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Reply 1460
*doesn't get the whole camchat/freshers thing*

Does anyone else ever wonder if it was actually worthwhile going to cambridge?
Because lately, I've been thinking I should have just gone elsewhere. Seems that I would have made myself much more attractive in the job market by doing so. I decided this whilst waiting an hour for a taxi in belfast and receiving 'job' rejections as well as abuse from a doorman called Davey, who decided that I wasn't good enough to work in an office. Sigh.

One day, I'm gonna post happy things in here.
Reply 1461
mwiko
*doesn't get the whole camchat/freshers thing*

Does anyone else ever wonder if it was actually worthwhile going to cambridge?
Because lately, I've been thinking I should have just gone elsewhere. Seems that I would have made myself much more attractive in the job market by doing so. I decided this whilst waiting an hour for a taxi in belfast and receiving 'job' rejections as well as abuse from a doorman called Davey, who decided that I wasn't good enough to work in an office. Sigh.

One day, I'm gonna post happy things in here.


Sometimes I feel that from the level of work my friends seem to get, and just the killing amoun we get, but I don't know, maybe it'll be worth it in the end.
Reply 1462
Mm. I think my major mistake was getting a 2.ii. Condemned to hell now. Regardless of whether I actually know more than is needed to get a 2.i from another university. Everything lost in those 15 hours of exams...wahey. Worst part is, I know it's all my own fault and that I shouldn't moan..
Reply 1463
mwiko
*doesn't get the whole camchat/freshers thing*

Does anyone else ever wonder if it was actually worthwhile going to cambridge?
Because lately, I've been thinking I should have just gone elsewhere. Seems that I would have made myself much more attractive in the job market by doing so. I decided this whilst waiting an hour for a taxi in belfast and receiving 'job' rejections as well as abuse from a doorman called Davey, who decided that I wasn't good enough to work in an office. Sigh.

One day, I'm gonna post happy things in here.

:hugs: ...I know how you feel. I've just had a barrage of rejections too.

I thought getting a 2.1 would set me up fine, but seemingly not. I'm also left thinking I should have went somewhere else - so many of my friends have done so much less work at other unis, but still seem comparable in the job market. It seems loads of law firms are going on and on about how Oxbridge means nothing. Whilst I appreciate that we shouldn't receive any unfair advantage, it still pisses me off that someone with a 2.1 from Man Met could be chosen over me because, in the words of one grad recruitment manager who e-mailed me, "it's only the grade that matters". Ah well.
Reply 1464
Likewise, I'm finding it decidedly less than pleasant hunting for jobs, and, particularly with a year and an MSc now separating me from Cambridge, haven't seen much evidence that the Cambridge brand name on my CV has been making a huge impact. But Cambridge was still a pleasure in many ways to study at, so I could hardly wish I hadn't gone there. And anyway the difficulties finding a job are more to do with the lack of graduate positions in the area I want to work than anything - it's hard even finding a good number of posts to apply to, let alone get accepted.

Though, having said that, for the only decent job so far for which I've been offered an interview, I have had the impression that the word 'Cambridge' was what got them to at least look seriously at my CV (as it was one of the first things mentioned when they called me about the application, and was repeated when they said that since I'm so far from London they'd shortlist me without the initial interview and just make me come up for the final one), so I guess it's helped a bit in this case at least.
jcb914
:hugs: ...I know how you feel. I've just had a barrage of rejections too.

I thought getting a 2.1 would set me up fine, but seemingly not. I'm also left thinking I should have went somewhere else - so many of my friends have done so much less work at other unis, but still seem comparable in the job market. It seems loads of law firms are going on and on about how Oxbridge means nothing. Whilst I appreciate that we shouldn't receive any unfair advantage, it still pisses me off that someone with a 2.1 from Man Met could be chosen over me because, in the words of one grad recruitment manager who e-mailed me, "it's only the grade that matters". Ah well.


Why is the law dept so particularly stingy with grades? I was looking on Camdata, and Law has the lowest proportion of firsts of any arts subjects, possibly of all subjects (I didn't check all of them), and a realy really high proportion of 2.2 and below as well.
Reply 1466
Welcome to Law TWW.

I feel better now... well, not better, just less alone :smile:
mwiko
Does anyone else ever wonder if it was actually worthwhile going to cambridge?

Yeah, at times I have wondered if I should have just gone to LSE/Warwick/Southampton and just dossed my way to a 1st. :sadnod:
Reply 1468
alex_hk90
Yeah, at times I have wondered if I should have just gone to LSE/Warwick/Southampton and just dossed my way to a 1st. :sadnod:


I don't know how much consolation this will be but if you're entering academia Cambridge degrees seem to be viewed more favourably than others, in economics at least. I.e. It'll be easier for you to get onto the Masters' programmes at Ox & Cam than for others. They lowered the requirement at Cam to a 2.1 because they found people with firsts from other unis were at a similar or even lower standard than a 2.1 from Cambridge.
I think the fact that I am willing to lie on my CV is really going to help me when it comes to employment. I guess I owe Cambridge, seeing as it has taught me exemplary skills of persuasion.
Apagg
I don't know how much consolation this will be but if you're entering academia Cambridge degrees seem to be viewed more favourably than others, in economics at least. I.e. It'll be easier for you to get onto the Masters' programmes at Ox & Cam than for others. They lowered the requirement at Cam to a 2.1 because they found people with firsts from other unis were at a similar or even lower standard than a 2.1 from Cambridge.

I wasn't planning to enter academia, but thanks anyway; I'll keep that in mind.
Also, it's just made me more determined to get a 1st this year. :smile:
Reply 1471
Huh, sorry to here about all the doom and gloom on the job-hunting guys :/ If it's any consolation, I am *finally* back home (London) from a pretty grim 3 weeks living with some frankly unpleasant hippies in rural Germany...

Oh, & hey to the new Freshers knocking around here - if you stick around throughout the year, I'm sure we'll get to know each other sooner or later.
mwiko
*doesn't get the whole camchat/freshers thing*

Does anyone else ever wonder if it was actually worthwhile going to cambridge?
Because lately, I've been thinking I should have just gone elsewhere. Seems that I would have made myself much more attractive in the job market by doing so. I decided this whilst waiting an hour for a taxi in belfast and receiving 'job' rejections as well as abuse from a doorman called Davey, who decided that I wasn't good enough to work in an office. Sigh.

One day, I'm gonna post happy things in here.

If you'll forgive me a somewhat tangential rant: I realise that I'm in the minority here, but I love Cambridge because it challenges and stretches me and because I find the material fascinating, and for no other reason; I'd never want to have gone anywhere else. Job prospects were never even vaguely in the back of my mind (and, worryingly enough, still aren't). Cheesy but true. Had I just wanted a job and not cared about this stuff, I'd have gone to Warwick or Bristol, or another excellent university which is almost as prestigious but where the workload is half the intensity. I don't understand why anyone would put themselves through the pressure of Cambridge otherwise.

Have you graduated now?
generalebriety
If you'll forgive me a somewhat tangential rant: I realise that I'm in the minority here, but I love Cambridge because it challenges and stretches me and because I find the material fascinating, and for no other reason; I'd never want to have gone anywhere else. Job prospects were never even vaguely in the back of my mind (and, worryingly enough, still aren't). Cheesy but true. Had I just wanted a job and not cared about this stuff, I'd have gone to Warwick or Bristol, or another excellent university which is almost as prestigious but where the workload is half the intensity. I don't understand why anyone would put themselves through the pressure of Cambridge otherwise.

Have you graduated now?


I largely agree with you. I am not one of those self-satisfied tools who treat Cambridge as social preparation for the banking industry, however I do seriously respect the concentration of skills and resources available here. Certainly, I rile and complain every moment while I am here (there are many, many things I dislike about the place, not least the people), but if I were anywhere else I would do exactly the same. I need an institution to struggle against, and Cambridge provides that quite fittingly.
Reply 1474
The West Wing
Why is the law dept so particularly stingy with grades? I was looking on Camdata, and Law has the lowest proportion of firsts of any arts subjects, possibly of all subjects (I didn't check all of them), and a realy really high proportion of 2.2 and below as well.

Because alot of the people that run that department aren't very nice? (just going on numerous horror stories from lawyers) :rolleyes:
Tom
But Cambridge was still a pleasure in many ways to study at, so I could hardly wish I hadn't gone there. And anyway the difficulties finding a job are more to do with the lack of graduate positions in the area I want to work than anything - it's hard even finding a good number of posts to apply to, let alone get accepted.
:ditto: The recession isn't helping anyone.

The chance that Cambridge would affect my employability wasn't in any way a part of my decision to come here, so I'm not really fussed.
generalebriety
If you'll forgive me a somewhat tangential rant: I realise that I'm in the minority here, but I love Cambridge because it challenges and stretches me and because I find the material fascinating, and for no other reason; I'd never want to have gone anywhere else. Job prospects were never even vaguely in the back of my mind (and, worryingly enough, still aren't). Cheesy but true. Had I just wanted a job and not cared about this stuff, I'd have gone to Warwick or Bristol, or another excellent university which is almost as prestigious but where the workload is half the intensity. I don't understand why anyone would put themselves through the pressure of Cambridge otherwise.
This
generalebriety
Have you graduated now?
I thought she was in our year :confused:
Reply 1475
generalebriety
If you'll forgive me a somewhat tangential rant: I realise that I'm in the minority here, but I love Cambridge because it challenges and stretches me and because I find the material fascinating, and for no other reason; I'd never want to have gone anywhere else. Job prospects were never even vaguely in the back of my mind (and, worryingly enough, still aren't). Cheesy but true. Had I just wanted a job and not cared about this stuff, I'd have gone to Warwick or Bristol, or another excellent university which is almost as prestigious but where the workload is half the intensity. I don't understand why anyone would put themselves through the pressure of Cambridge otherwise.

Have you graduated now?


I think this holds true for lots of people who complain about the inconsistency of degrees between universities. It's something to complain about but I suspect that for the majority, if they were to do it all again, Cambridge would remain the firm choice. It's understandable though that people like Mwiko who are unable to find employment because of the situation should be more resentful.There's a difference between not minding about employment prospects and not minding whether you ever get a job in the field that interests you most.
Reply 1476
Catsmeat
I largely agree with you. I am not one of those self-satisfied tools who treat Cambridge as social preparation for the banking industry, however I do seriously respect the concentration of skills and resources available here. Certainly, I rile and complain every moment while I am here (there are many, many things I dislike about the place, not least the people), but if I were anywhere else I would do exactly the same. I need an institution to struggle against, and Cambridge provides that quite fittingly.


Cambridge really, genuinely does contain some of the very worst people in Britain, in an extremely high concentration. It's frightening. And I don't just mean the future investment bankers either-scum though they are. People hoping to go into political or development work of any kind are easily as bad, if not worse; at least the bankers have no illusions as to the fact that they are worthless automatons.
Reply 1477
jcb914
:hugs: ...I know how you feel. I've just had a barrage of rejections too.

I thought getting a 2.1 would set me up fine, but seemingly not. I'm also left thinking I should have went somewhere else - so many of my friends have done so much less work at other unis, but still seem comparable in the job market. It seems loads of law firms are going on and on about how Oxbridge means nothing. Whilst I appreciate that we shouldn't receive any unfair advantage, it still pisses me off that someone with a 2.1 from Man Met could be chosen over me because, in the words of one grad recruitment manager who e-mailed me, "it's only the grade that matters". Ah well.


If you actually believe that non-top 5 universities are treated equally at city law firms, then you are naiive to the point of childishness, regardless of the inevitable, politically correct lip service paid by useless HR folks. It simply is not the case. Every single person that I personally know with a 2.1 at my college who has wanted to join a magic circle/silver circle/white shoe law firm-and that must be about 40-50-has managed to do it, with the exception of people doing sneered-at degrees like SPS, Art History etc (though saying that, plenty of Land Economists have done it, so who knows?) The problem for you will be a strangling of opportunities at the moment due to obvious economic circumstances, and/or a crap CV/writing style.
Reply 1478
Oo er.. what have I started..
Don't get me wrong, I love cambridge! I like being challenged and stretched and so on and appreciate all the opportunities available [and have tried to take as many of them as possible].. and I never considered career prospects when I applied/accepted. Not one bit.. but as the three years seem to be going past very quickly [Craggy is right, I'm going into 3rd year - law firms recruit 2 years in advance] I've been forced to think about the whole job thing.
And, whilst it would be lovely to live off the satisfaction that I get from being pushed and pulled and torn to shreds at cambridge, it isn't really going to pay off the debt.. especially when I will have to pay another couple of thousand to do a course to qualify as anything useful in the legal sector. Hence why getting a job lined up is kind of necessary.. And that's where all the 'why did I bother' come in.. when I can't even get an invite to an assessment centre.. never mind being given an interview.. I do wonder if 'Cantab', and the extra effort that goes into studying here, holds any weight with the recruiters. I feel especially ashamed when everyone tells me how easily I will land a training contract/pupillage/whatever, going to cambridge and all, and it just isn't true for me [although it seems to be for everyone else in the history of cambridge, ever].

But like I said earlier, I know it's all my own fault. And I'm clearly doing something very wrong.
generalebriety
If you'll forgive me a somewhat tangential rant: I realise that I'm in the minority here, but I love Cambridge because it challenges and stretches me and because I find the material fascinating, and for no other reason; I'd never want to have gone anywhere else. Job prospects were never even vaguely in the back of my mind (and, worryingly enough, still aren't). Cheesy but true. Had I just wanted a job and not cared about this stuff, I'd have gone to Warwick or Bristol, or another excellent university which is almost as prestigious but where the workload is half the intensity. I don't understand why anyone would put themselves through the pressure of Cambridge otherwise.


:ditto: