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Reply 7720
Stratocaster
AAAHHHHH! I've just been there! I'm surprised I didn't see you, there weren't many there. I was sitting middle-leftish in the auditorium with a blue jacket with a grey hood. Next to a girl with long blonde hair?

That's optimistic of you considering how dark it was :wink: I was in the middle of the third row of the back block of seating. There were only two of us in that entire block. Everybody else was this indistinguishable mob in front of us :wink:
Stratocaster

Anyhoo, I thought it was really good too. The girl was brilliant, but I wasn't convinced by the main guy. It was a bit fake, and quite static. Delivery was a bit robotic and the intonation on his lines was the same everytime. There was one bit where he loosened up and did well though.

Yeh, he wasn't great - but it was still fun!
Reply 7721
It could be lupus
Really? I think it makes a greater incentive, as it means that you have to be at the top to gain a first. I know for medicine anyway that that is going to be far from easy. With the way my anatomy is going at the minute I think I would definitely be happy with a 2.1 neither mind a first

You can't really guess how well you're likely to do. A friend of mine was really stressed in first year medicine and thought she was really struggling, and she got a first.
It could be lupus
Really? I think it makes a greater incentive, as it means that you have to be at the top to gain a first. I know for medicine anyway that that is going to be far from easy. With the way my anatomy is going at the minute I think I would definitely be happy with a 2.1 neither mind a first


Yea but on the other hand you might well work your nuts off, be really on top of your game and then still get a 2.1 or 2.2 or whatever because a certain proportion of people just happened to be better than you. It just doesn't seem to justly reward work. I think a class should be a certain standard of achievement, not an indicator of relative ability.
Reply 7723
BigFudamental
Yea but on the other hand you might well work your nuts off, be really on top of your game and then still get a 2.1 or 2.2 or whatever because a certain proportion of people just happened to be better than you. It just doesn't seem to justly reward work. I think a class should be a certain standard of achievement, not an indicator of relative ability.

err.

all of live rewards talent, not work.

deal with it.
michaelyus
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Stratocaster
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I just added you guys on Facebook, in case you're wondering who the random friend request is :wink:
Reply 7725
Chewwy
err.

all of live rewards talent, not work.

deal with it.

Yeh but that's not talent either. Somebody could be extraordinarily talented but have just entered that subject in its most competitive year making him relatively less so (although concretely still highly talented)
BigFudamental
Yea but on the other hand you might well work your nuts off, be really on top of your game and then still get a 2.1 or 2.2 or whatever because a certain proportion of people just happened to be better than you. It just doesn't seem to justly reward work. I think a class should be a certain standard of achievement, not an indicator of relative ability.


Never mind the fact that if you get a 2.1 it might have been possible for you to get a first if you deferred because the upcoming people just happens to have a lower average standard. :rolleyes:
Reply 7727
ukdragon37
Never mind the fact that if you get a 2.1 it might have been possible for you to get a first if you deferred because the upcoming people just happens to have a lower average standard. :rolleyes:

Hah yes, that's what I meant :smile:
Chewwy
err.

all of live rewards talent, not work.

deal with it.


It's not about talent vs work, it's about whether your grade is representative of your ability. You go to uni (in my opinion at least) to become proficient at xyz - whether through talent, work or a combination of the two - not to be better than the guy who sat next to you in lectures.
Craghyrax
You can't really guess how well you're likely to do. A friend of mine was really stressed in first year medicine and thought she was really struggling, and she got a first.

Hmmm, well based on my supervisions I can say I am quite a bit behind on my anatomy. Guess what my Christmas is going to be spent doing :rolleyes: Otherwise the other modules I am having no real bother, so that might drag my grade up, though I do still need to pass my anatomy to get my 2nd MB.

BigFundamental
Yea but on the other hand you might well work your nuts off, be really on top of your game and then still get a 2.1 or 2.2 or whatever because a certain proportion of people just happened to be better than you. It just doesn't seem to justly reward work. I think a class should be a certain standard of achievement, not an indicator of relative ability.

Ahh, but even still the standard of achievement would most likely be set that high that that person would not achieve it. The thing is (swooping generalisation here :p: ) that just about everybody here would most likely get a first at other universities outside of Oxbridge and a few others, so can you give us all firsts? Would kind of take the hand wouldn't it?
Chewwy
err.

all of live rewards talent, not work.

deal with it.


Ah, but you are competing against other Cambridge students, not just the reat of the country. Some people have to get thirds. It may be that at another university I could have scraped a 2:1, especially since the Cambridge Engineering course is one of the hardest in the UK.
It could be lupus



Ahh, but even still the standard of achievement would most likely be set that high that that person would not achieve it. The thing is (swooping generalisation here :p: ) that just about everybody here would most likely get a first at other universities outside of Oxbridge and a few others, so can you give us all firsts? Would kind of take the hand wouldn't it?


It's a valid objection (although I think there are more dossers here than you give credit for) but a lot of other unis don't seem to care and award something like 50% firsts for certain subjects.
BigFudamental
It's a valid objection (although I think there are more dossers here than you give credit for) but a lot of other unis don't seem to care and award something like 50% firsts for certain subjects.

Really? The thing is if Cambridge did do that, it would be all over the media, and would take away the class system meaning of your degree from Cambridge. Employers across the UK, probably even the world, know that Cambridge is much tougher than most unis, and so will take that into consideration when you have your 2.2/2.1 and are applying for a job. The name still does a lot (except for medicine. stupid blocking of university name for F1 jobs :mob: )
Reply 7733
It could be lupus
Hmmm, well based on my supervisions I can say I am quite a bit behind on my anatomy. Guess what my Christmas is going to be spent doing :rolleyes: Otherwise the other modules I am having no real bother, so that might drag my grade up, though I do still need to pass my anatomy to get my 2nd MB.

I remember she did alot of work at the holidays. She had to earn money and study to keep up, so she practically never had holidays :s-smilie: She actually did undergrad medicine at Newhall and graduated summer before I started :pinch: I knew her because she was in my church at home, and she had very little time for social stuff when she was on holiday. She's at Magdalen, Oxford now.
It could be lupus
The name still does a lot (except for medicine. stupid blocking of university name for F1 jobs :mob: )


Yea you want to be developing your MTAS application form BSing skills as much as your medical knowledge :p: . From what I hear though even though it's technically against the rules having a brand uni is still an advantage for medicine, especially if you apply for the deanery that you studied in (I can't remember if you state your university on the form or not, but even if you don't it's pretty easy to include when you describe your ECs and achievements).
Tyrotoxism
i was fraped!

Thought so, bit of a weird thing to post still, even for that purpose.

It could be lupus
Thats fair enough. That means I will hopefully get the work done for next week tomorrow, leaving the rest of the week for partying. You out most nights next week?

I've only got 1.5 assignments left, and should be done by Monday. :woo: Also, I'll be out on Tuesday. :smile:

ukebert
I lasted 2 minutes. I think that's impressive :yes:

That could be horribly misquoted.

Craghyrax
I just saw 'Going Short' at the ADC (late show) and it was really good! (About investment banking)

Cool - I might go on Saturday. :smile:

Craghyrax
You can't really guess how well you're likely to do. A friend of mine was really stressed in first year medicine and thought she was really struggling, and she got a first.

I think you can guess to some extent. In statistical terminology, I would say that the probability of achieving a grade given that you think you will is greater than the unconditional probability of achieving the grade. (Yes, you can tell what work I've been doing tonight. :p:)

Right, off to bed as I actually have a 9am lecture tomorrow (moved from 12pm today unfortunately :frown:). :goodnight:
Craghyrax
I remember she did alot of work at the holidays. She had to earn money and study to keep up, so she practically never had holidays :s-smilie: She actually did undergrad medicine at Newhall and graduated summer before I started :pinch: I knew her because she was in my church at home, and she had very little time for social stuff when she was on holiday. She's at Magdalen, Oxford now.

Yeah that's similar to what my plans are for this Christmas. I have a job waiting for me each Christmas when I go home, in the GAME store I used to work in. I will work about 30hours per week, then do all my revision outside of that to catch up on anatomy and try to learn it all to make next term better. I will then try and fit in some spare time to do other things... :frown:

Summer isn't going to be much better. I will be working a 40hour research job for my local university, which helps my medical CV as well as earns money for the following year. Maybe I will get on a holiday this year :frown:
BigFudamental
Yea you want to be developing your MTAS application form BSing skills as much as your medical knowledge :p: . From what I hear though even though it's technically against the rules having a brand uni is still an advantage for medicine, especially if you apply for the deanery that you studied in (I can't remember if you state your university on the form or not, but even if you don't it's pretty easy to include when you describe your ECs and achievements).

Hmmm the MTAS form is annoying me that much already that the name wont help that I am considering applying for a foundation job in the Republic (of Ireland).They will be able to see I went to Cambridge (preferential treatment ftw :p: ) and they also have really good job opportunities and good pay as well. Plus I wouldn't mind moving back to Ireland again :yep:
alex_hk90

I've only got 1.5 assignments left, and should be done by Monday. :woo: Also, I'll be out on Tuesday. :smile:

Good stuff. Will you keep an eye out for me, as based on my plans I probably won't be able to recognise you. I have a free morning the next day. Also even if my plans dont happen I am awful at spotting and recognising people :frown: I will have a look round your corner sure
Reply 7739
It could be lupus
Yeah that's similar to what my plans are for this Christmas. I have a job waiting for me each Christmas when I go home, in the GAME store I used to work in. I will work about 30hours per week, then do all my revision outside of that to catch up on anatomy and try to learn it all to make next term better. I will then try and fit in some spare time to do other things... :frown:

Summer isn't going to be much better. I will be working a 40hour research job for my local university, which helps my medical CV as well as earns money for the following year. Maybe I will get on a holiday this year :frown:

No way. My holidays are sacred. I suppose it helps that I knew all along that I wanted to enter academia, so don't have to bother with work experience and crap. And I get full bursary, so no need for money at present. In fact I'm saving alot of it to fund the MPhil. I do tend to work in holidays, but not nearly as much as I should/could :biggrin:
I think this Christmas will be different though.

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