the demonstartion made was that large numbers of people were dis-satisfied with the way Bush and Blair go about their business in foreign countries. I believe we are caught in a vicious cycle, the "war on terror" is a capitualtion to violence, the heavy handed rhetoric of George Vush and the injustices in Guantanomo Bay aliennate more people than they persuade. Its sort of like global social control kill off one sector of the world's population, Islamic terrorists and the problem is solved? Is it, really? Is it honestly that simple...

    Let's have more insight and intelligience in the development of government policy, this isn't the Bible or the Koran things in this world are not as simple as good and bad as Bush and Blair and Osama would have you believe.
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    Also though with all the protests and Anti-Blair/Bush, wouldnt it be wise for the two leaders to publish what they know. I cant help but think that they would go to war over nothing! they must know something? I know that it wouldnt be good idea for them to do so as we have military operations there still, but there needs to be somthing published to rest the minds of those in doubt on wether or not we should have gone to war without jeoperdising (spellin lol) the operations goin on! I think its time we knew the truth (although im still a beleiver in the war). I also dont want people to think that i like war or somethink along those lines. I dont like war at all, civilians and military are killed, and i dont want that at all, especially seeing the photos from the link in previous post, but for what they are fighting for i think is correct. WMD prevention, Iraqi peoples freedom, and a warning to any other countries who are rebuilding/going against regualtions on WMD and evil dictatorships in other regions around the world which will need to be sorted also (tho in my view not just us and the Americans ALL NATIONS!!)
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    Although I agree with the war with Iraq on the grounds that it freed the population there from fear/opression from saddam, I feel that the reasons the US/UK gave for war (WMDs) were silly in the way they were presented. The fact that blair/bush lied to us to "sell" the war is ludicrous, and quite insulting to our collective intelligence. This doesnt, however, change my stance on whether it was right to go to war.

    I feel that, although it is people's rights to protest, the ones organised since we went to war are disgusting. To the troops over in Iraq, still risking their lives against protests such as these must be a horrible blow.
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    (Original post by Dickie)
    Although I agree with the war with Iraq on the grounds that it freed the population there from fear/opression from saddam, I feel that the reasons the US/UK gave for war (WMDs) were silly in the way they were presented. The fact that blair/bush lied to us to "sell" the war is ludicrous, and quite insulting to our collective intelligence. This doesnt, however, change my stance on whether it was right to go to war.

    I feel that, although it is people's rights to protest, the ones organised since we went to war are disgusting. To the troops over in Iraq, still risking their lives against protests such as these must be a horrible blow.
    ah well, it's not the only case (nor the last!) where Politicians have shown such an utter disregard for the 'collective intelligence' of their voters.

    If we break this down into two: academic and practical considerations, then It's only on the latter that the war could possibly be justified. By this I mean, if we *ONLY* focus on end result and ignore absolutely all of the reasons as to why it happened, what the intentions were and the like. On the more 'practical' considerations, it is at best a case of 'wait and see'. When people think of Iraq and all the supression and then sympathise with the plight of its people, they are often overlooking the fact that much of this poverty and deprivation was US induced. One can only, of course, speculate as to what Iraq would have looked like without US involvement, not only of this era but also of when the great dictator was an ally...
 
 
 
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